The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

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SneEyeMitch said:
You're right, that would be the responsible thing to do for people who don't want to have kids. Can't have that.
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Tests don't always detect it before six weeks, either.

SneEyeMitch said:
There are already laws on the book that are enforced if men don't pay up.
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They aren't on the hook for the lawsuits, though.
 
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To all these people being "pro-life" using Margaret Sanger and eugenics as an argument:

Sanger wasn't "pro-eugenics" with abortions as race control. Quite the opposite.

Sanger's birth control movement did have support in black neighborhoods, beginning in the '20s when there were leagues in Harlem started by African-Americans. Sanger also worked closely with NAACP founder W.E.B. DuBois on a "Negro Project," which she viewed as a way to get safe contraception to African-Americans.

In 1946, Sanger wrote about the importance of giving "Negro" parents a choice in how many children they would have.

"The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America," she wrote. "Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

Her attitude toward African-Americans can certainly be viewed as paternalistic, but there is no evidence she subscribed to the more racist ideas of the time or that she coerced black women into using birth control. In fact, for her time, as the Washington Post noted, "she would likely be considered to have advanced views on race relations."
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
There's free speech on this forum, so yeah, you can call me whatever you want
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Cool.
You're a retard. A woman demanding the right to murder her own kids so she can fuck dudes isn't worth any right at all. Let alone one who demands the government pay for it. And a government gladly paying for a whore's wellfare of being a whore is a shit government.
 
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CAPTAIN MATI said:
Cool.
You're a retard. A woman demanding the right to murder her own kids so she can fuck dudes isn't worth any right at all. Let alone one who demands the government pay for it. And a government gladly paying for a whore's wellfare of being a whore is a shit government.
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Nah, women shouldn't be forced to give up her body autonomy just because some low-IQ religious tards like you were brainwashed by evangelical propaganda and think abortion is murder
 
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Nah, women shouldn't be forced to give up her body autonomy just because some low-IQ religious tards like you were brainwashed by evangelical propaganda and think abortion is murder
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Fuck you, ass munching libtard cock sucker lol
Faggots like you is the reason people have to pay troon adjustment tax or live in fear of being canceled as a biggot if they don't comply. low-IQ religious tard. Bitch, look in a mirror.
As for concerning killing babies, nobody is forcing women on anything. If you don't want kids, don't fuck. If you want to fuck that bad, don't fuck reckless. If you do fuck reckless, kill an unborn child to... wait, maybe don't force your mistakes on another human being.
 
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Marshal Mannerheim said:
@The Last Stand
Did Sanger, or did she not, say this?
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Source it for me.

Even so, over the years Sanger’s flirtation with eugenics has provided fodder for attacks from across the political spectrum. As several of her biographers have documented, a number of racist statements have been falsely attributed to Sanger. Herman Cain’s most recent anti-Sanger diatribe is simply the latest in a long string of bogus accusations against her and Planned Parenthood, designed to score political points with the GOP’s base.
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Even so, this proves Tim Scoot wrong. America IS a racist country.
 
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CAPTAIN MATI said:
Fuck you, ass munching libtard cock sucker lol
Faggots like you is the reason people have to pay troon adjustment tax or live in fear of being canceled as a biggot if they don't comply. low-IQ religious tard. Bitch, look in a mirror.
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Lol says the right-wing evangelical retard who got conned by a bunch of boomers to have their political beliefs
CAPTAIN MATI said:
As for concerning killing babies, nobody is forcing women on anything. If you don't want kids, don't fuck. If you want to fuck that bad, don't fuck reckless. If you do fuck reckless, kill an unborn child to... wait, maybe don't force your mistakes on another human being.
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Good thing a fetus isn't a child then, isn't it?
Just because you can't get laid doesn't mean you should punish women who have sex with guys who aren't you.

Overcast said:
Hulk why are you being a simp? No woman’s gonna wanna fuck you just because you’re pro-choice.

And I remember when you used to be cool...
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Lol I have a girlfriend and have for a while. If women lose control of their uterus, then it's not gonna be long until the government tells you that you have to donate blood or organs. This law also says you can sue people when you aren't a victim of a crime... So if people can sue women for getting abortions, it won't be long until people can sue people for owning a gun or not being vaccinated.
 
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Im in favor of liberal abortion laws for two reasons. The first one is pragmatism. It's unreasonable to start a crime investigation every time a woman has a miscarriage. The risk of a false conviction also seems overwhelming. What about women who needs an abortion for life threatening reasons? Will she get the abortion in time if she has to jump through a million legal hoops first?

The second one is utilitarian reasoning. A fetus doesn't suffer from its sudden death (more than perhaps for a minute) Anyone already born will not suffer from fear of being aborted. However a child being born because or rape, incest, or with severe defects cause immense suffering for everyone involved.

The world is a chaotic, fucked up place. Black and white thinking rarely applies very well. That applies both to radical "life begins at conception" pro-lifers and to SJW:s who will seethe if you even consider the moral aspects of abortion.
 
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Marshal Mannerheim said:
@The Last Stand
Did Sanger, or did she not, say this?
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You do know that black leaders like W E B Dubois pushed for eugenics as well? To say that blacks were being duped when the black elite and other leading intellectuals were pushing for eugenics at this point in America would deny blacks their agaency. Anyone who wasn't in the upper class Anglo Protestant mold was threaten with sterilization, even white Irish and Itialian Catholics.


Liberation Eugenics: African Americans and the Science of Black Freedom Struggles | Consortium for History of Science, Technology and Medicine

www.chstm.org www.chstm.org
 
Noir drag freak said:
You do know that black leaders like W E B Dubois pushed for eugenics as well? To say that blacks were being duped when the black elite and other leading intellectuals were pushing for eugenics at this point in America would deny blacks their agaency. Anyone who wasn't in the upper class Anglo Protestant mold was threaten with sterilization, even white Irish and Itialian Catholics.
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Just because some black leaders collaborated with racists doesn't mean that those racists weren't racists.
 
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Lemmingwise said:
On a seperate note, Texas limits abortions, at least for the time being, to at about 6 weeks. Precise cutoff is whether there is a heartbeat or not.

I've already seen the absolute shitshow of media and redditors complaining about this. Abortion isn't even illegal. Is it really that important to wait until the kid is big enough that it has to be cut up and removed body part by body part from the womb?

So women are not "forced" to have kids as people continually claim in this threat. Android can get her abortion if any of her lesbian friends manage to impregnate her.

What's the big deal with getting one early rather than late?
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So to explain why it's kinda a big deal, some background on how periods work is needed. I'm not trying to change your opinion here, I want to give you some insight. So I won't be inputting my personal opinion.

The ban is at 6 weeks. Those 6 weeks start at the beginning of a woman's cycle, which typically is 4 weeks total.
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No cycle is exactly like this. Sometimes it's 26 or 32 days. As you can see, there's a 5 day window to get pregnant, starting around day 10. Again not every cycle is like this - if a woman wants to know exactly when she ovulates she could take pee tests for the LH hormone or check her cervix height. Unless a woman is trying to get pregnant, she's most likely not going to be paying very close attention to her cycle to know when she's ovulating. And if she's trying to get pregnant she's not going to want an abortion.

The big signal of pregnancy is a late period. PMS symptoms are very similar to early pregnancy symptoms, so it's unlikely that a woman will be taking a pregnancy test before she notices her late period. By that time she would be taking a pregnancy test she would be at 4.5-5 weeks. So that's one week to obtain an abortion. Not a lot of time. But let's assume that this woman, who I'll call Stacy, acts swifty as possible.
One issue is that Texas requires a consultation appt and 24hr waiting period between that and the procedure. So Stacy's waiting period is now cut by a day. Another issue is finding a clinic. 96% of Texas counties do not have an abortion clinic and 43% of fertile women live in a county without a clinic. As of 2017 there's 21 clinics for a state that has 14.5 million women (assuming a 50/50 split of 29 million people). It is not unreasonable to assume that it would be hard to get two appointments with a provider in 6 days, and you can prove this yourself by messing around with the appointment scheduler of a Planned Parenthood in Texas. If Stacy wants to get an abortion, she'll probably have to suddenly take a week off work in order to travel to one of the 21 centers in Texas for the procedure. And she has to get it done within a week or less. This all assumes she's got no other obligations that are binding and that she can actually take the time off of work. It's almost logistically impossible to pull this off, so a 6 week limit on abortion is essentially a ban.
 
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