Plagued The Alt-Right

[snailslime]

Pro-White? To keep it as succinct as possible, I define pro-White as a broad political movement that fights for the collective interests of White Americans expressly on racial grounds. I say expressly because everyone else fights for their collective group interests, so why can't White people?

Anti-White? People who act in any capacity to keep White Americans from uniting on collective racial self-interest. It could manifest in anything from professional anti-racists like Jane Elliott or Tim Wise who make money floating narratives hostile to White people to higher institutions that deny White Americans enrollment or even the curricula in the humanities that consider Whiteness to be a problem.

What are these white interests you speak of?
You make it sound like being anti-racist is a bad thing.

You'd be in a better place to condescend if you actually had a point to make.

I do have point. You ignored it.

Have you maybe considered that if everything you want to say gets you called a racist nazi, the problem might actually be you?

This thread really does deserve its "plagued" tag

 

[Section230]

It's a taboo phrase because of its historical connotations. Have you ever read a history book?

I'm not the idiot going around saying the rules are the same for white people and everyone else though. The fact that it's a taboo phrase exactly proves you wrong. Yes, white people very much are discouraged from having an in-group preference. Furthermore, it has worked, because they don't.

 

[snailslime]

I'm not the idiot going around saying the rules are the same for white people and everyone else though.

Why do you think that is?

 

[Section230]

Why do you think that is?

Because you're trying to stir shit up while bored and locked down? How the fuck do I know why you're making untrue claims?

 

[AnOminous]

I live in the real world, not your ideological fantasy land where the power structure actually treats everyone 'equally.' If I call myself pro-white in public, I get called a racist nazi. If I don't want to live in a diverse neighborhood, I'm a racist nazi. If I say I am politically active in favor of white people, even at the expense of other races, I'm a racist nazi.

So just because you say you hate niggers and want everyone who doesn't look like you forcibly removed from where you live, they call you a racist? That must be so very tough and difficult for you.

 

[snailslime]

Because you're trying to stir shit up while bored and locked down? How the fuck do I know why you're making untrue claims?

I never heard any black person irl say "black power".
What "rules" are different for whites, and what makes you think they're different?

 

[Section230]

I never heard any black person irl say "black power".
What "rules" are different for whites, and what makes you think they're different?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Power

Well i mean if you inhabit an entirely different reality from me, no wonder you're having a hard time understanding my point of view. This is my home dimension, I'm not from this place you are where "black power" isn't a popular political thing and "white power" isn't associated with racism.

This style of arguing from a position of "I somehow know literally nothing about the real world" allows you to take some wild positions, but it rarely holds up to scrutiny...

 

[snailslime]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Power

Well i mean if you inhabit an entirely different reality from me, no wonder you're having a hard time understanding my point of view. This is my home dimension, I'm not from this place you are where "black power" isn't a popular political thing and "white power" isn't associated with racism.

Why do you think "white power" is more taboo than "black power"? Please tell me.

This style of arguing from a position of "I somehow know literally nothing about the real world" allows you to take some wild positions, but it rarely holds up to scrutiny...

What world do you think I live in? Narnia?

 

[Section230]

Why do you think "white power" is more taboo than "black power"? Please tell me.

Damn dog, that's a hell of an expansion of your earlier position of "By the way, no one is forbidden from having preferences lol. What world do you live in?"

There's a multitude of reasons, political, historical, cultural. Racial relations and the various issues thereof run very deep and I'm sure I couldn't do them justice in a single post. I do think, however, one is definitely more taboo than the other, in opposition to what you said.

What world do you think I live in? Narnia?

I notice you have a pattern of asking people what world they live in. This combined with your deep misunderstanding of basic human interaction leads me to believe you're an interdimensional interloper. Get the fuck out of here and get back to your own dimension with its racial harmony, weirdo. We've got messy complicated history here.

 

[snailslime]

Damn dog, that's a hell of an expansion of your earlier position of "By the way, no one is forbidden from having preferences lol. What world do you live in?"

How so?

There's a multitude of reasons, political, historical, cultural. Racial relations and the various issues thereof run very deep and I'm sure I couldn't do them justice in a single post. I do think, however, one is definitely more taboo than the other, in opposition to what you said.

Can you elaborate on why that is? You keep dodging the question.

I notice you have a pattern of asking people what world they live in. This combined with your deep misunderstanding of basic human interaction leads me to believe you're an interdimensional interloper.

Well that's an interesting take.

Get the fuck out of here and get back to your own dimension with its racial harmony, weirdo. We've got messy complicated history here.

You don't want to live in harmony with other people?

 

[AnOminous]

Lol you are arguing with a sped. You are a sped yourself!

 

[Gingervitis]

Lol you are arguing with a sped. You are a sped yourself!

If we're watching speds argue instead of doing something productive with our spare time, does that make us speds too?

 

[Section230]

Lol you are arguing with a sped. You are a sped yourself!

We all speds here homie. Josh got the lolcows to come to him.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

I never heard any black person irl say "black power".
What "rules" are different for whites, and what makes you think they're different?

I have; I've also seen the Black Israelis, never been harassed by them, at least not directly.

There's a difference between "black power" and "white power," Black Americans being historically oppressed (to a good extent, still are) in America. In general, the White Anglo Saxon Protestant is (or was) supposed to be the "default" American. You can bring up 13/50 all you want, but there are specific reasons why Black Power came up and uses pictures of Malcolm X and MLK Jr, and why White Power usually uses pictures of Adolf Hitler and the swastika.

 

[Fake News Anchor]

Most white people know their ancestry because they weren't just thrown on ships and sent over here as slaves.

"White" is a broad category anyway, I don't know why you call yourself white and not your specific ethnicity. Black people accept blacks with non-black blood as black, but you probably wouldn't accept a 1/4 asian/black/mena person as white. "White" seems to be a very exclusive category.

Note, I'm not a White Nationalist but this really is a point that I think deserves proper consideration.

Irish Americans aren't scapegoated for black people's problem as Irish Americans, but they are as White Americans. Same with every other group categorized as White. It's a category we fall into because that's how others treat us and how institutions classify us for purposes of discrimination. Notice that diversity quotas don't consider a difference between Irish, Italian, French, and Russian - a workplace is 70% Russian and French, adding any more Irish and Italian would make it 'less diverse' according to the bureaucrats because they are all White. Ultimately, all categories of White, at least in places like America, Canada, and Australia, are in the same boat - we are targeted together, we share more in common with our groups than with Nonwhite groups, and the only people that don't stand benefit from fucking us over on the basis of race are other White groups.

As much as we may have our own cultural and racial heritages, Whiteness is a more impactful to how we are allowed to behave and how others are allowed to behave towards us in America. This might not be true of close knit communities of White subgroups like in Little Italy or some Irish neighborhood in Phili, but for the White man living in a standard metropolitan area or even a small town - anything more specific than "White" is just novelty, something to but in your bio on Facebook or to grill some Brats during Oktoberfest and cheer for England during the World Cup.

Respectfully, I think a lot of people don't understand the idea of "White Identity" because they think it develops solely out of Whites self identifying that way out of boredom and wanting some extreme position to fill the void. Sure, you get those idiots, but a lot of Whites that identify with each other do so just as a matter of seeing how the board is set up and realizing that even if they don't ideally want to be on "Team White" the other players won't afford them that luxury of choice. Sorry for the word walls.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Note, I'm not a White Nationalist but this really is a point that I think deserves proper consideration.

Irish Americans aren't scapegoated for black people's problem as Irish Americans, but they are as White Americans. Same with every other group categorized as White. It's a category we fall into because that's how others treat us and how institutions classify us for purposes of discrimination. Notice that diversity quotas don't consider a difference between Irish, Italian, French, and Russian - a workplace is 70% Russian and French, adding any more Irish and Italian would make it 'less diverse' according to the bureaucrats because they are all White. Ultimately, all categories of White, at least in places like America, Canada, and Australia, are in the same boat - we are targeted together, we share more in common with our groups than with Nonwhite groups, and the only people that don't stand benefit from fucking us over on the basis of race are other White groups.

As much as we may have our own cultural and racial heritages, Whiteness is a more impactful to how we are allowed to behave and how others are allowed to behave towards us in America. This might not be true of close knit communities of White subgroups like in Little Italy or some Irish neighborhood in Phili, but for the White man living in a standard metropolitan area or even a small town - anything more specific than "White" is just novelty, something to but in your bio on Facebook or to grill some Brats during Oktoberfest and cheer for England during the World Cup.

Respectfully, I think a lot of people don't understand the idea of "White Identity" because they think it develops solely out of Whites self identifying that way out of boredom and wanting some extreme position to fill the void. Sure, you get those idiots, but a lot of Whites that identify with each other do so just as a matter of seeing how the board is set up and realizing that even if they don't ideally want to be on "Team White" the other players won't afford them that luxury of choice. Sorry for the word walls.

This sounds nice until most of the self-appointed "captains" of Team White stop talking about doing things to build up a functional community and start talking about how non-Whites and Whites aren't compatible, and then weasel words like "physically remove" or "by any means necessary" come out to play.
Many identitarian movements, when you get down to it, aren't "pro-our race"; they're "anti-other races".

 

[Fake News Anchor]

This sounds nice until most of the self-appointed "captains" of Team White stop talking about doing things to build up a functional community and start talking about how non-Whites and Whites aren't compatible, and then weasel words like "physically remove" or "by any means necessary" come out to play.
Many identitarian movements, when you get down to it, aren't "pro-our race"; they're "anti-other races".

I think the reason why many Whites look to the more extreme speakers and activists as leaders is less due to them being particularly reliable and more due to the complete lack of reliability of the less extreme figures.

Spoiler: Walls of text

Jeb Bush may happily say that the USA is a country for all races, and that Whites ought not be treated any differently to anyone else, but would any of us expect him to actually fight for that? If, for example, he had been elected president I don't think anyone would be surprised at him endlessly saying these things while making concession after concession to antiwhite leftists. Even with Trump, what has he done to fight back against practices that explicitly disadvantage Whites? When does he directly address issues negatively effecting Whites? He enacts sweeping prison reforms while flaunting it as being for Black people, he specifically attempts to draw in Black business owners and Black social activists as advisors for his policies, all during a time when Whites are already demonized and scapegoated at every turn.

It seems every time racially concerned Whites put their faith and support behind people that aren't explicitly Prowhite, all they get in return is complete inaction pertaining to their issues while the person they backed not only does nothing to overturn harmful policies but also support even more. Why support someone who preaches no ill will against Whites and who supposedly doesn't want any different treatment for Nonwhites, if every time they show themselves to join lock step with Antiwhite efforts as soon as they no longer need their original supporters? The Alt Light, Neo Conservatives, Libertarians, and "Moderate" Democrats will happily play on reaction to Antiwhite sentiments as a means to gain influence, money, and power - but do they ever make more than token gestures at fighting against these trends? Virtually always the answer is no.

So after being burned by these supposed sensible alternatives to the evil racist White Supremacists, why wouldn't people think that the only figures that won't cuck to the leftist agendas are the ones that are explicitly Prowhite? People like Spencer, Enoch, and Fuentes are undoubtedly Antinonwhite - which someone who isn't would be turned off by if the so called sensible alternatives haven't proven themselves again and again to be totally irreverent to issues that concern Whites. It's only when there is no believable alternative that these figures suddenly become so attractive to Whites that otherwise wouldn't give them the time of day. After all, why would I give a shit about some White Supremacist government fucking over black people if the only alternatives are Antiwhite governments that fuck over whites?

TLDR: Whites have been fucked over too many times by supposedly sensible alternatives to White Supremacists to continue to believe that anyone who isn't explicitly Prowhite could stop themselves from cucking to Antiwhite agendas.

The more locked out of public spaces and prominence people become based on the stigma of 'racism' for being concerned by Antiwhite sentiments, the more extreme they will get and the more they will feel the only solution is one that goes drastically in the opposite direction.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

I think the reason why many Whites look to the more extreme speakers and activists as leaders is less due to them being particularly reliable and more due to the complete lack of reliability of the less extreme figures.

Spoiler: Walls of text

Jeb Bush may happily say that the USA is a country for all races, and that Whites ought not be treated any differently to anyone else, but would any of us expect him to actually fight for that? If, for example, he had been elected president I don't think anyone would be surprised at him endlessly saying these things while making concession after concession to antiwhite leftists. Even with Trump, what has he done to fight back against practices that explicitly disadvantage Whites? When does he directly address issues negatively effecting Whites? He enacts sweeping prison reforms while flaunting it as being for Black people, he specifically attempts to draw in Black business owners and Black social activists as advisors for his policies, all during a time when Whites are already demonized and scapegoated at every turn.

It seems every time racially concerned Whites put their faith and support behind people that aren't explicitly Prowhite, all they get in return is complete inaction pertaining to their issues while the person they backed not only does nothing to overturn harmful policies but also support even more. Why support someone who preaches no ill will against Whites and who supposedly doesn't want any different treatment for Nonwhites, if every time they show themselves to join lock step with Antiwhite efforts as soon as they no longer need their original supporters? The Alt Light, Neo Conservatives, Libertarians, and "Moderate" Democrats will happily play on reaction to Antiwhite sentiments as a means to gain influence, money, and power - but do they ever make more than token gestures at fighting against these trends? Virtually always the answer is no.

So after being burned by these supposed sensible alternatives to the evil racist White Supremacists, why wouldn't people think that the only figures that won't cuck to the leftist agendas are the ones that are explicitly Prowhite? People like Spencer, Enoch, and Fuentes are undoubtedly Antinonwhite - which someone who isn't would be turned off by if the so called sensible alternatives haven't proven themselves again and again to be totally irreverent to issues that concern Whites. It's only when there is no believable alternative that these figures suddenly become so attractive to Whites that otherwise wouldn't give them the time of day. After all, why would I give a shit about some White Supremacist government fucking over black people if the only alternatives are Antiwhite governments that fuck over whites?

TLDR: Whites have been fucked over too many times by supposedly sensible alternatives to White Supremacists to continue to believe that anyone who isn't explicitly Prowhite could stop themselves from cucking to Antiwhite agendas.

The more locked out of public spaces and prominence people become based on the stigma of 'racism' for being concerned by Antiwhite sentiments, the more extreme they will get and the more they will feel the only solution is one that goes drastically in the opposite direction.

You might be surprised by this but Trump is the President of the USA, and that means everyone in the country. The USA is mocked worldwide for our high prison population and a lot of Black people, despite being high T and violent, get treated differently by the police and the prison system simply because of being Black. Also, Spencer and Enoch are metaphorical faggots (as was Jeb!) and Fuentes is a literal one. The best way to get people out of generational poverty is to encourage small businesses, and Whites as a whole don't have it like Black Americans have. (This is where I note that Asian Americans, specifically the "Boat People," were able to elevate themselves so quickly after the VIet Nam War, but that has to do with STRONG family and communities, as well as compensation in the form of small business loans from the American federal govt).

Those who talk about Affirmative Action and college admissions being anti-White are right to an extent. Those who say HITLER DINDU NUFFIN NO HOLOCAUST LOOK AT ALL THESE JEWS WHO KILLED CHRISTIANS IN THE HOLODOMOR deserve to be mocked relentlessly and anyone who flocks to the flag of the National Socialists, the big LOSERS of history, show their inferiority and idiocy. Most people in the USA who flock to the swastika are people who would have been liquidated by the National Socialist regime in Germany anyway, same with actual Communists who jerk themselves raw about how BASED Stalin was.

 

[RichardMongler]

People like Spencer, Enoch, and Fuentes are undoubtedly Antinonwhite

Of TRS's Death Panel, Mike Enoch is definitely the most even-tempered of them all. The dude is thoroughly antisemitic (or countersemitic, as he likes to call himself), but he isn't categorically hostile towards non-whites. I recall on one episode where the three guys recounted a story of a Black woman killed by her boyfriend who had previously been arrested for domestic violence and subsequently had gone through the social services that deal with these problems. Sven found it hilarious, but Mike thought it tragic and was at odds with his co-host. To him, the woman's demise at the hands of her boyfriend was reminiscent of the movie Precious but with a decidedly grim ending. Moreover, it was the tragedy of a woman who clearly had faith in a social rehabilitation system that ultimately failed her.

 

[Shield Breaker]

fights for the collective interests of White Americans expressly on racial grounds

Anyone of any color who fights for 'collective interests expressly on racial grounds' is a fucking rețard. New Black Panthers are rețards, La Raza are rețards, alt-right are rețards. They are all a bunch of losers who want to blame the Others for them being complete and utter failures as human beings.

I honestly think the alt-Right are the worst, because you have to have seen how disgusted normal people are with all of this oppression bullshit. Yet, you guys still decided to go for it. It's chasing a trend after it is already out of style. Most people don't hate you because you're white, they hate you because you're so damn pathetic.