Plagued The Alt-Right

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I think the reason why many Whites look to the more extreme speakers and activists as leaders is less due to them being particularly reliable and more due to the complete lack of reliability of the less extreme figures.

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Jeb Bush may happily say that the USA is a country for all races, and that Whites ought not be treated any differently to anyone else, but would any of us expect him to actually fight for that? If, for example, he had been elected president I don't think anyone would be surprised at him endlessly saying these things while making concession after concession to antiwhite leftists. Even with Trump, what has he done to fight back against practices that explicitly disadvantage Whites? When does he directly address issues negatively effecting Whites? He enacts sweeping prison reforms while flaunting it as being for Black people, he specifically attempts to draw in Black business owners and Black social activists as advisors for his policies, all during a time when Whites are already demonized and scapegoated at every turn.

It seems every time racially concerned Whites put their faith and support behind people that aren't explicitly Prowhite, all they get in return is complete inaction pertaining to their issues while the person they backed not only does nothing to overturn harmful policies but also support even more. Why support someone who preaches no ill will against Whites and who supposedly doesn't want any different treatment for Nonwhites, if every time they show themselves to join lock step with Antiwhite efforts as soon as they no longer need their original supporters? The Alt Light, Neo Conservatives, Libertarians, and "Moderate" Democrats will happily play on reaction to Antiwhite sentiments as a means to gain influence, money, and power - but do they ever make more than token gestures at fighting against these trends? Virtually always the answer is no.

So after being burned by these supposed sensible alternatives to the evil racist White Supremacists, why wouldn't people think that the only figures that won't cuck to the leftist agendas are the ones that are explicitly Prowhite? People like Spencer, Enoch, and Fuentes are undoubtedly Antinonwhite - which someone who isn't would be turned off by if the so called sensible alternatives haven't proven themselves again and again to be totally irreverent to issues that concern Whites. It's only when there is no believable alternative that these figures suddenly become so attractive to Whites that otherwise wouldn't give them the time of day. After all, why would I give a shit about some White Supremacist government fucking over black people if the only alternatives are Antiwhite governments that fuck over whites?

TLDR: Whites have been fucked over too many times by supposedly sensible alternatives to White Supremacists to continue to believe that anyone who isn't explicitly Prowhite could stop themselves from cucking to Antiwhite agendas.

The more locked out of public spaces and prominence people become based on the stigma of 'racism' for being concerned by Antiwhite sentiments, the more extreme they will get and the more they will feel the only solution is one that goes drastically in the opposite direction.

I'm a white and, bluntly, you don't speak for everyone. You can be pro-White without being anti-every other race, as Richardmongler points out (you can also be pro-White without being anti-Semitic, regardless of what conspiracy theorists hold). Not to mention that the shit most so-called "openly pro-White" people push for (segregation, curtailing the rights of minorities, genocide, etc.) go directly against the interests of White americans, even putting aside the thorny questions of "how much non-white blood is too much for the ethnostate?" and "Can I really convince the average White person to cosign on rounding up their neighbor Travis Freedman and shipping him to the reservation/death camp/Africa?"
Race riots/war aren't in the interest of any ethnic group, but especially not white people, who, frankly, have the most to lose in those situations. The goal seems to be "blow up the stability whites have now in the hopes that maybe whites in America can make time wind backwards and defeat the whole world in arms"- this is not the mindset of even a remotely rational person, and certainly not a person who can make any meaningful political change.
I would also be interested in you elaborating on what you see as "anti-white trends" and what a politician could do for you to be satisfied that he is "combating them". What does "pro-White" policy look like to you?

 

[Fake News Anchor]

I'm a white and, bluntly, you don't speak for everyone. You can be pro-White without being anti-every other race, as Richardmongler points out (you can also be pro-White without being anti-Semitic, regardless of what conspiracy theorists hold). Not to mention that the shit most so-called "openly pro-White" people push for (segregation, curtailing the rights of minorities, genocide, etc.) go directly against the interests of White americans, even putting aside the thorny questions of "how much non-white blood is too much for the ethnostate?" and "Can I really convince the average White person to cosign on rounding up their neighbor Travis Freedman and shipping him to the reservation/death camp/Africa?"
Race riots/war aren't in the interest of any ethnic group, but especially not white people, who, frankly, have the most to lose in those situations. The goal seems to be "blow up the stability whites have now in the hopes that maybe whites in America can make time wind backwards and defeat the whole world in arms"- this is not the mindset of even a remotely rational person, and certainly not a person who can make any meaningful political change.
I would also be interested in you elaborating on what you see as "anti-white trends" and what a politician could do for you to be satisfied that he is "combating them". What does "pro-White" policy look like to you?

-"I'm a white and, bluntly, you don't speak for everyone."

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Definitely, I don't think I claimed to. Many Whites =/= all Whites. When I talk about Whites getting upset that X or Y, I am referring to those who do and obviously not to those that don't. If someone asks a question about why Whites do something, say not all white people do that isn't answering the question, so when the conversation leads to someone asking such a question, I'm going to be speaking primarily about the Whites that engage in the behavior being asked about.

-"You can be pro-White without being anti-every other race, as Richardmongler points out"

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I agree now and also affirmed that in my post you were quoted. The issue isn't whether your being Prowhite also extends into being Antieveryoneelse, the point I was making is that even if you aren't Antiwhatever you may still be supportive of someone who is because after being routinely betrayed by more moderate figures that claim to be Prowhite without being Antiwhatever, because at least with the more extreme guys you know that their Prowhiteness isn't something to compromise on. I'm more in line with Trump's original platform on social issues than with any Altright figurehead, but Trump and guys like him will always throw White interests under the bus and encourage greater distrust and abuse of Whites by not challenging Antiwhite efforts. Hence why some Whites care less about backing someone who won't hurt those poor blacks than they do about ensuring they can trust their guy to actually push for Whites.

-Everything you said about WN's policies and efforts being contrary to White Interests.

Spoiler: Walls of text

Not interested in ethnostate, death camps, racial quotas, or any of that literal Nazi stuff and I wouldn't argue for it, not that I think that some wackoworld in which Enoch were president would involve death camps and neoimperialism. What I do find interesting is that you seem to think the average White will be more concerned with what negativity will befall their nonwhite neighbors under a WN government than with what would befall Whites if current trends keep up. Yes, most Whites today don't see this as a demographic war or whatever, but we were close to seeing such a shift in thinking in 2015-2017 when nonwhites almost unanimously stepped up to declare their hatred of Whites and White America. When Trump got elected it took a lot of confidence away from such groups, which is why they put their masks back on, all of a sudden they stop calling for Whites to be segregated on college campuses and now start insisting that they really love all people and Trump is the one making things racial. They'll keep this up until they think they can drop the act again, and suddenly Joe Quincy doesn't give much concern to Jamal's well being when Jamal just set fire to his house in yet another peaceful protest.

There's this misconception that Whites can appease the left, newsflash you can't. You're a Nazi if you don't do A, so you give them A but now B is the new goalpost so you run through the entire alphabet for them, but at everystep they riot and kill cops and assault whites in the streets and say you're a White Supremacist for not getting to Z fast enough. But Z isn't equality, H was equality, I was racial quotas, J was segregated campuses, K was White tax dollar funded reparations, and by the time you get to Z you'll be wondering why you can't do or say anything because you've been disenfranchised and made a separate class of people officially recognized as inferior. Yes, Blacks will riot if you decide to stop at H, they'll riot if you go from H back to G, but they'll riot even if you give them everything until you're in chains. The idea that Black violence only exists in conditions of Black oppression is laughable, none of the Blacks rioting throughout Europe except maybe Italy are at all disadvantaged by the system, but they know it will make Whites give them more free shit and more of their country away. Instability and damage caused by Blacks throwing molotovs it on the charge of Blacks who will never be satisfied, not on the White guy whose house they burned down.

-"I would also be interested in you elaborating on what you see as "anti-white trends" and what a politician could do for you to be satisfied that he is "combating them". What does "pro-White" policy look like to you?"

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Antiwhite trends would be institutional discrimination where it is made official policy to preference serving, hiring, and promoting Nonwhites on race alone, which is down throughout every major field of work, most academic institutions, and in government bureaucracy. It would also be the media at every turn explicitly scapegoating Whites for anything bad that happens to nonwhites while ignoring, denying, or justifying anything bad that happens to Whites - if you know exactly how 90% of media outlets will treat a story based on the races involved then it's not a trend or a coincidence it's an agenda. When the curriculum in public schools and colleges funded in part by public tax dollars is explicitly Antiwhite and directly encourages the disenfranchisement of Whites, claim Whites are culturally and morally inferior inherently, all the while making it punishable by expulsion / termination for anyone to voice such views about Nonwhites it is a clear indication not only that our institutions are already Antiwhite but also that they are trying to shape a future in which Whites are even more hated and scapegoated. When the police are told to stand down at Black riots because it's Jamal's constitutional right to torch a cop car, but the police will be told to clear out a lawful peaceful event organized by Prowhite speakers because the police who should have been protecting the event instead let leftist terrorists run wild and attack the attendees, but then as soon as those evil Prowhite activists are gone the police stand down to let the leftists continue to riot and assault the attendees as they leave - this all seems like a way in which the Antiwhite sentiment built up for years and encouraged by the Media, Academia, and Government is beginning to be weaponized to actually repress and oppress Whites.

These would be some of the "anti-white trends".
Combating them would involve more or less the following:

Spoiler: Wall of text

Setting the same restrictions applied to Antiwhatever ideas to Antiwhite ideas and to treat them as hatespeech to be effectively banned and extricated from our Government, Academic, and Media institutions, while ending the double standard by which it is considered unconstitutional to select Whites over Nonwhites (but not the other way around) for jobs, college admissions, and access to benefits such as scholarships are government programs aiming to benefit communities of specific racial makeup. It would involve multifaceted efforts more complex than what I could write about because I am neither a lawyer nor a legislation drafter, but even if the minutia of the proper legislation and legal battles is way too much for me to fully understand, to even have public figures openly speak about these problems is the first step. Enoch doesn't know what sorts of legal precedents would have to be overturned to end racial quotas at workplaces? Fine, but raising awareness and opposition to this behavior is the first step in creating a social movement capable of pressuring lawmakers and courts into changing things. But what do we get from politicians? Either a complete denial of the validity of these concerns or an admission that these trends are unfortunate and probably should be stopped, but even when they have the clout and authority to push for change they do nothing. Ben Shapiro will criticize affirmative action when a popular story makes its way to his Twitter feed, but do these people ever file lawsuits with all their millions to overturn said policies? Do these politicians bring legislation to the House floor that outlaws it? Does Fox News ever do more than gawk? No.

And yes, I know these are not primary concerns of most Whites, I and others like me are in the minority, but this is because the left lost in 2016 and the pressure was off Whites. When Whites are the minority and Antiwhite sentiment is codified at every level and the momentum swings back towards our complete subjugation, you'll see a much greater proportion of Whites concerned over the hatred and discrimination leveled against them.

 

[Shield Breaker]

-"I'm a white and, bluntly, you don't speak for everyone."

Spoiler: Wall of text

Definitely, I don't think I claimed to. Many Whites =/= all Whites. When I talk about Whites getting upset that X or Y, I am referring to those who do and obviously not to those that don't. If someone asks a question about why Whites do something, say not all white people do that isn't answering the question, so when the conversation leads to someone asking such a question, I'm going to be speaking primarily about the Whites that engage in the behavior being asked about.

-"You can be pro-White without being anti-every other race, as Richardmongler points out"

Spoiler: Wall of text

I agree now and also affirmed that in my post you were quoted. The issue isn't whether your being Prowhite also extends into being Antieveryoneelse, the point I was making is that even if you aren't Antiwhatever you may still be supportive of someone who is because after being routinely betrayed by more moderate figures that claim to be Prowhite without being Antiwhatever, because at least with the more extreme guys you know that their Prowhiteness isn't something to compromise on. I'm more in line with Trump's original platform on social issues than with any Altright figurehead, but Trump and guys like him will always throw White interests under the bus and encourage greater distrust and abuse of Whites by not challenging Antiwhite efforts. Hence why some Whites care less about backing someone who won't hurt those poor blacks than they do about ensuring they can trust their guy to actually push for Whites.

-Everything you said about WN's policies and efforts being contrary to White Interests.

Spoiler: Walls of text

Not interested in ethnostate, death camps, racial quotas, or any of that literal Nazi stuff and I wouldn't argue for it, not that I think that some wackoworld in which Enoch were president would involve death camps and neoimperialism. What I do find interesting is that you seem to think the average White will be more concerned with what negativity will befall their nonwhite neighbors under a WN government than with what would befall Whites if current trends keep up. Yes, most Whites today don't see this as a demographic war or whatever, but we were close to seeing such a shift in thinking in 2015-2017 when nonwhites almost unanimously stepped up to declare their hatred of Whites and White America. When Trump got elected it took a lot of confidence away from such groups, which is why they put their masks back on, all of a sudden they stop calling for Whites to be segregated on college campuses and now start insisting that they really love all people and Trump is the one making things racial. They'll keep this up until they think they can drop the act again, and suddenly Joe Quincy doesn't give much concern to Jamal's well being when Jamal just set fire to his house in yet another peaceful protest.

There's this misconception that Whites can appease the left, newsflash you can't. You're a Nazi if you don't do A, so you give them A but now B is the new goalpost so you run through the entire alphabet for them, but at everystep they riot and kill cops and assault whites in the streets and say you're a White Supremacist for not getting to Z fast enough. But Z isn't equality, H was equality, I was racial quotas, J was segregated campuses, K was White tax dollar funded reparations, and by the time you get to Z you'll be wondering why you can't do or say anything because you've been disenfranchised and made a separate class of people officially recognized as inferior. Yes, Blacks will riot if you decide to stop at H, they'll riot if you go from H back to G, but they'll riot even if you give them everything until you're in chains. The idea that Black violence only exists in conditions of Black oppression is laughable, none of the Blacks rioting throughout Europe except maybe Italy are at all disadvantaged by the system, but they know it will make Whites give them more free shit and more of their country away. Instability and damage caused by Blacks throwing molotovs it on the charge of Blacks who will never be satisfied, not on the White guy whose house they burned down.

-"I would also be interested in you elaborating on what you see as "anti-white trends" and what a politician could do for you to be satisfied that he is "combating them". What does "pro-White" policy look like to you?"

Spoiler: Wall of text

Antiwhite trends would be institutional discrimination where it is made official policy to preference serving, hiring, and promoting Nonwhites on race alone, which is down throughout every major field of work, most academic institutions, and in government bureaucracy. It would also be the media at every turn explicitly scapegoating Whites for anything bad that happens to nonwhites while ignoring, denying, or justifying anything bad that happens to Whites - if you know exactly how 90% of media outlets will treat a story based on the races involved then it's not a trend or a coincidence it's an agenda. When the curriculum in public schools and colleges funded in part by public tax dollars is explicitly Antiwhite and directly encourages the disenfranchisement of Whites, claim Whites are culturally and morally inferior inherently, all the while making it punishable by expulsion / termination for anyone to voice such views about Nonwhites it is a clear indication not only that our institutions are already Antiwhite but also that they are trying to shape a future in which Whites are even more hated and scapegoated. When the police are told to stand down at Black riots because it's Jamal's constitutional right to torch a cop car, but the police will be told to clear out a lawful peaceful event organized by Prowhite speakers because the police who should have been protecting the event instead let leftist terrorists run wild and attack the attendees, but then as soon as those evil Prowhite activists are gone the police stand down to let the leftists continue to riot and assault the attendees as they leave - this all seems like a way in which the Antiwhite sentiment built up for years and encouraged by the Media, Academia, and Government is beginning to be weaponized to actually repress and oppress Whites.

These would be some of the "anti-white trends".
Combating them would involve more or less the following:

Spoiler: Wall of text

Setting the same restrictions applied to Antiwhatever ideas to Antiwhite ideas and to treat them as hatespeech to be effectively banned and extricated from our Government, Academic, and Media institutions, while ending the double standard by which it is considered unconstitutional to select Whites over Nonwhites (but not the other way around) for jobs, college admissions, and access to benefits such as scholarships are government programs aiming to benefit communities of specific racial makeup. It would involve multifaceted efforts more complex than what I could write about because I am neither a lawyer nor a legislation drafter, but even if the minutia of the proper legislation and legal battles is way too much for me to fully understand, to even have public figures openly speak about these problems is the first step. Enoch doesn't know what sorts of legal precedents would have to be overturned to end racial quotas at workplaces? Fine, but raising awareness and opposition to this behavior is the first step in creating a social movement capable of pressuring lawmakers and courts into changing things. But what do we get from politicians? Either a complete denial of the validity of these concerns or an admission that these trends are unfortunate and probably should be stopped, but even when they have the clout and authority to push for change they do nothing. Ben Shapiro will criticize affirmative action when a popular story makes its way to his Twitter feed, but do these people ever file lawsuits with all their millions to overturn said policies? Do these politicians bring legislation to the House floor that outlaws it? Does Fox News ever do more than gawk? No.

And yes, I know these are not primary concerns of most Whites, I and others like me are in the minority, but this is because the left lost in 2016 and the pressure was off Whites. When Whites are the minority and Antiwhite sentiment is codified at every level and the momentum swings back towards our complete subjugation, you'll see a much greater proportion of Whites concerned over the hatred and discrimination leveled against them.

That isn't pro-white. That is egalitarianism.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

-"I'm a white and, bluntly, you don't speak for everyone."

Spoiler: Wall of text

Definitely, I don't think I claimed to. Many Whites =/= all Whites. When I talk about Whites getting upset that X or Y, I am referring to those who do and obviously not to those that don't. If someone asks a question about why Whites do something, say not all white people do that isn't answering the question, so when the conversation leads to someone asking such a question, I'm going to be speaking primarily about the Whites that engage in the behavior being asked about.

-"You can be pro-White without being anti-every other race, as Richardmongler points out"

Spoiler: Wall of text

I agree now and also affirmed that in my post you were quoted. The issue isn't whether your being Prowhite also extends into being Antieveryoneelse, the point I was making is that even if you aren't Antiwhatever you may still be supportive of someone who is because after being routinely betrayed by more moderate figures that claim to be Prowhite without being Antiwhatever, because at least with the more extreme guys you know that their Prowhiteness isn't something to compromise on. I'm more in line with Trump's original platform on social issues than with any Altright figurehead, but Trump and guys like him will always throw White interests under the bus and encourage greater distrust and abuse of Whites by not challenging Antiwhite efforts. Hence why some Whites care less about backing someone who won't hurt those poor blacks than they do about ensuring they can trust their guy to actually push for Whites.

-Everything you said about WN's policies and efforts being contrary to White Interests.

Spoiler: Walls of text

Not interested in ethnostate, death camps, racial quotas, or any of that literal Nazi stuff and I wouldn't argue for it, not that I think that some wackoworld in which Enoch were president would involve death camps and neoimperialism. What I do find interesting is that you seem to think the average White will be more concerned with what negativity will befall their nonwhite neighbors under a WN government than with what would befall Whites if current trends keep up. Yes, most Whites today don't see this as a demographic war or whatever, but we were close to seeing such a shift in thinking in 2015-2017 when nonwhites almost unanimously stepped up to declare their hatred of Whites and White America. When Trump got elected it took a lot of confidence away from such groups, which is why they put their masks back on, all of a sudden they stop calling for Whites to be segregated on college campuses and now start insisting that they really love all people and Trump is the one making things racial. They'll keep this up until they think they can drop the act again, and suddenly Joe Quincy doesn't give much concern to Jamal's well being when Jamal just set fire to his house in yet another peaceful protest.

There's this misconception that Whites can appease the left, newsflash you can't. You're a Nazi if you don't do A, so you give them A but now B is the new goalpost so you run through the entire alphabet for them, but at everystep they riot and kill cops and assault whites in the streets and say you're a White Supremacist for not getting to Z fast enough. But Z isn't equality, H was equality, I was racial quotas, J was segregated campuses, K was White tax dollar funded reparations, and by the time you get to Z you'll be wondering why you can't do or say anything because you've been disenfranchised and made a separate class of people officially recognized as inferior. Yes, Blacks will riot if you decide to stop at H, they'll riot if you go from H back to G, but they'll riot even if you give them everything until you're in chains. The idea that Black violence only exists in conditions of Black oppression is laughable, none of the Blacks rioting throughout Europe except maybe Italy are at all disadvantaged by the system, but they know it will make Whites give them more free shit and more of their country away. Instability and damage caused by Blacks throwing molotovs it on the charge of Blacks who will never be satisfied, not on the White guy whose house they burned down.

-"I would also be interested in you elaborating on what you see as "anti-white trends" and what a politician could do for you to be satisfied that he is "combating them". What does "pro-White" policy look like to you?"

Spoiler: Wall of text

Antiwhite trends would be institutional discrimination where it is made official policy to preference serving, hiring, and promoting Nonwhites on race alone, which is down throughout every major field of work, most academic institutions, and in government bureaucracy. It would also be the media at every turn explicitly scapegoating Whites for anything bad that happens to nonwhites while ignoring, denying, or justifying anything bad that happens to Whites - if you know exactly how 90% of media outlets will treat a story based on the races involved then it's not a trend or a coincidence it's an agenda. When the curriculum in public schools and colleges funded in part by public tax dollars is explicitly Antiwhite and directly encourages the disenfranchisement of Whites, claim Whites are culturally and morally inferior inherently, all the while making it punishable by expulsion / termination for anyone to voice such views about Nonwhites it is a clear indication not only that our institutions are already Antiwhite but also that they are trying to shape a future in which Whites are even more hated and scapegoated. When the police are told to stand down at Black riots because it's Jamal's constitutional right to torch a cop car, but the police will be told to clear out a lawful peaceful event organized by Prowhite speakers because the police who should have been protecting the event instead let leftist terrorists run wild and attack the attendees, but then as soon as those evil Prowhite activists are gone the police stand down to let the leftists continue to riot and assault the attendees as they leave - this all seems like a way in which the Antiwhite sentiment built up for years and encouraged by the Media, Academia, and Government is beginning to be weaponized to actually repress and oppress Whites.

These would be some of the "anti-white trends".
Combating them would involve more or less the following:

Spoiler: Wall of text

Setting the same restrictions applied to Antiwhatever ideas to Antiwhite ideas and to treat them as hatespeech to be effectively banned and extricated from our Government, Academic, and Media institutions, while ending the double standard by which it is considered unconstitutional to select Whites over Nonwhites (but not the other way around) for jobs, college admissions, and access to benefits such as scholarships are government programs aiming to benefit communities of specific racial makeup. It would involve multifaceted efforts more complex than what I could write about because I am neither a lawyer nor a legislation drafter, but even if the minutia of the proper legislation and legal battles is way too much for me to fully understand, to even have public figures openly speak about these problems is the first step. Enoch doesn't know what sorts of legal precedents would have to be overturned to end racial quotas at workplaces? Fine, but raising awareness and opposition to this behavior is the first step in creating a social movement capable of pressuring lawmakers and courts into changing things. But what do we get from politicians? Either a complete denial of the validity of these concerns or an admission that these trends are unfortunate and probably should be stopped, but even when they have the clout and authority to push for change they do nothing. Ben Shapiro will criticize affirmative action when a popular story makes its way to his Twitter feed, but do these people ever file lawsuits with all their millions to overturn said policies? Do these politicians bring legislation to the House floor that outlaws it? Does Fox News ever do more than gawk? No.

And yes, I know these are not primary concerns of most Whites, I and others like me are in the minority, but this is because the left lost in 2016 and the pressure was off Whites. When Whites are the minority and Antiwhite sentiment is codified at every level and the momentum swings back towards our complete subjugation, you'll see a much greater proportion of Whites concerned over the hatred and discrimination leveled against them.

I agree with most of your positions regarding policy, but I think it's telling that you, essentially, believe that:
-Everybody on the Left is a hardcore anti-White identitarian
-That hardcore anti-White identitarian movements have enough political clout to pass anti-White segregation in the US
-The exact same "demographics are destiny" hogshit that anti-white identitarians banked on over the past two election cycles- and which failed to bear out in reality.
-Black people are inherently barbaric, violent, and rapacious on an inhuman level.

On that third issue: without weasel words, what do you suggest, then, should be done about Blacks in Europe and America, given you explicitly believe that you cannot negotiate with blacks and they can never be satisfied?

That isn't pro-white. That is egalitarianism.

Legislation that is pro-White without being anti-Nonwhite will inevitably benefit other groups as well and be egalitarian in nature.

 

[Chaptersevenbankruptcy]

LMFAO.

Look, succeeding in polite society is not hard in the year of our lord 2020. There are only 2 rules; don't be openly a pedophile and don't be openly a white nationalist. That's it. Those are the only two rules.

You can get away with everything else. Like to fuck dogs? You'll be welcomed with open arms in the furry community, or by the Twitch Partnership Program. Like to suck dick? Lots of industries where they won't bat an eye. Like to suck dick but are in the closet about it? Go write for The National Review, they'll love you there. Are you a man who thinks you're actually a woman and that you're so special that conventional gender definitions don't apply to you? You'll do just great. Before you off yourself.

Just don't be openly a pedophile and don't be openly a white nationalist.

It's seriously that easy.

So what sort of people are such fuckups that they would manage to break one or both of the only two rules?

Autists and losers. It's fucking obvious. Either you were born without the ability to pick up on obvious social cues or you're just generally a fuckup at everything and you don't care about the rules of society.

If you debate me about the exact definition of "white nationalist" or quibble about any other point then you're clearly the former. Any sort of even slightly metaphorical language goes whizzing over your head. You just weren't born with the ability to socialize correctly. Hopefully you were born as one of those autists who's really good at math or computer whispering or some shit. Get a job in an IT department and keep your fucking mouth shut about your stupid opinions. If you do that, you'll be just fine. Unless some office bitch accuses you of sexual harassment; then you're pretty much ruined and there's nothing you can do. But bad luck can happen to everyone; case in point, you.

If you debate me about any other point or call me names, you're clearly the latter. You don't fit in, you can't fit in, you don't succeed, you'll never succeed. You're just a loser. The reason you want whites to express more in-group altruism and solidarity is to get your sorry ass across the finish line because you lack the gumption to do so yourself. The reason you flout the rules of society is because you don't give a damn about society because you never had what it takes to work within it. You tell yourself that you're some sort of edgy rebel who's too good for all the pretty lies and hypocrisy. But when you need to blend in with the normies, you just can't. It isn't that you lack the inclination, you lack the ability. I have no advice for you. Losers aren't winners.

 

[Fake News Anchor]

That isn't pro-white. That is egalitarianism.

Egalitarianism is when you advocate for what I said but for all races, which I don't think can be said about what most people consider to mean "egalitarian" - which tends to just mean take from whitey give to everyone else. To distinguish what I mean from that kind of an interpretation I use Prowhite in this context.

I agree with most of your positions regarding policy, but I think it's telling that you, essentially, believe that:
-Everybody on the Left is a hardcore anti-White identitarian
-That hardcore anti-White identitarian movements have enough political clout to pass anti-White segregation in the US
-The exact same "demographics are destiny" hogshit that anti-white identitarians banked on over the past two election cycles- and which failed to bear out in reality.
-Black people are inherently barbaric, violent, and rapacious on an inhuman level.

On that third issue: without weasel words, what do you suggest, then, should be done about Blacks in Europe and America, given you explicitly believe that you cannot negotiate with blacks and they can never be satisfied?


Legislation that is pro-White without being anti-Nonwhite will inevitably benefit other groups as well and be egalitarian in nature.

-Yes, or at least they are happy to go along with the more extreme elements in it because they are partly on board with such vengeance oriented policies.

-They have that clout already by making defacto segregation a thing in some ways. Black student groups hold all black events, set up housing programs where blacks can live in all black dorms, and have culled Academia into allowing them to use violence and harassment on campuses to make white students unwelcome on campus because they face retaliation from admin and other students if they don't cosign leftist antiwhite policies. This is mostly limited to colleges and lefty hipster areas of the US, but it's not like they aren't winning the PR and lobbying battle to try to take these policies to society at large.

-'Demographics is destiny is hogshit', which is why nonwhite groups vote almost unanimously for fuck white people policies. 'Demographics is destiny is hogshit', which is why nearly all media and capitalist commerce increasingly cosigns antiwhite politics to pander to a nonwhite consumer base, and why they will fire their employees and refuse service to anyone who offends nonwhites. 'Demographics is destiny is hogshit', which is why Arizona and Texas are turning blue from multigenerational mass nonwhite illegal immigration leading to a growing number of reliable blue voters. 'Demographics is destiny is hogshit', which is why the only way the GOP thinks it can stay relevant in the modern day is to pander endlessly to blacks and hispanics, all the while telling their white constituents to get fucked. OK.

-Blacks aren't inherently violent dindus, but when you condone that behavior endlessly you encourage it. Maybe instead of creating no go zones throughout Europe and intentionally underreporting and not investigating the crimes of blacks, instead of letting them riot with impunity, instead of looking at black criminality and saying "Wow, all these blacks are committing crimes. Clearly the law is racist and with should just let them out of jail, decriminalize majority black crimes, and create a culture of believing that blacks never commit crimes," we should actually hold them to account when they are acting, as you put it, inherently barbaric, violent, and rapacious on an inhuman level. Arrest black criminals, stop changing the laws so that their crimes become legal, and stop promoting the belief that they are victims of society and that really, if whites didn't want to be robbed or murdered they should have more of their money taken to pay for black reparations.

Something something, without weasel words, something something.
Basically the previous paragraph plus deporting all illegals, denying citizenship and residency to supposed temporary refugees, and making clear in national myth that no - Europe and America aren't racially ambiguous when it comes to their founding and all the good things in their society but when there's something ugly in their history the country was suddenly a white populous doing these things. Selfdestructive propaganda put out by the governments of these lands are almost as harmful as the immediate antiwhite policies themselves, because they poison the discussion for future discussions on policy by framing everything through a lens of "Whites are bad and don't deserve the same rights and dignity that everyone else does, but Nonwhites are beautiful and they should have everything for nothing and be able to get away with whatever trespasses against whites they wish to partake in." It's not that blacks will never be satisfied, it's that as long as the world is thinking in terms of "How much should white people owe us?" the answer will always be "More." Stop the appeasement, stop the apologies, stop the self defeating propaganda, stop self disempowerment and self impoverishment, and stop thinking that we have to compromise and give more up when we are already behind. Only when appeasement is off the table entirely will Nonwhites stop looking at us like Jackals looking at a wounded Zebra.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Egalitarianism is when you advocate for what I said but for all races, which I don't think can be said about what most people consider to mean "egalitarian" - which tends to just mean take from whitey give to everyone else. To distinguish what I mean from that kind of an interpretation I use Prowhite in this context.


-Yes, or at least they are happy to go along with the more extreme elements in it because they are partly on board with such vengeance oriented policies.

-They have that clout already by making defacto segregation a thing in some ways. Black student groups hold all black events, set up housing programs where blacks can live in all black dorms, and have culled Academia into allowing them to use violence and harassment on campuses to make white students unwelcome on campus because they face retaliation from admin and other students if they don't cosign leftist antiwhite policies. This is mostly limited to colleges and lefty hipster areas of the US, but it's not like they aren't winning the PR and lobbying battle to try to take these policies to society at large.

-'Demographics is destiny is hogshit', which is why nonwhite groups vote almost unanimously for fuck white people policies. 'Demographics is destiny is hogshit', which is why nearly all media and capitalist commerce increasingly cosigns antiwhite politics to pander to a nonwhite consumer base, and why they will fire their employees and refuse service to anyone who offends nonwhites. 'Demographics is destiny is hogshit', which is why Arizona and Texas are turning blue from multigenerational mass nonwhite illegal immigration leading to a growing number of reliable blue voters. 'Demographics is destiny is hogshit', which is why the only way the GOP thinks it can stay relevant in the modern day is to pander endlessly to blacks and hispanics, all the while telling their white constituents to get fucked. OK.

-Blacks aren't inherently violent dindus, but when you condone that behavior endlessly you encourage it. Maybe instead of creating no go zones throughout Europe and intentionally underreporting and not investigating the crimes of blacks, instead of letting them riot with impunity, instead of looking at black criminality and saying "Wow, all these blacks are committing crimes. Clearly the law is racist and with should just let them out of jail, decriminalize majority black crimes, and create a culture of believing that blacks never commit crimes," we should actually hold them to account when they are acting, as you put it, inherently barbaric, violent, and rapacious on an inhuman level. Arrest black criminals, stop changing the laws so that their crimes become legal, and stop promoting the belief that they are victims of society and that really, if whites didn't want to be robbed or murdered they should have more of their money taken to pay for black reparations.

Something something, without weasel words, something something.
Basically the previous paragraph plus deporting all illegals, denying citizenship and residency to supposed temporary refugees, and making clear in national myth that no - Europe and America aren't racially ambiguous when it comes to their founding and all the good things in their society but when there's something ugly in their history the country was suddenly a white populous doing these things. Selfdestructive propaganda put out by the governments of these lands are almost as harmful as the immediate antiwhite policies themselves, because they poison the discussion for future discussions on policy by framing everything through a lens of "Whites are bad and don't deserve the same rights and dignity that everyone else does, but Nonwhites are beautiful and they should have everything for nothing and be able to get away with whatever trespasses against whites they wish to partake in." It's not that blacks will never be satisfied, it's that as long as the world is thinking in terms of "How much should white people owe us?" the answer will always be "More." Stop the appeasement, stop the apologies, stop the self defeating propaganda, stop self disempowerment and self impoverishment, and stop thinking that we have to compromise and give more up when we are already behind. Only when appeasement is off the table entirely will Nonwhites stop looking at us like Jackals looking at a wounded Zebra.

I think our priors are too fundamentally misaligned due to differing life experiences for this discussion to be productive if taken further, and will likely degenerate into one or the other of us eventually getting frustrated and flaming the other. I'm glad you were willing to civilly discuss your ideas with me; you've given me a lot to think about.
I agree that reducing the narrative to "whites bad, nonwhites good" is unhelpful and unwanted; any discussion of the US should acknowledge that race relations in the US have been complicated from the beginning, and that furthermore the sins of the father should not be passed down to the son. I also agree that illegal immigrants should be deported, as they undercut the working wage.

 

[Fake News Anchor]

I think our priors are too fundamentally misaligned due to differing life experiences for this discussion to be productive if taken further, and will likely degenerate into one or the other of us eventually getting frustrated and flaming the other. I'm glad you were willing to civilly discuss your ideas with me; you've given me a lot to think about.
I agree that reducing the narrative to "whites bad, nonwhites good" is unhelpful and unwanted; any discussion of the US should acknowledge that race relations in the US have been complicated from the beginning, and that furthermore the sins of the father should not be passed down to the son, and that illegal immigrants should be deported.

I agree, and appreciate the respect you've shown, I hope I haven't been too disrespectful in talking to you. I hope we can get our countries to a point where we don't have to pick winners and losers regarding race, but it doesn't look like that's in the cards right now. Also fuck jannies.

 

[Shroom King]

same with actual Communists who jerk themselves raw about how BASED Stalin was.

I briefly skimmed the Laurelai Bailey thread looking for such a video but I was unsuccessful. Now you have to excuse me while I wash my eyes out with bleach.

 

[Cryonic Haunted Bullets]

white people suck and are gay.

Autists and losers. It's fucking obvious. Either you were born without the ability to pick up on obvious social cues or you're just generally a fuckup at everything and you don't care about the rules of society.

If you debate me about the exact definition of "white nationalist" or quibble about any other point then you're clearly the former. Any sort of even slightly metaphorical language goes whizzing over your head. You just weren't born with the ability to socialize correctly. Hopefully you were born as one of those autists who's really good at math or computer whispering or some shit. Get a job in an IT department and keep your fucking mouth shut about your stupid opinions. If you do that, you'll be just fine. Unless some office bitch accuses you of sexual harassment; then you're pretty much ruined and there's nothing you can do. But bad luck can happen to everyone; case in point, you.

If you debate me about any other point or call me names, you're clearly the latter. You don't fit in, you can't fit in, you don't succeed, you'll never succeed. You're just a loser. The reason you want whites to express more in-group altruism and solidarity is to get your sorry ass across the finish line because you lack the gumption to do so yourself. The reason you flout the rules of society is because you don't give a damn about society because you never had what it takes to work within it. You tell yourself that you're some sort of edgy rebel who's too good for all the pretty lies and hypocrisy. But when you need to blend in with the normies, you just can't. It isn't that you lack the inclination, you lack the ability. I have no advice for you. Losers aren't winners.

This is the best post I've seen in this thread so far, because it explains the primary contradiction that makes altists so pathetic - they're social outcasts (autistic imageboard dwellers and white-trash militia types), yet they push for a tighter society with strong social norms because they think it wouldn't exclude them. Adding on top of this, I think that one of the big motivations for the over-25s (who make up most of 8/pol/ and the more "extreme" alty sites) is looking back on their wasted youth and wishing that they had a strong daddy (or daddy state, the pathology is the same) to force them not to waste the best years of their lives playing video games and jacking off to hentai.

This nails it:

 

[A Welsh Cake]

Brown people, women and homersexuals?
All cool with me.

 

[snailslime]

lol

 

[Shield Breaker]

white people suck and are gay.

Idpols are gay.

 

[GreenJacket]

The media assault on Amy Cooper is an example of the anti-white system we live under. It is now effectively illegal for white people to call the cops on blacks.

So just because you say you hate niggers and want everyone who doesn't look like you forcibly removed from where you live, they call you a racist? That must be so very tough and difficult for you.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

I mean she was literally caught on video lying about him attacking her. We can argue all day about if she deserves to lose her job over it, but regardless she done fucked up.

 

[Boss HM-2]

white people suck and are gay.

This is the best post I've seen in this thread so far, because it explains the primary contradiction that makes altists so pathetic - they're social outcasts (autistic imageboard dwellers and white-trash militia types), yet they push for a tighter society with strong social norms because they think it wouldn't exclude them. Adding on top of this, I think that one of the big motivations for the over-25s (who make up most of 8/pol/ and the more "extreme" alty sites) is looking back on their wasted youth and wishing that they had a strong daddy (or daddy state, the pathology is the same) to force them not to waste the best years of their lives playing video games and jacking off to hentai.

A personal bullshit theory of mine is that the majority of alt-righters on the older end of millenial were mallgoths and into PC FPS games when Columbine happened. The general reactions to anybody with both those qualities for about a year afterwards was basically "potential psycho" (especially in very conservative towns) and I remember /v/ posts from back in 2011 or so about how people started treating them nicer after that shooting happened.

It explains why they keep claiming that normies didn't use the Internet or play video games until 2007, it explains why they hated SJWs (all the shittalking about whitey reminds them of their experiences as a nerd at the time), it explains all the motives of Gamergate that didn't involve game journalism being shit (and Weev happily admits that GG was a huge boon for sites like the Daily Stormer). Their peers fell victim to media bullshit, took it out on them, and to this day they will refuse to acknowledge that the same people who did it don't care about that anymore and are happily playing GTA and Call of Duty like everyone else under 50.

 

[Terrorist]

LMFAO.

Look, succeeding in polite society is not hard in the year of our lord 2020. There are only 2 rules; don't be openly a pedophile and don't be openly a white nationalist. That's it. Those are the only two rules.

You can get away with everything else. Like to fuck dogs? You'll be welcomed with open arms in the furry community, or by the Twitch Partnership Program. Like to suck dick? Lots of industries where they won't bat an eye. Like to suck dick but are in the closet about it? Go write for The National Review, they'll love you there. Are you a man who thinks you're actually a woman and that you're so special that conventional gender definitions don't apply to you? You'll do just great. Before you off yourself.

Just don't be openly a pedophile and don't be openly a white nationalist.

It's seriously that easy.

So what sort of people are such fuckups that they would manage to break one or both of the only two rules?

Autists and losers. It's fucking obvious. Either you were born without the ability to pick up on obvious social cues or you're just generally a fuckup at everything and you don't care about the rules of society.

If you debate me about the exact definition of "white nationalist" or quibble about any other point then you're clearly the former. Any sort of even slightly metaphorical language goes whizzing over your head. You just weren't born with the ability to socialize correctly. Hopefully you were born as one of those autists who's really good at math or computer whispering or some shit. Get a job in an IT department and keep your fucking mouth shut about your stupid opinions. If you do that, you'll be just fine. Unless some office bitch accuses you of sexual harassment; then you're pretty much ruined and there's nothing you can do. But bad luck can happen to everyone; case in point, you.

If you debate me about any other point or call me names, you're clearly the latter. You don't fit in, you can't fit in, you don't succeed, you'll never succeed. You're just a loser. The reason you want whites to express more in-group altruism and solidarity is to get your sorry ass across the finish line because you lack the gumption to do so yourself. The reason you flout the rules of society is because you don't give a damn about society because you never had what it takes to work within it. You tell yourself that you're some sort of edgy rebel who's too good for all the pretty lies and hypocrisy. But when you need to blend in with the normies, you just can't. It isn't that you lack the inclination, you lack the ability. I have no advice for you. Losers aren't winners.

So you accept society's default opinion that wanting to live with others of your own race (like your ancestors did) is an irredeemable flaw, as bad as raping kids and far worse than cutting off your penis or sexually identifying as a dog? Don't you see anything wrong with that?

 

[Trombonista]

So you accept society's default opinion that wanting to live with others of your own race (like your ancestors did) is an irredeemable flaw, as bad as raping kids and far worse than cutting off your penis or sexually identifying as a dog? Don't you see anything wrong with that?

Lol are you that scared of having black neighbors?

 

[Cryonic Haunted Bullets]

So you accept society's default opinion that wanting to live with others of your own race (like your ancestors did) is an irredeemable flaw, as bad as raping kids and far worse than cutting off your penis or sexually identifying as a dog? Don't you see anything wrong with that?

Why should a white person give two shits about "teh hwite race"? The Greeks and Romans enslaved millions of their own, the Norse had thralls, most Russians were reduced to serfdom, the Nazis starved, brutalized, raped, murdered, and kidnapped millions of white people (see: Lebensborn, Hunger Plan, Barbarossa, etc). Altists love to hyper-focus (in true :autism: fashion) on influential Jews, but most of the selfish rich assholes who run international banks and corporations are white Europeans. Caring about "my people" as an end in itself seems like servile peasant mentality to me.

 

[Chaptersevenbankruptcy]

So you accept society's default opinion that wanting to live with others of your own race (like your ancestors did) is an irredeemable flaw, as bad as raping kids and far worse than cutting off your penis or sexually identifying as a dog? Don't you see anything wrong with that?

What are you talking about you brain-damaged spic?