The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality - Airplane seats are getting smaller and smaller, clothes are unrecognizable after the second wash, and machines now answer our calls. Quality and care for craftsmanship seem to be things of the past

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It’s as if the smell of burnt plastic from a dollar store has permeated the world. Things are worse: chipboard furniture, T-shirts unrecognizable after a second wash, packaged foods with more preservatives than ingredients. Airplane seats turned into backrests. Automatic restroom lights that turn off at a whim. But also newspaper articles shamelessly written with ChatGPT and its algorithmic prose. Nothing is made to be loved. Only to be bought.

In a study titled The Concept and Measurement of Product Quality (1976), researcher E. Scott Maynes observed that quality is an inherently subjective concept, as it depends on the preferences of each consumer. Following his reasoning, it cannot be stated in absolute terms that an iPhone 15 is of “better quality” than a 2003 Nokia. For some consumers — although we know there won’t be many — the Nokia’s extreme durability may be more valuable than the iPhone’s technological innovations. Things aren’t worse, they just seem worse to us. But why?

“There is a pessimism that permeates a large part of the population, making everything seem inferior to us,” explains Javier Carbonell, deputy director of Future Policy Lab, a think tank focused on designing public policies to combat economic inequalities, over the phone. “This climate affects the judgments we make about the policies implemented and also the products and goods we consume.” According to the expert, the main factor driving this criticism is that the great promise of capitalism — if you work, you can have a decent life, buy a house, and go on vacation — is no longer being fulfilled; the social elevator has broken down. “Added to this is the impact of social media, which shows lives unattainable for most people,” he adds.

According to Carbonell, coordinator of the book La desigualdad en España (Inequality in Spain) (2024), the “culture of austerity” that emerged after the Great Recession (2008–2014) has been replaced by a “culture of efficiency,” embodied by Elon Musk, who champions a model aimed at minimizing costs. He first applied it at X (formerly Twitter) — where he laid off more than 75% of the workforce — and later, in the U.S. government.

He’s not alone: Mark Zuckerberg dubbed 2023 the “Year of Efficiency” and carried out massive layoffs at Meta. Amazon, like many other companies, has been gradually replacing human workers with robots and automated systems — to the point that in some of its warehouses, there’s no need to even turn on the lights.

When it comes to public services, the situation is different. Neither the pessimistic climate nor the supposed culture of efficiency alone explain why, between 2017 and 2022, the number of people with private insurance grew by 4% per year. According to the report The Healthcare System: Current Situation and Future Prospects, published in 2024, the main reason why Spaniards are turning away from the public healthcare system is the endless waiting lists.

Carbonell argues that, in absolute terms, healthcare services may not be worse than they were a few years ago. “The big problem is that they haven’t adapted to the pace of social change. They haven’t evolved enough to serve the entire elderly population, whose demographic size is increasing every year,” he argues.

There’s one conclusion that comes up repeatedly throughout this report: the perception that everything is of lower quality is more pronounced among older people. The reasons are varied. One is that attributes like durability — which used to be a major factor in how people judged a product’s quality — have lost relevance.

Psychologist Albert Vinyals, author of El consumidor tarado (The Disordered Consumer) (2019), recalls that years ago, the first thing car ads highlighted was their longevity. “Now we don’t even consider it,” he notes over the phone. “My grandmother, when she went to buy clothes, looked at the type of fabric they were made of. Now, no one knows what their pants are made of. Why would they? In a year, we’ll stop wearing them because they’ll no longer be fashionable.”

The textile industry perfectly illustrates this transformation in consumption patterns. As Marta D. Riezu, author of La moda justa (Fair Fashion) (2021), points out: “We consume clothing as if it were a disposable item.” In the last 20 years, textile production has doubled. In Spain, it is estimated that each citizen discards around 21 kilograms of clothing per year, according to the European Environment Agency.

Riezu explains via email that consumers’ growing preference for novelty over durability has created a generational divide in how quality is understood. “It’s a change in mentality that our grandparents (and some of our parents) don’t conceive or understand: buying to discard after a short time.” According to Riezu, the fast fashion industry encourages impulse and material reward. He warns: “There is no attachment, respect, or emotional journey with a garment you spend less than 20 years with.”

The dissonance between who we are now and who we used to be is reinforced by an even more powerful tension: the gap between who we are and who we want to be. While it’s only natural to blame multinational corporations for maximizing profit margins at the expense of consumers, and governments whose budget cuts have strangled already depleted public services, market logic is hard to dispute: things aren’t necessarily worse — they’re, to a large extent, exactly what we want them to be, or what we’ve been made to want. Put another way: it’s not the quality of things that’s declined — it’s us.


There’s a YouTube documentary about “planned obsolescence” with over a million views. It explains how some companies design certain products — especially household appliances — stop working after a certain period of time. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, but a proven fact. However, there’s another, lesser-known but even more effective method: convincing consumers that a product is outdated for aesthetic or symbolic reasons, even if it still works. This phenomenon is called “perceived obsolescence.” For example, Vinyals mentions young people who refuse to rent an apartment because it has old furniture, even though the material it’s made of is more durable and sturdier than the IKEA furniture they’ll ultimately end up investing in.

“Advertising and subliminal messages have turned human beings into zombies with no other goal than consumption,” says Juan Villoro in No soy un robot (I Am Not a Robot) (2024). A zombie who, moreover, has no time to waste. Rushing around and shopping for convenience are, according to Vinyals, another of the “pathologies” of the modern consumer. He questions why, instead of going to the market or the fruit stand, we prefer to buy tasteless tomatoes at the 24-hour supermarket next door. Why we spend $3 on a carton of juice instead of squeezing oranges, when we know the industrial version is made from concentrate. “Perhaps the best-known example of buying for convenience is paying around €75 per kilo for coffee just because it comes in capsules,” says Vinyals.

When did we stop having standards? That’s the question historian Wendy A. Woloson explores in Crap: A History of Cheap Stuff in America (2022). It all began in the mid-19th century. Before that, very few people owned many things. Objects were typically multifunctional: a table might serve as a work surface by day and a dinner table by night. Things were cared for and repaired — an old housecoat might become a child’s pair of pants. But as markets expanded and mass production took hold, cheaper and more accessible goods began to appear. “People were enchanted by the mix of variety and low price, as if they’d stumbled upon a secret treasure at minimal cost,” Woloson explains via email.

Over time, fashion trends fused with cheap products, and buying something new became almost mandatory. There was no longer any excuse not to have “the latest thing,” because it was within reach of almost everyone. As Woloson explains: “We have embraced this degraded material world, sometimes consciously, sometimes unconsciously. The things we need to live our lives — to do our work, to express ourselves, to understand who we are, and to forge relationships with others — are fundamentally cheap and alienating.”

Paradoxically, this overabundance of things makes us poorer: “Like our objects, interactions and ways of thinking have become mediocre: superficial, ephemeral, and degraded.”

Technology can improve product quality, but it can also increase mediocrity and flaws. Artificial intelligence is a clear example of this. In just a few years, companies have handed over much of their customer service to algorithms and robots. According to a 2024 report by the software company Salesforce, 62% of these services in Spain are already automated. Today, it’s easier to converse with a machine than with a real person. The problem is that no one likes these systems: according to a study by the Cetelem Observatory published last October, five out of 10 consumers openly reject virtual assistants. The conclusion is clear: society isn’t adapting to the pace of technological advancement.

José Francisco Rodríguez, president of the Spanish Association of Customer Relations Experts, admits that a lack of digital skills can be particularly frustrating for older adults, who perceive that the quality of customer service has deteriorated due to automation. However, Rodríguez argues that, generally speaking, automation does improve customer service. Furthermore, he strongly rejects the idea that companies are seeking to cut costs with this technology: “Artificial intelligence does not save money or personnel,” he states. “The initial investment in technology is extremely high, and the benefits remain practically the same. We have not detected any job losses in the sector either.”

There are other harms caused by artificial intelligence that are rarely discussed. For example, a key tool gained from the internet — real opinions from other users — has been rendered useless. A 2020 analysis by Fakespot of 720 million Amazon reviews revealed that approximately 42% were unreliable or fake. This means that almost half of the reviews we consult before purchasing a product online may have been generated by robots, whose purpose is to either encourage or discourage purchases, depending on who programmed them.

Artificial intelligence itself could deteriorate if no action is taken. In 2024, bot activity accounted for almost half of internet traffic. This poses a serious problem: language models are trained with data pulled from the web. When these models begin to be fed with information they themselves have generated, it leads to a so-called “model collapse.”

It’s difficult to prove that today’s products are worse than those of 20 years ago. Many products are hard to compare due to the enormous price difference. According to Flyersrights, in recent decades, the space between airplane seats has decreased by up to 15 centimeters. But at the same time, flying in the United States now costs more than $200 less than it did three decades ago.

The real problem isn’t buying pants that don’t last or traveling in an uncomfortable plane. The real problem is that, with each purchase, we support two of the most polluting industries on the planet. The production and purchase of low-quality products is not sustainable. For Marta D. Riezu, a truly good product “contributes something useful to society. It’s linked to ethics, effort, and commitment.”
 
LDR. Verbal masturbation. You get what you pay for.
Right, this is why I just pay more than to fly which specific classes on legacy carriers than just cattle car everywhere. You have to decide for yourself what is worth it. Airlines responded to the demand for the cheapest seats possible. Demand created by who? People used to wear suits and dresses to fly and now people come in pajamas, hogear, or ready for a fight because of whatever they had on board before boarding. Lots of airport police bodycam vids of this and it is usually, but not only, just alcohol. People high on coke, xannies, meth. Only sort of feel bad for tall people who can't do anything about it, but then again, you just have to pay more for a better class of seat. Some people literally don't care if they are crammed into basic economy as long as they only paid 50 bucks for the flight. That's who airlines are catering to because it maximizes profit for them and satisfies people that don't want to pay more than a bus ticket to fly.
 
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Right, this is why I just pay more than to fly which specific classes on legacy carriers than just cattle car everywhere. You have to decide for yourself what is worth it. Airlines responded to the demand for the cheapest seats possible. Demand created by who? People used to wear suits and dresses to fly and now people come in pajamas, hogear, or ready for a fight because of whatever they had on board before boarding. Lots of airport police bodycam vids of this and it is usually, but not only, just alcohol. People high on coke, xannies, meth. Only sort of feel bad for tall people who can't do anything about it, but then again, you just have to pay more for a better class of seat. Some people literally don't care if they are crammed into basic economy as long as they only paid 50 bucks for the flight. That's who airlines are catering to because it maximizes profit for them and satisfies people that don't want to pay more than a bus ticket to fly.
Indeed, have seen many airport police bodycams, you are quite right. The people the police nab are either on something or just whack jobs. Many who are arrested are also trespassed from the airport, further complicating matters for themselves. The fuck bucket is totally empty for such people, just too easy to behave yourself and have the best flight possible.
 
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Indeed, have seen many airport police bodycams, you are quite right. The people the police nab are either on something or just whack jobs. Many who are arrested are also trespassed from the airport, further complicating matters for themselves. The fuck bucket is totally empty for such people, just too easy to behave yourself and have the best flight possible.
It's literally never worth it to argue with GAs or FAs to where it comes to screaming and cussing and sometimes even the flight deck comes out to deal with it. Getting yourself banned from an airline or being put on a no-fly list really fucks with your life. Just argue with customer service when you are on the ground at your destination when you have a legitimate complaint. Can even get it to the FAA, etc, if you really think they are screwing you over. Sitting down and shutting up helps you, your fellow passengers, the crew. Can deal with it all later. Just document like a sane person and sit in your seat like a reasonable one.

If you think you might be too drunk or high or both to fly, can just tell the GA and they will get you on the next flight given enough time to sober up. Some people know their levels better than others but just you got yourself into that situation in the first place. Best not to make it all that more worse.
 
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My Colt Navy (Mfg ~2022) is much higher quality than my Colt Navy (Mfg 1855). some stuff has gotten better, especially if it has machined parts. the old Colt was one of the first assembly line made firearms intended for manufacture with replaceable parts, but in 1851 what that actually meant was it required less hand work to fit a part to a gun. you could clearly see that it was a mostly hand made firearm.

the new on is machined so accurately that replacement parts are drop in compatible for the end-user.

both of them have edges sharp enough to draw blood on though. I wish they would cut the actual corners. Stock image for reference:
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(Both of mine were London colts. The new one is a reproduction. I actually sold the original for a small profit to a museum because i didn't want to spend the time to fix it.)
 
I haven't read much of the article or the thread but I have an opinion and here it is:

there has been a precipitous decline in material quality of massproduced goods *but*

1) the design of massproduced goods is so improved I don't think people born after the ascendency of Martha Stewart are capable of comprehending this. what you can buy from mass retail is gonna fall apart pretty fast but at least it doesn't look like straight ass

2) it's quite possible to pay more for wellmade things, it just takes some effort and willingness to pay what it's worth. You can get clothes made for you, you can get furniture built for you, it's of course much much more expensive but it's accessible if you change your mindset and plan on keeping things for a long time. Before mass access to the internet this was not accessible to the consumer nor a workable business model for the producer.

the severe bullshit is in the "high end" mass market and I avoid buying any such consumer items.

ok I read the thread, the article was too retarded to read the whole thing and I have a couple more points:

first - part of the problem with clothes is 1) ongoing water crises that affect the cotton crop 2) enshittification of fiber mills. It's difficult to get around this even if you sew but there are workarounds. Many of them are extremely fucking depressing however because they require confronting some very frightening realities about how global industry is treating the North American consumer vs the Asian consumer.

second - back to my point about the massive important in design that happened immediately before the nosedive in physical quality - people got used to throwing stuff away and replacing it because they were ecstatic to throw away a lot of very, very ugly shit. The Netflix Martha Stewart documentary touched on this a little, particularly in the coverage of her kmart line, but I really wish they'd done more. It's a really critical component in the generational shift from hanging on to everything to being willing to completely refresh your material belongings on a regular basis. It's not just about people not remembering the depression anymore, or about Walmart coming in to your town, there was a generational event in the 80s and 90s where people got rid of ugly stuff and replaced it with nice stuff, and it means many adults right now were raised in a world where that's an ordinary and possible thing to do.
 
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There was a book published in the 1950’s “The Wastemakers”. In the book Packard is appalled that they are making disposable inserts for those old windproof refillable lighters every one used to own. Instead of replacing the wheel or flint, people were just tossing it aside and inserting a whole new mechanism! He probably knew the world was doomed when he saw the fully disposable lighters that came along twenty years later.
(This book was my introduction to Planned Obsolescence.)
 
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There was a book published in the 1950’s “The Wastemakers”. In the book Packard is appalled that they are making disposable inserts for those old windproof refillable lighters every one used to own. Instead of replacing the wheel or flint, people were just tossing it aside and inserting a whole new mechanism! He probably knew the world was doomed when he saw the fully disposable lighters that came along twenty years later.
(This book was my introduction to Planned Obsolescence.)

I haven't read this yet and I really want to because I was raised in a milieu that was fanatically antiwaste and it was pretty destructive. There's a happy medium that recognizes your time and living space are not infinite, and there's a basic tradeoff between hygeine and reusability.
 
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I haven't read this yet and I really want to because I was raised in a milieu that was fanatically antiwaste and it was pretty destructive. There's a happy medium that recognizes your time and living space are not infinite, and there's a basic tradeoff between hygeine and reusability.
It’s a great read, but reading in fifty years from when it was written is chilling. It’s far worse than Packard feared. I read it because several boomers I respected as a teen/college student all recommended as important to read to grasp the system in place. Now I recommend it to people too.
 
The thing that pisses me off is clothing wearing out so quickly now, especially casual clothing. I enjoy wearing band t-shirts. If you got went to see a band live 20 or 30 years ago (or more) and bought one of their tour shirts, odds are it's still kicking around in a drawer somewhere. It might be a bit faded, but you can still see the printing on it just fine. Now you'll be lucky to get six months out of it before holes start appearing and the printing either fades away or peels off. And thats not even talking about getting one off Amazon or from one of the many graphic tee shops online, but official merch from either a live show or the band's official site.
Fucking tell me about it, a few years ago I bought a vintage Bathory shirt second hand and I was fucking flabbergasted when it arrived in the mail - the graphic looked like it was printed just a day ago, only the shirt itself showed its age since it's dark grey rather than jet black like it was when it was manufactured.
 
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I mean, anyone who's not a dumb fucking idiot knows what's going on. Wages are stagnant and continue to stagnate thanks to central banks devaluing money during bullshit crises like covid, migrants working for bottom dollar, and production of everything being offshored. The actual costs of the materials to make these things, from houses to cars to common furnishings haven't changed. Our real wages and resultant purchasing power has never been lower.
If business firms aren't "incentivized" to bring jobs back and all put on that even playing field to compete accordingly, then their slave labor pool needs to be "incentivized" to get on planes or barges back to where they come from. There's no other way to turn this around.
Yeah, people who talk out of both sides of their mouths don't get it. This isn't an 'and' problem. It's an 'or' problem. There is no reality where things continue being what they are and things don't change. The decline can only be tolerated so long.
 
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