The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

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Y'know you don't have to weigh up everything to decide whether there's a message that's secretly agreeing with you or not every single time. Blue Hawk or whatever is a dumb asshole, the crowd were dumb assholes, but the scene isn't about BLM; it was about speed guy being a fucking retard in putting them together in a room in his quest to tongue the company's ass.
You're gonna be disappointed if you're auditing the show for boring fucking correct opinion time since the only point they're making is that dumb assholes are getting jewed en masse by people who do not give a shit.
The scene seems to have a clear bias. It's so one sided, I can't tell if it's satire or Netflix tier writing.
Butcher using a few roofies on his buddy was worth it to see Starjew seethe.
Starjew is really a bitch about anything. Why would he tell her anything when she's a emotionally manipulative bitch that tries to tighten the leash any chance she has? She doesn't even offer anything, she's just against everything.
 
But I know how they started and the show is only just starting to feel like it's approaching the point where 'the boys' might have the attitude they're meant to as a gang. I know the show deviates a lot but it'd be weird to never realise that element fully, and I can totally see why they might build up to that point on-screen (plus some of this stuff they're drawing out I recall specifically thinking felt a bit rushed originally) rather than entering into it as the status quo, or give us a glimpse then take a second bite at the apple.

I think the important thing to talk about as far as the writing of the show is concerned is the fact that, unlike the comics, Butcher and Homelander are actually well-written characters.

Butcher in the comic is such a blatant gary-stu who is constantly getting away with making the stupidest and more miserable decisions in the entire story and the only thing more reoccurring than his blatant plot protection is the fact that anybody who stands up to Butcher is going to be made a patsy out of even if Butcher himself has no actual response to the antagonism. And unlike the show which is constantly putting Butcher's actions to scrutiny, Comic Butcher ends the entire series getting exactly what he wants. He greatly destroys the foundation of Supes and Vaught as a whole, he kills his entire crew with next to no trouble sans Hughie who he easily goads into killing him to stop a rampage Butcher himself admits to wanting to stop. His death isn't even painful and the jackass dies smiling.

Meanwhile, Homelander in the comic is a hilariously incompetent, shallow villain who actually has almost no bearing on the plot aside from brief cameo appearances where he stands around looking like a complete joke next to Butcher. Any instance where Homelander gets an edge over Butcher, such as the scene where he's reading Butcher's heart rate trying to guess his backstory, is punctuated by a joke or slight against his character. (Butcher's dog fucking pees on him at the end of aforementioned scene.) Homelander and the rest of the Seven almost never directly get involved with anything regarding the story and when they do you can guarantee that it's their exit from the series in the form of an embarrassing, gruesome death. (Not that they aren't deserved, mind you.) As antagonists go, Homelander is fat sack of nothing who only does awful shit to nobodies or people who are unsympathetic to begin with. He is such a brainless character that he doesn't even die on-screen after the whole story builds up his final confrontation to be the crux of the entire comic.

The show took these absolute dumpster-fire characters and made them into instantly recognizable pop-culture icons in the span of a couple of years. Homelander's actions and personality in the show are so infamous at this point, and Butcher like-wise has reached similar levels of popularity thanks in part to his bad-ass credentials actually being worth a damn and his much better written morality and influence on the story.

The show isn't perfect by all means, but I think the fact that it understands the dichotomy of Butcher vs Homelander to this extent means that they're writing a different show that's better than what many others would have done with The Boys as an IP. I'm thinking a status quo shakeup is in the works because of how the show is constantly rotating characters in and out of story threads. The Deep is back on the Seven, A-Train is actually arguably a worse person than his comic counterpart somehow, Maeve might be dead, Stan Edgar has walked away much earlier than Stillwell did in the comics, and Starlight's constant position on the Boys means that already things are more different than anyone might've expected. In my honest opinion, I think Soldier Boy is going to be a red-herring that's going to reinforce the desperate means the protagonists are going to have to go to. If he was the solution Butcher thinks he is, I don't think his scenes would be as unstable and paved in horror as they currently are.

I just want to give the show more time. Yes, it's not fun to be retreading similar ground, but I'm going to have a little faith because stuff done well in this show is better than what I'm used to with this Super-Hero Deconstruction crap.
 
The scene seems to have a clear bias. It's so one sided, I can't tell if it's satire or Netflix tier writing.
Yeah if you come at it already with the perspective that it MUST be about blm first and the story scenario second, maybe. Also if you forget that if it's actually trying to be subversive it needs to get in under the radar first and instead just want a tv tug job.
Even if you love pigs and hate niggers, he's not actually a cop. He's also not on a neutral soapbox; speedy guy rudely crashed a party to force him to speak, but he's neither qualified nor inclined to be a spokesman. So the real-world thematic gimmick is a spin on that setup and not the other way around: it's not presented like a blank-slate debate on the virtues or vices of anything, if anything it's a punk on the audience and a joke about the "debate" itself being bullshit just like every similar thing in the show. The hypothetical premise is rendered moot once he removes the question of whether he's really just a supe shithead and starts punching muggles across the room, which our proud black hero initially reacts to by mainly being concerned about responsibility for a PR problem.

And I'm just guessing which direction you thought the bias was because I didn't even read that much into it.
 
I think the important thing to talk about as far as the writing of the show is concerned is the fact that, unlike the comics, Butcher and Homelander are actually well-written characters.

Butcher in the comic is such a blatant gary-stu who is constantly getting away with making the stupidest and more miserable decisions in the entire story and the only thing more reoccurring than his blatant plot protection is the fact that anybody who stands up to Butcher is going to be made a patsy out of even if Butcher himself has no actual response to the antagonism. And unlike the show which is constantly putting Butcher's actions to scrutiny, Comic Butcher ends the entire series getting exactly what he wants. He greatly destroys the foundation of Supes and Vaught as a whole, he kills his entire crew with next to no trouble sans Hughie who he easily goads into killing him to stop a rampage Butcher himself admits to wanting to stop. His death isn't even painful and the jackass dies smiling.
Butcher in the comics doesn't even have the whole "us vs. them" thing right, since he's just as much a supe as the guys he's fighting. His men all took Compound V. He's just another superpowered jackass going up against other superpowered jackasses, and it turns out that the guy he devoted his life getting revenge on wasn't even the perpetrator of the crime against his wife. Meanwhile, in the show, Homelander IS the guy who raped his wife, and Butcher actually has to fight smart against him before he started OD'ing on V-24, so for the first two seasons, people root for him because he's the underdog going against the American goliath that is Homelander.

Meanwhile, Homelander in the comic is a hilariously incompetent, shallow villain who actually has almost no bearing on the plot aside from brief cameo appearances where he stands around looking like a complete joke next to Butcher. Any instance where Homelander gets an edge over Butcher, such as the scene where he's reading Butcher's heart rate trying to guess his backstory, is punctuated by a joke or slight against his character. (Butcher's dog fucking pees on him at the end of aforementioned scene.) Homelander and the rest of the Seven almost never directly get involved with anything regarding the story and when they do you can guarantee that it's their exit from the series in the form of an embarrassing, gruesome death. (Not that they aren't deserved, mind you.) As antagonists go, Homelander is fat sack of nothing who only does awful shit to nobodies or people who are unsympathetic to begin with. He is such a brainless character that he doesn't even die on-screen after the whole story builds up his final confrontation to be the crux of the entire comic.
Homelander was also widely improved in the show, being a controlled lab rat instead of a shallow bully who was gaslit into being an asshole. In the show, he's a broken man, the result of being managed all the time and being trained in a lab like some rat instead of being raised by a loving family. It goes to show that controlling someone through fear and power just leads to that someone becoming an asshole down the line when they become powerful, which is a more human story. Homelander in the show is still evil, but the way he became evil was understandable, especially considering how he was brought up and managed. I especially liked the part when in Season 3, he discovers that his real persona was actually palatable to the masses. "They want me to.......be myself?" That question had a tone of innocence that one expects from a boy opening a Christmas gift for the first time. It goes to show that for all his faults, he's still human.
 
Butcher in the comics doesn't even have the whole "us vs. them" thing right, since he's just as much a supe as the guys he's fighting. His men all took Compound V.
Yeah that's one of the big ones I'm glad they've expanded. Like it's such an evident contradiction that it felt like there should have been an important process we never got to see.
And since that's happening it's almost like everything up until now has been a prequel chapter (if you just forget about all the other shit that's happened). Partly why I'm anticipating someone beloved to die or a 9/11 any minute now followed by a big group hug.
 
I don't know what to think of the latest episode. I'm tired of Frenchy and the chick. I don't care about them. I like how it's escalating with the Boys aligning themselves with a corrupt sup to kill Homelander and how that's going to fuck up. My guess is next season will be the last.

You know what annoys me? When there's sex scenes but they refuse to show tits. Cocks are 100% okay. You can show pretty much anything gore-wise but one titty on screen is just way too offensive.
 
Female should just appreciate the art of finger painting using her opponents' blood.
 
Five bucks says Starlight is going to go warn Homelander about Soldier Boy after Hughie left her.
If she does is a total regression of her character. What was she expecting? And apology from Homelander or something?

Is so ridiculously stupid that she and M.M are against the temporal Compund V when is the only chance they have to go toe to toe with Homelander.

It feels like ther is something missing or rushed in the plot. It makes no sense why they are against it.

I skipped that whole musical number.
Same. It was extremely cringe, out of place, retarded and just filler for filler sake. It wasn't needed, it added nothing, it served no purpose. 1 minutes and 20 seconds wasted.
 
You know what annoys me? When there's sex scenes but they refuse to show tits. Cocks are 100% okay. You can show pretty much anything gore-wise but one titty on screen is just way too offensive.
It still tries to be a feminist show. Too much cheesecake on the women's side might be interpreted as sexist.

If she does is a total regression of her character. What was she expecting? An apology from Homelander or something?
She'd probably see Soldier Boy as a bigger threat. Homelander is content with being a benevolent corporate dictator who rules behind smiles and diplomacy, whereas Soldier Boy is a walking nuke who went nuts and killed over a dozen innocent people.

Is so ridiculously stupid that she and M.M are against the temporal Compund V when is the only chance they have to go toe to toe with Homelander.

It feels like ther is something missing or rushed in the plot. It makes no sense why they are against it.
The fact that she's resistant to them using Compound V-24 is already regressive. I can understand her not trusting Butcher with powers, but Hughie, as well? Shouldn't she welcome that?

Also, with how often they take the green stuff, Butcher should just go full Supe and drink the blue V so that he doesn't need more V-24.
 
Do you guys think anything will come of learning that irradiating a supe gets rid of their powers or will frenchie and female continue to be pointless?
I think irradiating them is only temporary. Or maybe it only works in certain cases? I think either Frenchie or the female will finally die this season. Preferably both.
 
Do you guys think anything will come of learning that irradiating a supe gets rid of their powers or will frenchie and female continue to be pointless?
The group know that Soldier Boy's new power does that, don't they? Isn't that the whole reason Butcher wants to team up with him? Because otherwise they're god damn idiots for not figuring that out sooner.
 
The group know that Soldier Boy's new power does that, don't they? Isn't that the whole reason Butcher wants to team up with him? Because otherwise they're god damn idiots for not figuring that out sooner.
Maybe they did mention it so I'm big stupid and when the ambiguous "weapon to kill Homelander" was brought up I just pictured a BFG.
 
I'm confused about Black Noir. Wasn't he white when his mask was partially taken off in a earlier episode and then in a recent flashback they showed him as black?

Did they just race swap a character on the fly?
 
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