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That person is weak, Anthony Starr does a great job with Homelander and the character is funny.
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Season 2 of GenV is the shittiest season of Television I've ever watched. Major spoilers ahead
GenV's season 1 was boring but had an amazing payoff at the end. The characters were okay, but I liked some of them a whole lot. I liked Golden Boy, and his plotline had a great payoff with his gory suicide in the intro and the Cate villian twist (The Golden Boy aspect of her villian twist was good, the rest was okay). I liked Cate of course, she was an interesting character. I like Andre, I thought he was interesting. The Finale with Homelander flying in made the whole show worth it. The other characters were annoying at best but they weren't in your face about it (except for shrink girl). The tranny character could've been better thought out, rather than a tranny, but I digress.
Now for Season 2. The actor for Andre tragically dies, whilst the character he plays ends Season 1 in a locked room. For a shitty writer, this prompt seems impossible, and of course it is. Instead of replacing the actor up until they kill him, they just kill him off screen. I thought they would move on quickly, they are HARD STUCK on Andre up until the Finale. One of the characters while remembering Andre says "He smokes so much weed he was high for a month lol!!!!" Hahaha weed or something. Who the fuck cares, the whole point of Andre was that he was heroic and meant well. Not some fucking kid, that was done better with Sam (which I'll get to). Even the main villian talks about him (WHEN HE DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO) and says something like "he once pissed in Godolkin's coffee which made him so mad! What a legend (reddit updoot)" Not only is this line boring and gay, but it messes up the worldbuilding (I'll get to that later). The characters are boring and whiny. Shrink girl is useless as all hell, her motivations fucking suck, and her dialogue makes me want to go deaf a la Homelander style. She's presented to us as a quirk ball chungus and it pisses me off to no end. Tranny has an alright character moment when he refuses to say "transtastic" but the writers really want to shoehorn in some trans agenda bs which doesn't fit well with the worldbuilding. And they even mock women being uncomftorable with men in their restrooms in a disturbingly reducive way. Once again the Boys writers find rape to be hilarious. Polarity, Andre's dad isn't a bad character, he's written badly. Which is very frustrating as in the first season, I loved his lines and interactions with his son. His character starts off as a grieving father, learning the news of Andre and rejecting Emma's plea for help. It's devestating, and amazing character work, of course making Emma look even more annoying. They then ruin him in the next scene when he asks Emma "Ain't it weird how the only kid to be killed in dere wuz my BLACK son?" ??????? No, cause he tried to escape and had a seizure which killed him. Was his own brain racist? His character after that point is just reduced, not bad but not good. Usually boring. Marie is annoying and overpowered. She's made to be this godess who changes everything but instead just annoys me. She's also a Mary Sue, not having to train to get her powers to its fullest potential, because Dean Cipher explains some stuff to her. What ever. Towards the end she has an evil moment where she forces all her friends into the air and asks Cate, whose character had by that point been reduced into ashes, to force them to stay if she healed her broken powers. To which Cate refuses (which goes against her character's aspirations). Sam is okay, he has a great plotline later in the story, where he revisits his mom and dad. It's interesting and adds a lot to the worldbuilding.
My main issue with their whininess is that it's unfitting with the show. I get it. It's a teen drama, naturally they're gonna sit around and talk about their feelings, but it feels like they're wasting time. Time that could be spent on cool fights or even Dean Cipher. Instead, we have them asking "WTF are we going to do." "Idk" (That's a real scene verbatim). Holy shit just advance the plot! The worst part is that they're not just teenagers, they're superheroes. WHY AM I FORCED TO LISTEN TO THEM BITCH AND MOAN ABOUT DA CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS WHILE THEY GET NOTHING DONE??? All of the plot progression is incidental, thanks to Stan Edgar or Dean Cipher, or feel like the writers NEED the story to progress. The characters never do anything, they're always reactionary.
The only, and I mean ONLY good character was Dean Cipher.
Dean Cipher is the new Head of School and the main villian. Holy fuck does he deliver on all fronts. Not only as a perfect Twist villian but as the coolest person on set. Every scene with him is enjoyable. The scene where he stabs himself infront of Polarity was one of the most intimidating moves a character in this show has pulled. Dean threatening Cate was a fun introduction. There's so many more scenes. I especially liked his line where he asked the characters if they actually knew how their powers worked. Asking Marie, "do you control red blood cells, white blood cells, plasma?" An interesting concept that I've never even thought about. It makes a lot of sense and differentiates him from the Super genocider (who I also adored from last season).
His fling with Sister Sage was annoying, at first. Obviously I hate Sister Sage, she comes in and calls Albert Einstein racist. What an intelligent creature, and what a way to make me love the character even more by disrespecting one of the smartest and most accomplished men of our history. Their sex scene made no sense to me, but others say it spoiled the twist for them. That's lazy storytelling, they had already sprinkled in small hints, do they feel like the audience is too retarded? Anyways, Marie heals Thomas Godolkin who's happy to be alive and leaves Cipher's house to roam the campus. He walks up to a supe in a chilling scene and asks "What's your power?" It's some useless shit, and in response, Godolkin kills him. He walks off into the school with an amazing end to Episode 7.
For a moment, just for one moment, you belive that the finale will be actually good. Thomas Godolkin will be stopped in a satisfying way, tons of supes will be killed, major character deaths, fascinating strategies.
What do you think? It starts off strong, Thomas Godolkin gorges on food and fucks Sister Sage, which is accurate to anyone who got the ability to feel back. But then he does one retarded move after the other. Instead of just killing them without anyone knowing, he does a public TikTok (while intimidating) is not practical. He then holds supe killing lessons (which are dumb) and the main characters decide to crash one of the lessons. Instead of saving innocents, they save a rapist supe. Why? Whatever, they all come inside some rando character's ass (I'm so tired) and they put an end to his treachery. They have the character whose power is that her vagina hair grows, restrain him in a tied knot (Why doesn't he just control her and make her stop, who fucking knows, writers decided that he's retarded right now). Then he's forced to stop with someone's power. Boring end... but wait! He gets free and controls Marie, the most overpowered character ever. Marie restrains all of her friends with their blood, and you think someone's head is about to be blown off. I'm talking major character deaths, during her amazing monologue. But NOPE! Polarity bursts in just in the nick of time and stops Godolkin. Then they blow off his head in the most dissatisfying ending to such a perfect character.
And then we're told the most annoying boring characters imaginable are coming to the Boys Season 5. Do NOT put Emma and Tranny Jordan in the same story as Butcher. There's no fucking SHOT in hell they mesh well. I want the story to be primarily about Butcher and Homelander. Not Jordan, not Marie, not Emma, not Sam. They're all whiney like the Boys (but at least they had one great season), and get nothing done.
Fuck you Eric Kripke.
GenV's season 1 was boring but had an amazing payoff at the end. The characters were okay, but I liked some of them a whole lot. I liked Golden Boy, and his plotline had a great payoff with his gory suicide in the intro and the Cate villian twist (The Golden Boy aspect of her villian twist was good, the rest was okay). I liked Cate of course, she was an interesting character. I like Andre, I thought he was interesting. The Finale with Homelander flying in made the whole show worth it. The other characters were annoying at best but they weren't in your face about it (except for shrink girl). The tranny character could've been better thought out, rather than a tranny, but I digress.
Now for Season 2. The actor for Andre tragically dies, whilst the character he plays ends Season 1 in a locked room. For a shitty writer, this prompt seems impossible, and of course it is. Instead of replacing the actor up until they kill him, they just kill him off screen. I thought they would move on quickly, they are HARD STUCK on Andre up until the Finale. One of the characters while remembering Andre says "He smokes so much weed he was high for a month lol!!!!" Hahaha weed or something. Who the fuck cares, the whole point of Andre was that he was heroic and meant well. Not some fucking kid, that was done better with Sam (which I'll get to). Even the main villian talks about him (WHEN HE DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO) and says something like "he once pissed in Godolkin's coffee which made him so mad! What a legend (reddit updoot)" Not only is this line boring and gay, but it messes up the worldbuilding (I'll get to that later). The characters are boring and whiny. Shrink girl is useless as all hell, her motivations fucking suck, and her dialogue makes me want to go deaf a la Homelander style. She's presented to us as a quirk ball chungus and it pisses me off to no end. Tranny has an alright character moment when he refuses to say "transtastic" but the writers really want to shoehorn in some trans agenda bs which doesn't fit well with the worldbuilding. And they even mock women being uncomftorable with men in their restrooms in a disturbingly reducive way. Once again the Boys writers find rape to be hilarious. Polarity, Andre's dad isn't a bad character, he's written badly. Which is very frustrating as in the first season, I loved his lines and interactions with his son. His character starts off as a grieving father, learning the news of Andre and rejecting Emma's plea for help. It's devestating, and amazing character work, of course making Emma look even more annoying. They then ruin him in the next scene when he asks Emma "Ain't it weird how the only kid to be killed in dere wuz my BLACK son?" ??????? No, cause he tried to escape and had a seizure which killed him. Was his own brain racist? His character after that point is just reduced, not bad but not good. Usually boring. Marie is annoying and overpowered. She's made to be this godess who changes everything but instead just annoys me. She's also a Mary Sue, not having to train to get her powers to its fullest potential, because Dean Cipher explains some stuff to her. What ever. Towards the end she has an evil moment where she forces all her friends into the air and asks Cate, whose character had by that point been reduced into ashes, to force them to stay if she healed her broken powers. To which Cate refuses (which goes against her character's aspirations). Sam is okay, he has a great plotline later in the story, where he revisits his mom and dad. It's interesting and adds a lot to the worldbuilding.
My main issue with their whininess is that it's unfitting with the show. I get it. It's a teen drama, naturally they're gonna sit around and talk about their feelings, but it feels like they're wasting time. Time that could be spent on cool fights or even Dean Cipher. Instead, we have them asking "WTF are we going to do." "Idk" (That's a real scene verbatim). Holy shit just advance the plot! The worst part is that they're not just teenagers, they're superheroes. WHY AM I FORCED TO LISTEN TO THEM BITCH AND MOAN ABOUT DA CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS WHILE THEY GET NOTHING DONE??? All of the plot progression is incidental, thanks to Stan Edgar or Dean Cipher, or feel like the writers NEED the story to progress. The characters never do anything, they're always reactionary.
The only, and I mean ONLY good character was Dean Cipher.
Dean Cipher is the new Head of School and the main villian. Holy fuck does he deliver on all fronts. Not only as a perfect Twist villian but as the coolest person on set. Every scene with him is enjoyable. The scene where he stabs himself infront of Polarity was one of the most intimidating moves a character in this show has pulled. Dean threatening Cate was a fun introduction. There's so many more scenes. I especially liked his line where he asked the characters if they actually knew how their powers worked. Asking Marie, "do you control red blood cells, white blood cells, plasma?" An interesting concept that I've never even thought about. It makes a lot of sense and differentiates him from the Super genocider (who I also adored from last season).
His fling with Sister Sage was annoying, at first. Obviously I hate Sister Sage, she comes in and calls Albert Einstein racist. What an intelligent creature, and what a way to make me love the character even more by disrespecting one of the smartest and most accomplished men of our history. Their sex scene made no sense to me, but others say it spoiled the twist for them. That's lazy storytelling, they had already sprinkled in small hints, do they feel like the audience is too retarded? Anyways, Marie heals Thomas Godolkin who's happy to be alive and leaves Cipher's house to roam the campus. He walks up to a supe in a chilling scene and asks "What's your power?" It's some useless shit, and in response, Godolkin kills him. He walks off into the school with an amazing end to Episode 7.
What do you think? It starts off strong, Thomas Godolkin gorges on food and fucks Sister Sage, which is accurate to anyone who got the ability to feel back. But then he does one retarded move after the other. Instead of just killing them without anyone knowing, he does a public TikTok (while intimidating) is not practical. He then holds supe killing lessons (which are dumb) and the main characters decide to crash one of the lessons. Instead of saving innocents, they save a rapist supe. Why? Whatever, they all come inside some rando character's ass (I'm so tired) and they put an end to his treachery. They have the character whose power is that her vagina hair grows, restrain him in a tied knot (Why doesn't he just control her and make her stop, who fucking knows, writers decided that he's retarded right now). Then he's forced to stop with someone's power. Boring end... but wait! He gets free and controls Marie, the most overpowered character ever. Marie restrains all of her friends with their blood, and you think someone's head is about to be blown off. I'm talking major character deaths, during her amazing monologue. But NOPE! Polarity bursts in just in the nick of time and stops Godolkin. Then they blow off his head in the most dissatisfying ending to such a perfect character.
And then we're told the most annoying boring characters imaginable are coming to the Boys Season 5. Do NOT put Emma and Tranny Jordan in the same story as Butcher. There's no fucking SHOT in hell they mesh well. I want the story to be primarily about Butcher and Homelander. Not Jordan, not Marie, not Emma, not Sam. They're all whiney like the Boys (but at least they had one great season), and get nothing done.
Fuck you Eric Kripke.
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Leftists really are nothing more than special needs children who can't handle anything more complex than the grade-school agitprop that they willingly suck down before asking for seconds.
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LORD IMPERATOR
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The great irony is that leftists excel at making stories that are accidentally based. The Boys is no different.
As I mentioned before, Homelander is still the most-watched character of the show. He's the Boys' version of Tywin Lannister; when that character died, Game of Thrones as a show declined as a result.
Homelander, despite being an inhuman monster of superhuman strength, is ironically enough, the most human of the entire cast. He has parental struggles, both as a child and as a parent. He has to balance being a ruthless psycho who can force people to back down, with the act of being the gentleman who smiles and waves at the camera. He was forced to repudiate the love of his life, only to hear that she took her own life. He was forced by Gus Fring to be a corporate puppet, yet when he finally overthrows Gus from Vought and takes over, Soldier Boy appears and makes his life a living hell. He tries to appeal to Soldier Boy as a son wanting approval from his father, only to nearly die when SB wrote him off as a mistake. He had his own demons to purge when he talks to himself in the mirror and goes back to confront the people who "created" him; and yes, he took immense pleasure in torturing the people who tortured him. Does that make him right? No. But does that make him human? Yes.
Homelander fights, struggles, makes mistakes, and yet he endures, and he finds a way to move his plot forward and seize more power, despite all the shit that's been thrown at him. It's kind of inspiring, in a way. It's hard to hate him fully because of that. I mean, his opposition stems mostly from Starlight, who's way too preachy and indecisive, and Billy Butcher, who's just a base-born thug. Between them and Homelander, it's not that surprising that people root for Homie while they're just getting tired of Billy and Annie.
They're literally making him Hitler wrapped in an American flag, yet we all know the show will die when he dies. Perhaps it should, in a way. Let it leave on a decent note.
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Despite everything else about the show, I think Starr has at least done a good job playing a narcissistic but oddly compelling take on the "what if Superman...was a villian?" character we've mostly seen in comics, a performance that feels wasted as the keystone of an otherwise mediocre series.
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He had lots of practice from Banshee where he played "what if Cop... was a villain?"
(it's a joke please laugh)
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Decided to catch up on The Boys and Gen V since I hadn't watched anything since season 3. Now I've heard something that apparently one of the people involved in the franchise left after The Boys season 3 and now Eric Kripke has full control. It'd explain the downgrade. Not helped by the fact that before I caught up, I rewatched the first three seasons too.
I think I said it earlier in this thread, but when season five was confirmed before season four had even come out, I was against the idea because I believed only having one more season would be perfect for the show. You have a Butcher who is dying, it's been shown through Soldier Boy that there's a way to remove Supe powers, and Homelander is now in control of Vought. All you had to do was have Grace use Soldier Boy's body to make a weapon that could neutralize super powers, have Butcher use it on Homelander, and then the pair of them have a fist fight until Butcher kills Homelander with his bare hands, and then dies from his disease.
The issue with season four, as many people pointed out, was that it felt too much like a holding pattern. They're waiting to get to season five, and so don't really do anything. They have Teknight, a combination of Batman and Iron Man, and not only is he never in a suit, they do a lazy "Batman and Robin are gay lovers" joke that got old back in the 50s. I feel like that scenario would have been a perfect opportunity to show how Hughie has grown by having him get himself out of the situation. But no, have to keep him as the joke character by having him get sexually assaulted because it's funny when it happens to men.
Sister Sage, everyone has talked about how much she fails by being a dumb person's idea of a smart person so I won't add on to that.
Gen V was an interesting premise but again they do nothing with it and part of the problem is in the first season, they don't seem to know what they want to do with it. Is it a school drama with superheroes, a commentary on fame and the shallowness of social media, or a mystery that only a bunch of diverse teens can solve? So it tries to cram all three into not enough time. Then season two happens and they just end up right back where they were last season. If you were going to do that, why bother having them get arrested?
I did love Cipher though. He was great. Like Soldier Boy, you have someone we're supposed to hate, but the mediocre writing and acting from the others causes him to be elevated and more likeable.
All in all, I'm not hopeful for season five. Finger crossed I'm wrong though.
I think I said it earlier in this thread, but when season five was confirmed before season four had even come out, I was against the idea because I believed only having one more season would be perfect for the show. You have a Butcher who is dying, it's been shown through Soldier Boy that there's a way to remove Supe powers, and Homelander is now in control of Vought. All you had to do was have Grace use Soldier Boy's body to make a weapon that could neutralize super powers, have Butcher use it on Homelander, and then the pair of them have a fist fight until Butcher kills Homelander with his bare hands, and then dies from his disease.
The issue with season four, as many people pointed out, was that it felt too much like a holding pattern. They're waiting to get to season five, and so don't really do anything. They have Teknight, a combination of Batman and Iron Man, and not only is he never in a suit, they do a lazy "Batman and Robin are gay lovers" joke that got old back in the 50s. I feel like that scenario would have been a perfect opportunity to show how Hughie has grown by having him get himself out of the situation. But no, have to keep him as the joke character by having him get sexually assaulted because it's funny when it happens to men.
Sister Sage, everyone has talked about how much she fails by being a dumb person's idea of a smart person so I won't add on to that.
Gen V was an interesting premise but again they do nothing with it and part of the problem is in the first season, they don't seem to know what they want to do with it. Is it a school drama with superheroes, a commentary on fame and the shallowness of social media, or a mystery that only a bunch of diverse teens can solve? So it tries to cram all three into not enough time. Then season two happens and they just end up right back where they were last season. If you were going to do that, why bother having them get arrested?
I did love Cipher though. He was great. Like Soldier Boy, you have someone we're supposed to hate, but the mediocre writing and acting from the others causes him to be elevated and more likeable.
All in all, I'm not hopeful for season five. Finger crossed I'm wrong though.
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it was a wasted season. i thought season 4 was going to be a parody of iron man (season 2 had the thor parody, season 3 had the captain america parody). it would have been interesting to explore iron man parody focusing on the military industrial complex, government and corporations. because kripke loves political commentary, right?
but no, season 4 had more tds, bad writing, and nothing happens. i hope something happens with season 5 but i don't trust kripke. but it looks like we are going to have a supernatural reunion.
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They're not even trying to hide that, yet again, Butcher's just gonna be back to being a part of the main group again after the previous season set up him crossing the line and being on his own because of it before this season ends with him going 'too far' again.
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will they do a Charlie Kirk analogy along with a ice stand in?
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They had a “this is MAGA country” style moment in Gen V without any sense of irony. If they’re stupid enough to send up a faked event like that then I can bet that Amazon executives had to tell them no to any Charlie Kirk references.
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The writers and Amazon both realized that it's more profitable to do surface level political commentary catered towards redditers and trannies instead of creating an interesting story that is more like seasons 1 and 2.
I'm still fond of her character since they're playing on the references to Caesar with her.
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Oh fuck, now I know why they gave Marie healing powers, it's so she can fix Butcher's lesions and he can go back to being sane and fight alongside them, isn't it? Then they can save money on CGI by getting rid of his tentacle powers and having him go back to the laser eyes he had in season three.
Also, Marie's probably going to figure out how to 'heal' compound V and they'll depower Ryan. Pretty sure Hughie and Annie are gonna end up being Ryan's adoptive parents at the end, which is something I'd actually be happy with.
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Holy shit this looks like trash.
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They are going to ruin the ending. Homelander is going to die in the gayest way possible.
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I suspect this scene is where Homelander dies. If so, then a random field at night with nobody but Butcher to witness looks more anti-climactic than the comic.
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It's a scene where he injects V-1 into himself. You can see the glowing syringe in another shot.
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Oh, so not only is he gonna survive but now he'll be functionally immortal as well. Awesome.
I'm now thinking about what it means for him to be "functionally immortal": even if he somehow stops aging, recall that when the Ryan kid got so, so mad, he literally sliced the Jew-Nazi's limbs off with his laser eyes. Wasn't she as resistant as Homelander, if not more? This is one of many instances where the superhero's powers and abilities fail to be continuously OP: recall, in the first season, where the invisible guy with fancy carbon skin (skin's made of carbon anyway but whatever) is immune to gunshots, explosions, etc. but somehow his entire body explodes by inserting bombs inside his rectum and exploding them. Now, I ask—how the fuck is his skin unable to withstand the bombs from within? Maybe if he barfed organ soup and died instantly that would've made more sense, but instead he just exploded, which was implied to be impossible.
And then the Arab girl, Victoria—she got squeezed to death in less than ten seconds by Butcher. That was retarded, IMO.
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