The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

The greater a'tuin said:
Hold the fuck up, Homelander can be weakened by normal ass radiation and nobody capitalizes on it?
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Just send a guy sealed inside power armor, using enriched uranium as a weapon, and Homelander, along with the Seven, are all dead.

As for Soldier Boy, use the same drugs that incapacitated him all those years ago in Latin America, then dump his ass on a volcano.

Hijo de D. Woodchucks Jr. said:
I think there's a missed opportunity to turn this show into a full-on Family Guy-esque absurdist comedy (more than it already is). Make it clear that Homelander is the protagonist. Emphasis on protagonist, though you could still call him a hero, if only for tax reasons. God knows everyone else is insufferable, unlikable, and just as murderous as him, but he can be funny.

The reason his super senses fail is that he has super ADHD, and he fixates on stuff (like building plastic models) so he blocks out everything that isn't what he's doing at the time. Hilarity ensues!!
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I'd have made Homelander into a villain or anti-hero protagonist. Like, he tries to be a good hero, tries to be a good man, but the world won't let him, and he keeps failing when he tries to walk the high road, so he chooses instead to be a backstabbing asshole. Then when the Boys finally corner and kill him, he says something about how unfair the world was, of how he tried to walk the moral and righteous path but failed, and he only gained power by being evil, for which he was being punished for.

TheAmbiguousLurker said:
At first I thought they were going with Soldier Boy being immune to the drugs too, since like Frenchie he's also a prolific drug user, but it seems they're going with him falling to the chemicals so Frenchie can bait him into destroying the source, the other V1 test subject Quinn. Soldier Boy even immediately switches to expressing guilt for killing Quinn, crying until Homelander shows up and begs him to kill him.
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What the fuck do they really want to do with Soldier Boy? Is he just an unrepentant, egotistical, misogynist asshole? Or a complex guy with daddy issues who wants to do what's right?
 
This show is so ass now. Remember when Homelander seemed like a threat in season 1? That really great and tense van scene? Or the finale with Butcher blowing up the baby. Now he comes across as so weak and stupid. Having the main antagonist be this lame (on top of all the wokeslop and kikeshit) totally murdered what could have been an interesting show.
 
Bolo_the_Second said:
Ennis is more about romanticizing soldiers and their courage rather than the institution behinds conflicts, and even then, he seems to stick with one "good" war where it is safe to make heroes and villains, WWII.
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Bullshit. This is one of a million shows/movies trying to make the CIA look cool (though in a dark, dangerous way.) Of course it isn't a total blowjob to the CIA/military, because they don't want to be too obvious.

Pentagon has a huge media budget and they seem to focus most of it on the CIA's image for some reason. They're also trying to tell us that CIA needs to basically make ethnic bioweapons to protect us. The show has a very heavy emphasis on a virus that kills certain types of people being the key to saving the world.

I foresee all the (jew ran) countries making viruses to kill each other off, and Coincidentally none of them will target jewish genetics.
 
TheVoodooThatJewDo said:
Bullshit. This is one of a million shows/movies trying to make the CIA look cool (though in a dark, dangerous way.) Of course it isn't a total blowjob to the CIA/military, because they don't want to be too obvious.

Pentagon has a huge media budget and they seem to focus most of it on the CIA's image for some reason. They're also trying to tell us that CIA needs to basically make ethnic bioweapons to protect us. The show has a very heavy emphasis on a virus that kills certain types of people being the key to saving the world.

I foresee all the (jew ran) countries making viruses to kill each other off, and Coincidentally none of them will target jewish genetics.
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Not talking about the show, but the comic.
 
ATandTism said:
This show is so ass now. Remember when Homelander seemed like a threat in season 1? That really great and tense van scene? Or the finale with Butcher blowing up the baby. Now he comes across as so weak and stupid. Having the main antagonist be this lame (on top of all the wokeslop and kikeshit) totally murdered what could have been an interesting show.
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Soldier Boy could've easily killed Homelander as he left the uranium cell. I mean, the dude must've still been woozy; one chest ki blast to the face would either kill him or depower him. Soldier Boy should be the kind of person that Homelander has to bow to or try to kill. Even if he's a bit stronger than SB, Homelander cannot erase the fact that SB is immortal, has more combat experience, and can depower him at will.

Bolo_the_Second said:
Ennis is more about romanticizing soldiers and their courage rather than the institution behinds conflicts, and even then, he seems to stick with one "good" war where it is safe to make heroes and villains, WWII.

Maybe it does look like Ennis is on a big suck-off of the CIA or the military, at least on "The Boys" books, because essentially they are the ones opposing the Supes, even if by mid-way of the story it becomes clear that this has become more of a personal war for Butcher, who trully is the one getting all the blowjobs from Ennis.
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Basically, Garth Ennis is the kind of guy who would make the Justice League get creamed by the Spartans from Halo, or the Space Marines from Warhammer 40K. Hell, if he got control of Disney's IPs, I can see him make Marvel's Avengers lose to the Stormtroopers from Star Wars. Judging by how he handles military-vs-supes, it's basically one big fat kiss to the Order 66 trope of having super-powered characters getting taken down by trained mooks with guns.

If Ennis got his hands on anime, he'd have Spike Spiegel kill the fucking Saiyans with some modified phlebotinum gun or something.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
Just send a guy sealed inside power armor, using enriched uranium as a weapon, and Homelander, along with the Seven, are all dead.

As for Soldier Boy, use the same drugs that incapacitated him all those years ago in Latin America, then dump his ass on a volcano.


I'd have made Homelander into a villain or anti-hero protagonist. Like, he tries to be a good hero, tries to be a good man, but the world won't let him, and he keeps failing when he tries to walk the high road, so he chooses instead to be a backstabbing asshole. Then when the Boys finally corner and kill him, he says something about how unfair the world was, of how he tried to walk the moral and righteous path but failed, and he only gained power by being evil, for which he was being punished for.


What the fuck do they really want to do with Soldier Boy? Is he just an unrepentant, egotistical, misogynist asshole? Or a complex guy with daddy issues who wants to do what's right?
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The comic version of HL was an mysterious rarely seen figure who you never fully knew and could have moments of being good that contrasted his evil moments. The TV show couldn't do that nor did they have a plan for how to actually write HL as a straight up villain as seen by the fact that they irreversibly muddied the water on him raping Becky because they were afraid to write him as an actual rapist as well as playing up his neurotic tendencies rather than writing him as Eric Cartman on steroids.

As for Soldier Boy, they took a joke character (Soldier Boy is a legacy character who's modern day character is defined by the fact that he thinks all of the casual sex he has with HL during Herogasm was a top secret training exercise to see if he was ready to join the Seven) and turned him into a stunt casting gimmick via Jensen Ackles. Adding to it, Ackles refused to play the character as a straight up racist and the rumor that Amazon vetoed the original plan for SB being a more straightforward toxic mentor to HL as the rumored original pitch for season three was that SB was a famous immortal super who Voight brought on board to the Seven because of all of the scandals, to lead the team and repeating the same beats with Stormfront's arc but with Russia, until Amazon straight up demanded evil Captain America instead. And Kripke keeping SB alive purely to bait fans with the characters return.
 
Chilson said:
Gareth Ennis being an overrated edgy 13 year old shockjock who used the comic as a vehicle to seethe at superhero comics as a genre.
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Garth Ennis wrote one of the greatest Superman stories in Hitman (Hitman #34). This is not retarded edgy seething, this is just sociopolitical commentary packaged in a edgy filthy superhero comic. The Butcher character arc, the Vought supervisor, starlight's backwards hick-y religious dogmatism, her subsequent nihilism things like that are so well written. Punisher Max is pretty much the same, except that is less edgy and more classical pulpy fun. In fact, to the people who think this is edgy shit, go read the omnibis, specifically the commentary by people like Adam McKay (The Big Short, Vice) who told The Boys is the perfect satire of mid 2000s Republican corporatism and that he expected Homelander to campaign for Mitt Romney or be involved in the Middle East somehow. Despite all the gimmicky comic booky shit (Compound V, juvenilia), the sociopolitical commentary is actually on the mark.
 
MirrorNoir said:
The comic version of HL was an mysterious rarely seen figure who you never fully knew and could have moments of being good that contrasted his evil moments. The TV show couldn't do that nor did they have a plan for how to actually write HL as a straight up villain as seen by the fact that they irreversibly muddied the water on him raping Becky because they were afraid to write him as an actual rapist as well as playing up his neurotic tendencies rather than writing him as Eric Cartman on steroids.
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Weren't a good portion of his evil moments just Black Noir dressed up as him and doing evil shit to drive him insane?

MirrorNoir said:
As for Soldier Boy, they took a joke character (Soldier Boy is a legacy character who's modern day character is defined by the fact that he thinks all of the casual sex he has with HL during Herogasm was a top secret training exercise to see if he was ready to join the Seven) and turned him into a stunt casting gimmick via Jensen Ackles. Adding to it, Ackles refused to play the character as a straight up racist and the rumor that Amazon vetoed the original plan for SB being a more straightforward toxic mentor to HL as the rumored original pitch for season three was that SB was a famous immortal super who Voight brought on board to the Seven because of all of the scandals, to lead the team and repeating the same beats with Stormfront's arc but with Russia, until Amazon straight up demanded evil Captain America instead. And Kripke keeping SB alive purely to bait fans with the characters return.
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SB would've worked perfectly as a foil to Homelander in that he's got more combat experience and has a tactical mind as a soldier.

Then they had to make it so that his WW2 record was a fabrication, which makes no sense since Stan Edgar said he killed Germans by the dozens when he told Homelander the truth.
 
I like that Firecracker lost hope the moment Homelander tried to place himself above Jesus, and now probably just wants to survive, like everyone else. It's the only plot development this season that I've enjoyed.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
It's the scene from fucking Anchorman 2.
"I killed fifteen men in Okinawa."
'WW2?'
"Two weeks ago."
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Which is so stupid. It's obviously there to knock Soldier Boy for being a toxic male, but can't they at least attribute some valor to the guy? At least villains in kids' cartoons like Megatron in War for Cybertron/Transformers Prime can be brave enough to face danger on his own and win. The same thing goes for the fucking Chancellor in the Clone Wars, where he dealt with Darth Maul personally after the latter became way too powerful and ruined Kenobi’s love life. Fucking kids' cartoons understand this........

Are they that afraid of people liking Soldier Boy that they have to make him a fraud, too? Well, joke's on them, people still loved the shit out of Soldier Boy because of his characterization and dialogue.

It would've been better if they just played Soldier Boy straight: a man who won valor in war, to the point where if he melted down all his medals, he could make a life-sized statue of himself. But he has a lot of old-world views that he refuses to let go. He sees men doing feminine things as a weakness. He thinks subordinates questioning their leaders is weakness on the part of the leaders. He'd look at how Homelander coasted on his powers and barely fought anyone of equal strength, and that would be the reason why he thinks John is a weak piece of shit. Ben would have been a soldier who has already seen combat before being transformed, and a lot of that old-school military discipline remained, even after he became a hero.

They should've written in that Vought made Soldier Boy into a war machine that, unlike the modern Vought heroes who pick on low-level criminals and terrorists, SB was actually made for full-scale war, using a more potent, more dangerous form of Compound V to power him, and as such, he has far less restraint in combat, and he kills people way more than even Homelander does, because while Homelander's strength is used to cow the enemy into surrendering, Soldier Boy was designed as a killing machine that would go in, butcher the shit out of elite Waffen-SS shocktroops and Imperial Japanese troops, and come back out, drenched in the blood and guts of his opponents.

Unlike Homelander, SB's opponents are fanatics who know how to fight a war, and who would never entertain the idea of surrender, and so he goes in with the full intent of killing everyone he sees on the enemy team. And it would make sense in context. Homelander was designed to threaten and frighten the odd criminal or terrorist; Soldier Boy was made to kill Nazis and Imperial Japanese troops by the bucketloads, almost like a man-sized atom bomb.

Wouldn't that be a better final boss than "LOL rich kid who pissed himself and who's actually weak inside"? The show is too busy making its villains into pathetic weaklings inside that it's sabotaging its villains, and by extension, its heroes. Because if they're losing to such pathetic simps, how good are our heroes to begin with?
 
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I have to share this absolutely fucking hilarious page with you guys I stumbled on in an Ennis thread elsewhere.
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damn, dude
it's, like, so brave
the justice league who has saved the world time and time again from threats like these where alien lifeforms take over people and saved them without killing them has no room to judge some literal contract killer whose first instinct was to just shoot them
his actions were truly resolute and justifiable
 
God of Nothing said:
I have to share this absolutely fucking hilarious page with you guys I stumbled on in an Ennis thread elsewhere.
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damn, dude
it's, like, so brave
the justice league who has saved the world time and time again from threats like these where alien lifeforms take over people and saved them without killing them has no room to judge some literal contract killer whose first instinct was to just shoot them
his actions were truly resolute and justifiable
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Is Garth Ennis just the capeshit version of Karen Traviss? Really?

Karen Traviss is a Star Wars author who wrote many books that dealt with the Mandalorians during the Clone Wars and the post-Yuuzhan Vong-era. The problem is, the way she writes the Mandalorians, they're always justified despite the fact that they're just PMCs for the military-industrial complex (the OG Stormtroopers were clones created from the DNA of a Mandalorian officer named Jango Fett). Traviss also excessively demonizes the Jedi Order, either belittling their power as spoon-bending nonsense, or calling them a bad influence on the galaxy, illogical and dishonorable when compared to the oh-so-honorable Mandalorians.

The problem is, as I stated, the Mandalorians literally sold a clone slave army to Psychic Space Hitler so he could seize control of the galaxy. And in many other parts of the Star Wars history, from the Clone Wars, the Great Galactic Wars, and the Mandalorian Wars, they were either muscle for whatever version of Psychic Space Hitler that was around, or in the case of the Mandalorian Wars, they were openly crusading and burning worlds left and right due to their bloodlust and addiction to war itself. They were either contract killers for the bad guys, or they maraud and kill for the sake of it.

Not to mention that the Jedi Order literally saved the galaxy multiple times, from the Sith, the Mandalorians, the Empire, trade corporations with robot armies, the Rakatans, the Yuuzhan Vong, they even stopped a massive droid rebellion at one point. Remove the Jedi from the story, and the SW galaxy would've gotten fucked in the ass. Even if you remove the times when the Sith came from within their ranks, there were still more than one problem that the Jedi saved the galaxy from.

So basically, you have one group that just kills for the sake of money, or kills because they're part of the military-industrial complex, and another group that has literally saved everyone multiple times, and the author shits on the latter while praising the former.

It's the same situation for that Justice League page from a Garth Ennis comic and Karen Traviss' works in the SW universe.

Looks like the hatred of super-beings is a writing trope that transcends genres.
 
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