Joshua Wise & Stephen Boyd The Chris-Chan Extortionists - and the End of Evangelion

[LagoonaBlue]

The only way I see Chris being appropriately tard-wrangled is if a certified non-we;en KF member were to take one for the team and play babysitter and actively minding him, with Chris being aware of that person being said babysitter.

Do you really think he'd take kindly to that though? I mean I don't really want Chris to come to harm but at the same time i don't think he'd appreciate someone being patronising and the like towards him.

 

[JU 199]

I think you mean capable.

No I meant culpable. He doesn't deserve the majority of the blame anymore for his situation. Wise decimated Chris's mind with nothing more than a little persistence and time. That's not someone who can ever really be fully responsible for his mistakes.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

No I meant culpable. He doesn't deserve the majority of the blame anymore for his situation. Wise decimated Chris's mind with nothing more than a little persistence and time. That's not someone who can ever really be fully responsible for his mistakes.

He's never responsible for anything, he's always the victim. The end.

 

[wes]

Do you really think he'd take kindly to that though? I mean I don't really want Chris to come to harm but at the same time i don't think he'd appreciate someone being patronising and the like towards him.

The reality is that once Barb kicks the bucket, he's likely to be under the care of someone like that, but possibly less patronising. Or his minder could end up being a total absentee asshole who could give less of a shit. I only say a KF member because I'd imagine them to be more understanding and able to spot his tells easier.

 

[mrdk_04]

No.

No.

Aren't one-word posts illegal on Kiwifarms?

 

[The Captain]

Some people have lost more, but at least they learn through insight.

In case you can't already tell - Chris isn't a normal person. His ability to "learn through insight" is extremely limited. This latest "saga" proves this beyond any reasonable doubt.

 

[LagoonaBlue]

Aren't one-word posts illegal on Kiwifarms?

He's the owner. He has god status.

In case you can't already tell - Chris isn't a normal person. His ability to "learn through insight" is extremely limited. This latest "saga" proves this beyond any reasonable doubt.

Chris is his own brand of normal. There's more than one normal.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

In case you can't already tell - Chris isn't a normal person. His ability to "learn through insight" is extremely limited. This latest "saga" proves this beyond any reasonable doubt.

I agree, but do you believe you can go on acting like Chris' insight for the rest of his life? Most people see this prospect and run the other way.

 

[mrdk_04]

He's the owner. He has god status.

I'm well aware, it was intended as a joke.

 

[LagoonaBlue]

I'm well aware, it was intended as a joke.

Pardon me for having an :autism: moment.

 

[wes]

I agree, but do you believe you can go on acting like Chris' insight for the rest of his life? Most people see this prospect and run the other way.

Chris is severely autistic. It's not going to happen.

 

[LagoonaBlue]

Chris is severely autistic. It's not going to happen.

Doesn't severe autism imply non verbal, fuckload of sensory issues etc., or am i incredibly misinformed?

 

[The Captain]

I agree, but do you believe you can go on acting like Chris' insight for the rest of his life? Most people see this prospect and run the other way.

No - and I wouldn't want to, either. There needs to be a long term strategy (group home? independent living with weekly visits?) once this whole mess blows over.

 

[WorldsSmartestManRonOTool]

When Barb dies, he'll either be sexually exploited by whoever "adopts" him or he'll end up in a live-in facility for special needs people that can't take care of themselves.
Had no idea that all of the bank nonsense with the Branchland house and the bank meant that the bank would get the house when Barb dies.
Chris's future is bleak no matter which way you spin it.

Don't count out Barbara Anne Weston Chandler, she's the type of person that will live into her 90's. She may even outlive Chris.

 

[Wrathcaster]

It really is interesting to see how little you can do with dox on neets like Boyd and Wise. Back in the olden days of ED trolling when Chris' every iota of info was being mined and released I'd think, "man that would be horrible if it happened to me."

But without jobs (consensus seems to be that they're unemployed) or meaningful responsibilities, there doesn't seem to be much to do of tremendous consequence with their info. Since law enforcement isn't biting, that is. Hell, Wise didn't even stop fucking with Chris after being doxxed the first time. I hope all the work Null is doing can prevent a repeat.

 

[JU 199]

He's never responsible for anything, he's always the victim. The end.

Ah yes take that Chris.

Ya know he's fucked right? In-between Idea guy and the mounting debt I doubt acting like a normie crossed his mind recently.

 

[timtommy]

I don't understand that mentality. He isn't above or below any of them, even severe and non verbal autistics.

What do you mean by "above" or "below". In some cosmic, moral sense, it is fine to say that his life is not worth any more or any less than anyone else's.

In terms of some measure of competence and ability to interact with the world, there are lots of autistic people who are "above" him, and a lot of others who are "below" him. Many people on the autism spectrum are largely indistinguishable from non-autistics unless you know them well. Some are completely non-verbal and find it very difficult to take in any information or stimulus from the rest of the world. Chris very clearly falls "in between" these groups in a way that most people would find intuitive.

Chris also seems to have always been desperate to be seen as in the first group and has feared either being confused as or even associating himself with the second group. He wants you to see him as an equal the vast majority of the time, making occasional allowances for autism.

My armchair psychiatrist theory is that on some level he is a little insecure that he might be a little further down the scale than he hopes, and that's why he describes severely autistic people as "windows into hell". Some of it is somewhat understandable. Think about the school bus case, where he was unhappy after being changed from a normal bus to a special kids bus. Basically, he was shown two busses, one with a bunch of normal kids, and the other with exclusively kids who have something wrong with them. He was then told, "you can't crack it with the normal group, you are more like the others". I can understand why that would be a bit of a jarring experience.

If he is going to be ok with some more custodial solution, he is probably going to have to be convinced he is receiving some minor accommodation for his autism, as opposed to receiving the sort of help that a very severely autistic person would.

 

[wes]

Doesn't severe autism imply non verbal, fuckload of sensory issues etc., or am i incredibly misinformed?

There's a reason why a lot of the cows on the forums are called "autistic", and it's not just because of verbal and sensory issues. They legitimately do not understand what they're doing is bad. They lack the reasoning that a normal person would have to get the clue when someone makes it a point to ignore you. It's why the last con didn't go well for him. Autism encompasses, as I'm sure many members can explain in detail, a variety of issues, but varying degrees of difficulty in interpersonal environments is a known hallmark of the disorder.

The Titanic is sinking, and Chris is too busy listening to the music to get on a lifeboat and get off the fucking sinking ship.

 

[amandasixxxx]

It really is interesting to see how little you can do with dox on neets like Boyd and Wise. Back in the olden days of ED trolling when Chris' every iota of info was being mined and released I'd think, "man that would be horrible if it happened to me."

But without jobs (consensus seems to be that they're unemployed) or meaningful responsibilities, there doesn't seem to be much to do of tremendous consequence with their info. Since law enforcement isn't biting, that is. Hell, Wise didn't even stop fucking with Chris after being doxxed the first time. I hope all the work Null is doing can prevent a repeat.

There's plenty you can do with a name and address.

When I used to move in script-kiddie circles, it wasn't uncommon to see people being ISP doxed, swatted repeatedly, credit scores trashed, utilities switched off, framed for crimes and jailed over the most trivial of disputes.

KF is just toothless.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

Lol Chris is only going to end up in a group home or minder if he actually allows it. The government isn’t going to step in and force it on him.
Most likely he’s going to stay in the hoard long after Barb dies until it’s foreclosed or falls into unsustainable disrepair and he’s forceably evicted. Who knows if he can actually handle the sensory overload of moving into an apartment on his own. Or what he’ll do.