The Confederate Flag

George Lucas, for instance, with his locking away of the Original Star Wars films' masters. There's nothing illegal about it whatsoever, but it's still morally wrong for him to do so.
How's that? It's his stuff, he owns it. If he doesn't want you to see it then he doesn't have to let you see it. You're not entitled to it just because it's something you want to see. Same goes for retailers not carrying something you want to buy. Retailers make money by selling people things they want, but they certainly have no legal or moral obligation to do so.
 
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I don't care if people wanna wave around the Swastika, or the ISIS Flag, or God Hates Fags. It's as much their right to wave it, as it is my right to dump on those horrible fascists by drawing the Prophet Muhammad having gay sex with Hitler.
Are you implying the nazis, ISIS, and Westboro deserve to exist?
 
What are your feelings on CP in regards to Free Speech?
Opposed and believe it should be hunted down and prosecuted, but not because it violates freedom of speech. It's both very clearly an obscenity, and physically and mentally abusive to the people filmed. I also feel the same way about the works of Max Hardcore and Rob Black, incitement, people who send legitimate threats, and a few other things.

We in the US, for the most part, have pretty sensible criterion to what is considered outside the bounds of Freedom of Speech. From a moral standpoint, I also believe it's also best for those who don't have these principles currently available to them to fight in their favor.

Are you implying the nazis, ISIS, and Westboro deserve to exist?
Are you implying that telling them what they can and can't say will make them go away?

ISIS and the Nazis both came up in areas of the world that had very stringent codes against freedom of expression. Not only did those codes do absolutely nothing to stop them, if anything, they thrived because of them. Meanwhile, in the US, where people are actually free to speak up, the WBC is an impotent joke.

These are not coincidences.
 
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r/KotakuInAction spergs about the situation. Choice quotes include:

  • A game set in the Civil War is going to contain elements from the Civil War, including the Confederate flag. Portraying things as they were isn't an endorsement, and this is a concept most SJWs (and idiots in general) can't understand. It's the same as schools who ban Huck Finn because it contains the word "nigger," not realizing that the whole point of including it is to reinforce the anti-racist message of the book.
  • This is the slippery slope that those of us completely dedicated to full, 100% freedom of speech and freedom of expression were afraid of; not government stripping away personal rights to wave whatever flag you damn well please (though that may be next), but the chilling effect against expression as dictated by corporate censorship.
  • All I can say right now... This is fucking disgusting. Everywhere I look, corporate fools censoring and banning anything they set their eyes on, with no regard for reason or justice. The more it happens, the more other corporate fools catch onto the fad and propagate it themselves. With each wave of totalitarian censorship, it exponentially grows. I am utterly disgusted.
 
Are you implying that telling them what they can and can't say will make them go away?

ISIS and the Nazis both came up in areas of the world that had very stringent codes against freedom of expression. Not only did those codes do absolutely nothing to stop them, if anything, they thrived because of them. Meanwhile, in the US, where people are actually free to speak up, the WBC is an impotent joke.

These are not coincidences.
You're literally comparing getting rid of a redundant flag to nazis and ISIS committing atrocities. The only place the confederate flag should be is in a museum and my hick grandma's guest room that my uncle sleeps in because she's senile and thinks the flag will convert him to a higher state of being. It all started when he started dating this black chick, but that's besides the point. My point is that the confederate flag is redundant, it stands for values that modern america is completely against, and no one should miss it when Obama bans it personally.
 
You're literally comparing getting rid of a redundant flag to nazis and ISIS committing atrocities. The only place the confederate flag should be is in a museum and my hick grandma's guest room that my uncle sleeps in because she's senile and thinks the flag will convert him to a higher state of being. It all started when he started sleeping with this black chick, but that's besides the point. My point is that the confederate flag is redundant and no one should miss it when Obama bans it personally.
This wasn't at all what I was saying, but in my experience, shitposters like you have quite a talent for ignoring reality.

Now tell us more about the black chick your granddaddy cheated on grandma with. That's totally relevant to this thread.
 
This wasn't at all what I was saying, but in my experience, shitposters like you have quite a talent for ignoring reality.

Now tell us more about the black chick your granddaddy cheated on grandma with. That's totally relevant to this thread.
The story was a metaphor, a parable if you will, that gives an example of just the kind of person who would give a shit about this dumb flag being trashed. Just because you disagree with me and don't understand my opinion doesn't mean you get to label me a shitposter, like you think you're some Kiwi cool kid like dynastia who can actually get away with content-less ad hominem attacks.
 
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The story was a metaphor, a parable if you will, that explains just the kind of person who gives a shit about this dumb flag. Just because you disagree with me and don't understand my opinion doesn't mean you get to label me a shitposter like the Kiwi cool kid you think you are.
Well I've said it multiple times, but you've ignored every instance I've pointed it out: I don't care what dumb reasons people want their stupid fucking flag for. Me telling them they have no right to fly it: a) makes me a prisoner in my own cage, and b) will not only do nothing to stop them from thinking that killing all Jews is a good idea, but convince them that I'm the Jew who's trying to stop them and they must fight even harder.

I understand that you want to ban something you disagree with. The questions I have?

Why do you think it is a good idea?

How do you know this won't set a bad precedent in the future?

Who do you think should enforce these ideas?

Do you think this will do anything to stop people like David Duke, or will they just become more convinced that they're right?

How do you know someone won't use these very same laws to come after something you love?

Since I oppose censorship, I don't have to answer any of these stupid fucking questions.
 
@Asterisk , when you're breaking out the Hitler comparisons it's time to get a glass of warm milk and go to bed. Hopefully you'll realize what an autist you were being in the morning.
I believe @ULTIMATEPRIMETIME was the first to bring up Hitler or ISIS or whatever, and I merely desired to counter his point. It's hard to keep track of all those angry white guys who want to kill the Jews.

I have no desire to Godwin this thread. It's already in a bad enough death spiral that I'm pretty confident it'll either enter Spergatory soon, or have several posts deleted.

@You are right though, @UnwiseKhan. Now's probably a pretty good time for bed. Or at the very least some heavy drinking and some episodes of The Sopranos.
 
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Well I've said it multiple times, but you've ignored every instance I've pointed it out: I don't care what dumb reasons people want their stupid fucking flag for.
Well you seem awfully quick to defend it. Why do you keep defending this racist flag?

Me telling them they have no right to fly it: a) makes me a prisoner in my own cage, and b) will not only do nothing to stop them from thinking that killing all Jews is a good idea, but convince them that I'm the Jew who's trying to stop them and they must fight even harder.
Telling people they can't fly an offensive flag makes you a "prisoner in your own cage"?

I understand that you want to ban something you disagree with. The questions I have?

Why do you think it is a good idea?
My answer was in every one of my posts in this thread: There is a fine line between freedom of speech, and downright crimes against humanity. Slaves are one of these crimes, and to use the confederate flag for a state, or to hang it up near a building, means you support what the Confederacy stood for. This is what you're defending.

How do you know this won't set a bad precedent in the future?
Because this has happened before and no one gave a shit about it then.

Who do you think should enforce these ideas?
Obama, in person, and then Rick Santorum when he gets elected in 2016.

Do you think this will do anything to stop people like David Duke, or will they just become more convinced that they're right?
David Duke is like literally a wizard, and he's just crazy and crazies should end up in hospitals.

How do you know someone won't use these very same laws to come after something you love?
Because I don't hate crimes against humanity.

Since I oppose censorship, I don't have to answer any of these stupid fucking questions.
No, you choose not to answer those questions because you have no argument and I have to make one for you. It's okay, you just need someone to help you. here:

*Asterisk* said:
Hi I'm asterisk and I hate niggers. I'm afraid that the King Nigger over at the whitehouse is gonna take my rights away and burn my flags because he knows that intellectuals like me would sell his monkey ass if the confederates had won! I need my flags so I will always remember that the south will in fact rise again, and when it does I will fire the first bullet! Someday I will be just like my idol Dylan Roof. Call me sometime, Roofey!!
 
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I have a bigger issue with how homophobic the Confederate flag is. The Confederacy had no openly gay or trans soldiers serving, meanwhile the North was made 100% of faggot liberals. This is a tragedy I cannot forgive, and I stand with Apple's decision to rewrite history and control thought.
The north also had niggers in there army
 
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