EU The digital Euro may have spending limits - The European Central Bank considers restricting how people spend their money. CBDCs are coming, sooner than you think, and not just for the EU.

The digital euro may have spending limits
ReclaimTheNet (archive.ph)
By Tom Parker
2022-11-10 19:46:20GMT

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Fabio Panetta, an Executive Board Member of the European Central Bank (ECB), has proposed that users of the digital euro should only be allowed to spend €50 per transaction and have a maximum monthly spending limit of just €1,000 if they want to avoid having their transaction data recorded by the ECB.

The digital euro is the European Union’s (EU’s) proposed central bank digital currency (CBDC) and officials involved with the project have already confirmed that it will have less anonymity than cash.

But during an appearance at a “Towards a legislative framework for a digital euro” event (which was jointly organized by the European Commission (EC), the executive branch of the EU, and the ECB), Panetta and other officials discussed further restrictions that they hope to impose when the digital euro rolls out.

Panetta proposed that the ECB should be able to see data on payments between digital euro users but that it wouldn’t hold personal data about those users. He indicated that the only way for digital euro users to possibly avoid having their payment data recorded would be to stick to “very small value payments.”

“If we allow users to do transactions up to say €50 with a maximum…volume of transactions in a given timeframe that is monthly not more than €1,000…transaction not more than 50, then one might discuss that this could not be recorded but this is a discussion which would take place,” Panetta said.

In addition to proposing strict spending limits for users that want to avoid data collection, Panetta also suggested restrictive savings limits that would limit users’ total digital euro holdings to a maximum of just €3,000.

“What we are discussing is the possibility of introducing limits for individual users,” Panetta said. “For example, we have been discussing…many numbers…€3,000.”

Panetta claimed that these savings limits were necessary for financial stability and to prevent users from moving their money out of banks and other financial intermediaries.



Another attendee at the event, German Minister of Finance Christian Lindner questioned the proposed €50 limit.

“I think €50 is very restrictive,” Lindner said. “I wonder whether people would accept €50 when they can pay in cash hundreds and…more. So, we have to…assess this very carefully. We should introduce a digital euro which is really accepted by people and not only by policymakers.”

However, Lindner also called for the digital euro to be “programable.” This refers to the ability of governments or central banks to program spending restrictions or controls into CBDCs. For example, a CBDC could be programmed so that it can only be spent at government-approved merchants or programmed to expire within a certain amount of time.



The topic of the digital euro and privacy (or lack of) was discussed by several officials at the event, including Christine Lagarde, President of the ECB.

Lagarde acknowledged that during the ECB’s public consultation, 43% of respondents had ranked privacy as the most important aspect of the digital euro.

But Lagarde rejected the public’s demand for true privacy. She said “the digital euro could replicate some cash-like features and enable greater privacy for low-value – low-risk payments, including for offline payments” but noted that these privacy-protections wouldn’t apply to most transactions.

“Full anonymity – such as offered by cash – does not appear a viable option in my opinion,” Lagarde said. “It would contravene other public policy objectives such as ensuring compliance with anti-money laundering rules and combating the financing of terrorism. And it would also make it virtually impossible to limit the use of the digital euro as a form of investment – for example via holding limits or tiered remuneration – for which identities of users need to be known.”



The digital euro is currently in the investigation phase so the proposals discussed during this event aren’t necessarily final. This investigation phase will end in 2023 and the EC has announced a legislative proposal on the digital euro for early 2023. The ECB also plans to start testing the digital euro in 2023 and roll it out fully in 2026.

While these digital euro proposals aren’t set in stone, the comments are yet another sign that the people behind CBDCs are planning to use them to introduce restrictions and surveillance features that erode privacy and give governments more control over how their citizens spend their money.

The United States (US) and China, the world’s two largest economies, have both confirmed that their CBDCs won’t provide the same level of privacy as cash. China’s digital currency will track transaction data unless the amount spent is low while the US digital dollar will be “identity verified” and “not anonymous.”

Other influential figures have also discussed and praised the dystopian implications of CBDCs becoming widespread. These implications include digital money being used for full centralized control, CBDCs being used to control what people buy, and CBDCs being linked to digital identity.
 
For example, a CBDC could be programmed so that it can only be spent at government-approved merchants or programmed to expire within a certain amount of time
In an way, this is somewhat normal in the sense that an inactive bank card will eventually become useless; but this is the first that I've heard of your money actually being deleted.

In addition to proposing strict spending limits for users that want to avoid data collection, Panetta also suggested restrictive savings limits that would limit users’ total digital euro holdings to a maximum of just €3,000.

“What we are discussing is the possibility of introducing limits for individual users,” Panetta said. “For example, we have been discussing…many numbers…€3,000.
Without running the conversion rate, I'm assuming that this barely enough to have an fun vacation or something.
Panetta claimed that these savings limits were necessary for financial stability and to prevent users from moving their money out of banks and other financial intermediaries.
Come to think of it, when was the last time an bank run happened across the EU, anyways?
 
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The lust for power and total control has always existed within humanity; we just needed to wait for the technology to catch up.

One of these days I'm gonna find that there is a 666th chair in the European Parliament that, after we are all chipped for digital currency use, and the Al-Aqsa mosque is demolished to build the third temple, is reserved for some romanian individual who will declare himself President of Europe and declare a syncretic religion where he is some sort of prophet the only religion allowed and people will be like "Duh, those fundies and their autistic spergs"
 
One of these days I'm gonna find that there is a 666th chair in the European Parliament that, after we are all chipped for digital currency use, and the Al-Aqsa mosque is demolished to build the third temple, is reserved for some romanian individual who will declare himself President of Europe and declare a syncretic religion where he is some sort of prophet the only religion allowed and people will be like "Duh, those fundies and their autistic spergs"
Sounds interesting. Maybe you should write a book about that.
 
Modern Europeans do as they're told. They are perfectly mundane.

Meanwhile I am shaving off bits of gold to use at the general store. I'm interesting!

You are being unfair there.

Get in Government somewhere in Europe and tell them that in order to more efficiently punish big bad Putin you're going to make your country rely entirely in nuclear power, you'll be forced out of government by an angry mob in no time.
 
Why is every crackpot 00's christian conspiracy theory becoming true?

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. All the stuff the conservative Christians were warning us about and that I made fun of in the 90's and early 2000's is starting to come true.

Sounds interesting. Maybe you should write a book about that.

Oh man, I downloaded that series on a lark and read a couple of them for the first time since middle school. So incredibly bad.
 
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. All the stuff the conservative Christians were warning us about and that I made fun of in the 90's and early 2000's is starting to come true.

Spooky. If all their websites and all honest to god (no pun intended) conspiracy theory online spaces were not diligently scrubbed after 2016 we would be in for a ride.

Actually, it is in general a shame that most of the Web 1.1 is gone. Internet archeology would bring about much needed perspective.
 
Bye bye homeless people that ask for tips, bye bye street musicians, bye bye food carts
Food carts will likely have a euro-coin point-of-sale device which they need to get a loicense for.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. All the stuff the conservative Christians were warning us about and that I made fun of in the 90's and early 2000's is starting to come true.

To be fair it's not like the antichrist crawled his way out of hell last Wednesday or anything. Where we are today is the product of the event set in motion yesterday. Also governments have always had a penchant for centralising power and becoming more authoritarian. So it's not like this was a completely unexpected development.
 
Yes? That's what self-resetting UBI actually entails. They wouldn't be doing this for any other reasons. This isn't real money, it's Company Store Credit, which when fully implemented will reset to the hypothetical 1000 units every month no matter how much or how little users have spent. Its usage will be restricted to The Company Store (ie the corporations who replaced all the small businesses) and is only being considered at all to head off inflation in real fiat currency, protect landlords and energy providers from ruination in the domestic sector, and to place an insurmountable distance between the Haves and Have Nots.

Did people really think they were going to pay us for free for simply breathing in and out? That 3000 future unit capacity is almost certainly based on current inflation tragectory that altered the lyrics to a very classic 1967 song from $26 to $231.99, now taking into account the impact of deploying literal Mickey Mouse Money alongside.

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