EU The digital Euro may have spending limits - The European Central Bank considers restricting how people spend their money. CBDCs are coming, sooner than you think, and not just for the EU.

The digital euro may have spending limits
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By Tom Parker
2022-11-10 19:46:20GMT

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Fabio Panetta, an Executive Board Member of the European Central Bank (ECB), has proposed that users of the digital euro should only be allowed to spend €50 per transaction and have a maximum monthly spending limit of just €1,000 if they want to avoid having their transaction data recorded by the ECB.

The digital euro is the European Union’s (EU’s) proposed central bank digital currency (CBDC) and officials involved with the project have already confirmed that it will have less anonymity than cash.

But during an appearance at a “Towards a legislative framework for a digital euro” event (which was jointly organized by the European Commission (EC), the executive branch of the EU, and the ECB), Panetta and other officials discussed further restrictions that they hope to impose when the digital euro rolls out.

Panetta proposed that the ECB should be able to see data on payments between digital euro users but that it wouldn’t hold personal data about those users. He indicated that the only way for digital euro users to possibly avoid having their payment data recorded would be to stick to “very small value payments.”

“If we allow users to do transactions up to say €50 with a maximum…volume of transactions in a given timeframe that is monthly not more than €1,000…transaction not more than 50, then one might discuss that this could not be recorded but this is a discussion which would take place,” Panetta said.

In addition to proposing strict spending limits for users that want to avoid data collection, Panetta also suggested restrictive savings limits that would limit users’ total digital euro holdings to a maximum of just €3,000.

“What we are discussing is the possibility of introducing limits for individual users,” Panetta said. “For example, we have been discussing…many numbers…€3,000.”

Panetta claimed that these savings limits were necessary for financial stability and to prevent users from moving their money out of banks and other financial intermediaries.



Another attendee at the event, German Minister of Finance Christian Lindner questioned the proposed €50 limit.

“I think €50 is very restrictive,” Lindner said. “I wonder whether people would accept €50 when they can pay in cash hundreds and…more. So, we have to…assess this very carefully. We should introduce a digital euro which is really accepted by people and not only by policymakers.”

However, Lindner also called for the digital euro to be “programable.” This refers to the ability of governments or central banks to program spending restrictions or controls into CBDCs. For example, a CBDC could be programmed so that it can only be spent at government-approved merchants or programmed to expire within a certain amount of time.



The topic of the digital euro and privacy (or lack of) was discussed by several officials at the event, including Christine Lagarde, President of the ECB.

Lagarde acknowledged that during the ECB’s public consultation, 43% of respondents had ranked privacy as the most important aspect of the digital euro.

But Lagarde rejected the public’s demand for true privacy. She said “the digital euro could replicate some cash-like features and enable greater privacy for low-value – low-risk payments, including for offline payments” but noted that these privacy-protections wouldn’t apply to most transactions.

“Full anonymity – such as offered by cash – does not appear a viable option in my opinion,” Lagarde said. “It would contravene other public policy objectives such as ensuring compliance with anti-money laundering rules and combating the financing of terrorism. And it would also make it virtually impossible to limit the use of the digital euro as a form of investment – for example via holding limits or tiered remuneration – for which identities of users need to be known.”



The digital euro is currently in the investigation phase so the proposals discussed during this event aren’t necessarily final. This investigation phase will end in 2023 and the EC has announced a legislative proposal on the digital euro for early 2023. The ECB also plans to start testing the digital euro in 2023 and roll it out fully in 2026.

While these digital euro proposals aren’t set in stone, the comments are yet another sign that the people behind CBDCs are planning to use them to introduce restrictions and surveillance features that erode privacy and give governments more control over how their citizens spend their money.

The United States (US) and China, the world’s two largest economies, have both confirmed that their CBDCs won’t provide the same level of privacy as cash. China’s digital currency will track transaction data unless the amount spent is low while the US digital dollar will be “identity verified” and “not anonymous.”

Other influential figures have also discussed and praised the dystopian implications of CBDCs becoming widespread. These implications include digital money being used for full centralized control, CBDCs being used to control what people buy, and CBDCs being linked to digital identity.
 
What's stopping people from using FedCoin and just barder & trade like old times? 3k euro in savings max, 1k spending limit per month and 50 per transaction is insane. Like, some places 3k in curency is just enough to pay for food, shelter, and various other shit necessary to live.

Stock up on food, guns, bullets, silver, lighters, matches, over the counter drugs.
 
Cryptos by nature should be decentralized. Allowing the government to control your money digitally is a mistake. Private companies such as Paypal are attempting to enforce a clause wherein they may deduct $2,500 USD from your account if you say hate speech or motivate for such actions (which are ill-defined and nebulous intentionally); Paypal had retracted the clause, but later re-instated it a few week after. If Paypal can do these types of things, who knows what the government wants to do with your money on a whim? Enacting spending limits on your own money is just a foot in the door that will eventually lead the government to do more brazen things when it comes to telling you what to do with your own money.

This is why cash is king.
 
“Full anonymity – such as offered by cash – does not appear a viable option in my opinion,” Lagarde said. “It would contravene other public policy objectives such as ensuring compliance with anti-money laundering rules and combating the financing of terrorism. And it would also make it virtually impossible to limit the use of the digital euro as a form of investment – for example via holding limits or tiered remuneration – for which identities of users need to be known.”
Hahahaha
Holy fucking shit

People will just buy items that they can barter with if you did this
My first thought exactly.
What'll it be, boys? What's gonna be the big-ticket barter item(s)?
Salt?

Bye bye homeless people that ask for tips, bye bye street musicians, bye bye food carts
Food carts will likely have a euro-coin point-of-sale device which they need to get a loicense for.
Bingo. Look at Square.

This isn't real money, it's Company Store Credit,
Bingo x2 multiplier
 
What'll it be, boys? What's gonna be the big-ticket barter item(s)?
Salt?

I vote sugar.
Sure it might seem like a luxury item, but you know everyone else is going to be practical about it and they'll get the basics but none or little of the luxuries. So when everyone has a pile of salt a cup of sugar will look very tempting.
 
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I'm beginning to think bullets are. You start sending them towards someone and they become very willing to give you the goods and services you demand.
Not really currency. If they were, they'd be top. Full on Metro in this bitch.
Power/Agency/Violence is another thing entirely
 
So why have one of these, is this Europe trying to sneak into the credit card market, again?

Britain is going first. The UK is the test pilot, it was the first thing announced by the new PM. If it works - and I suspect it will - London, New York, Dubai will roll it out across their dominion, which is almost everywhere now. The Central Banks want this to turn us all into little economic batteries that feed into their closed circuit fiat money system with or without gainful employment, a fake currency to prop up more fake curency, or at least take the heat off of it.

The end goal for government is to replace spending on the £215Bn+ pa Social Welfare Budget with Company Store Credits. No dole payments, no State pensions, no PIP, no Housing Benefit etc etc just a flat UBI credit per month across the board into a side digital account that resets itself every month to full no matter the usage level, heavily restricted on what you can and especially cannot purchase with it. Basically: food, utilities, rent, white goods for the kitchen, TV, phone, internet, shitty flatpack furniture, clothes, pharmacy, entertainment, that sort of thing. Not cars, they hate us driving cars, but I imagine you'll get your pick of generic bicycles. The lack of immediate ability to transfer the credits into money or goods that hold their value - coupled with the utter transparency of transactions - is supposedly going to cut down on black market activity too, but I think that's hugely optimistic as criminals will find a way to game the situation immediately. Anything they don't want us to have for ideological reasons, we'll simply not be able to purchase with CBDC. That will restict it to sales using money, which the unemployed will not have access to any longer. Cigarettes and alcohol, most likely, ruining another classic rock song.
 
Britain is going first. The UK is the test pilot, it was the first thing announced by the new PM. If it works - and I suspect it will - London, New York, Dubai will roll it out across their dominion, which is almost everywhere now. The Central Banks want this to turn us all into little economic batteries that feed into their closed circuit fiat money system with or without gainful employment, a fake currency to prop up more fake curency, or at least take the heat off of it.

The end goal for government is to replace spending on the £215Bn+ pa Social Welfare Budget with Company Store Credits. No dole payments, no State pensions, no PIP, no Housing Benefit etc etc just a flat UBI credit per month across the board into a side digital account that resets itself every month to full no matter the usage level, heavily restricted on what you can and especially cannot purchase with it. Basically: food, utilities, rent, white goods for the kitchen, TV, phone, internet, shitty flatpack furniture, clothes, pharmacy, entertainment, that sort of thing. Not cars, they hate us driving cars, but I imagine you'll get your pick of generic bicycles. The lack of immediate ability to transfer the credits into money or goods that hold their value - coupled with the utter transparency of transactions - is supposedly going to cut down on black market activity too, but I think that's hugely optimistic as criminals will find a way to game the situation immediately. Anything they don't want us to have for ideological reasons, we'll simply not be able to purchase with CBDC. That will restict it to sales using money, which the unemployed will not have access to any longer. Cigarettes and alcohol, most likely, ruining another classic rock song.
They might test pilot it in a few areas, but I don't see FedCoin rolling out until the elites actually crash the global economy.

And even when they do roll it out globally, it'll be a disaster. Bureaucracies can't do shit right the first time. Tons of crashes. People getting millions of credits. Some having negative amounts. Places can't connect to the central server.
 
Anything they don't want us to have for ideological reasons, we'll simply not be able to purchase with CBDC.
I would advise everyone to locally archive LockPickingLawyer's and BosnianBill's Lock Lab videos and become proficient with basic lockpicking. Like any other learned skill, with time invested and practice, you can fairly quickly become proficient with your new hobby. I have no particular reason for mentioning this, and it certainly doesn't apply to the message I quoted.
 
Britain is going first. The UK is the test pilot, it was the first thing announced by the new PM. If it works - and I suspect it will - London, New York, Dubai will roll it out across their dominion, which is almost everywhere now. The Central Banks want this to turn us all into little economic batteries that feed into their closed circuit fiat money system with or without gainful employment, a fake currency to prop up more fake curency, or at least take the heat off of it.

The end goal for government is to replace spending on the £215Bn+ pa Social Welfare Budget with Company Store Credits. No dole payments, no State pensions, no PIP, no Housing Benefit etc etc just a flat UBI credit per month across the board into a side digital account that resets itself every month to full no matter the usage level, heavily restricted on what you can and especially cannot purchase with it. Basically: food, utilities, rent, white goods for the kitchen, TV, phone, internet, shitty flatpack furniture, clothes, pharmacy, entertainment, that sort of thing. Not cars, they hate us driving cars, but I imagine you'll get your pick of generic bicycles. The lack of immediate ability to transfer the credits into money or goods that hold their value - coupled with the utter transparency of transactions - is supposedly going to cut down on black market activity too, but I think that's hugely optimistic as criminals will find a way to game the situation immediately. Anything they don't want us to have for ideological reasons, we'll simply not be able to purchase with CBDC. That will restict it to sales using money, which the unemployed will not have access to any longer. Cigarettes and alcohol, most likely, ruining another classic rock song.
Thanks, King of /pol/.
 
The end goal for government is to replace spending on the £215Bn+ pa Social Welfare Budget with Company Store Credits. No dole payments, no State pensions, no PIP, no Housing Benefit etc etc just a flat UBI credit per month across the board into a side digital account that resets itself every month to full no matter the usage level, heavily restricted on what you can and especially cannot purchase with it. Basically: food, utilities, rent, white goods for the kitchen, TV, phone, internet, shitty flatpack furniture, clothes, pharmacy, entertainment, that sort of thing. Not cars, they hate us driving cars, but I imagine you'll get your pick of generic bicycles. The lack of immediate ability to transfer the credits into money or goods that hold their value - coupled with the utter transparency of transactions - is supposedly going to cut down on black market activity too, but I think that's hugely optimistic as criminals will find a way to game the situation immediately. Anything they don't want us to have for ideological reasons, we'll simply not be able to purchase with CBDC. That will restict it to sales using money, which the unemployed will not have access to any longer. Cigarettes and alcohol, most likely, ruining another classic rock song.
On the black market shit. Fucking drug dealers will take tide detergent and lego sets as payment. This way if they get busted there is no cash to take.

IRS did that weird thing with zella, cash ap, etc that if you do more than 600 dollars in a 3 month period it has to be reported.
 
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