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Do you know where I could find this? Sounds funny to read.
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Their discord. Their forums were archived and moved to discord wholesale. They only post their meeting minutes on their website as well and as their assets and claims browser. If you want they have an open invite to it on their website https://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/content/join
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You get to make him watch as his followers go first, just to rub in how powerless he is.
Would have worked too, if not for Alduin showing up to try and kill some random nobody who had gotten caught at the same time.
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That and his men don't get to watch him die proudly or whatever. Minimise the glory.
He was a Thalmor asset anyway, we all know that.
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Explain to me how this doesn't make Tullius look stupid.
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I don't think he has any reason to assume a demi-god dragon was going to drop in to conveniently spoil it. Delaying the execution for a few minutes for a bit of showboating isn't wildly hubristic.
If he'd waited several days or even tried to transport Ulfric to the capital for a huge trial, yeah I would say Tullius is a retard. He's instead taking him to the closest stronghold after catching him and removing his head. Including the player's just in case he is a hidden rebel asset.
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Ulfric was caught, bound, and gagged so he couldn't Thu'um anyone to death, and the Thalmor were even sent an invite so they could be there to verify his death as a means of asserting Imperial authority.
"Yeah, see this rebel here? He's dead. Skyrim is totally 100% under Imperial control. No need for you to keep your goons around for security reasons, thank you kindly."
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Why do you guys always assume that only Alduin could have stopped the execution?
Why do you guys always have to justify the bad/stupid writing when it comes to Tullius?
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I wouldn't assume he's completely screwed. I could see an ambush on the caravan freeing Ulfric since he's just kept in a gag that could be removed and bindings that could be cut free. (Which immediately happened once Alduin rolls in).
The opening could've easily had a bigass attack by the Stormcloaks to set things off and the player escapes in the confusion too. Could've been hidden sympathizers, turncoats, what have you.
I don't think that's the case its simply what happened at Helgen. Its not because of a Stormcloak attack, Ulfric being wilier or stronger. It's because Alduin senses the Dragonborn and comes to nuke the whole of Helgen. Though even then he does a shit job because all of the named characters escape alive.
Tullius isn't some great genius but he was going to lop off all of their heads within a matter of minutes. Its the first thing done upon arriving.
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But my point is that, logically, anything could have happened between Dark Water Crossing and Helgen. Stormcloak ambush, Thalmor ambush, bear attack, someone deciding to remove the gag around Ulfric because their hands weren't tied behind their back, etc. etc.
It isn't like the Imperials had control over Skyrim like we had over Iraq when we captured Sadam. Taking the risk was stupid. Imperial fanboys will claim Ulfric was stupid for surrendering and expecting that Tullius would take him to Cyrodiil for a trial. I'm arguing that logically, Tullius was just as stupid for thinking it was smart to take Ulfric to a fort at least two days away (based on dialogue) just to hold an extrajudicial execution when he could have just slit his throat right then and there and paraded his head on a pike for all to see.
It's bad writing all around that requires Starfield level of filling in the blanks to justify, but it's weird how often I see Imperial marks try to justify that one bit of bad writing.
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You're arguing a point that I never disagreed with. I don't think Tullius is stupid for acting as he did in the introduction but the entire situation is poorly considered. I've always assumed its in part because they wanted to emphasize the dragonborn plot over the civil war. I wish they didn't but they did.
It is anno domini 2026 and people are still arguing over Stormcloaks or Imperials. Fucking hell.
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Because it's one of the few cases that isn't bad writing. The Empire is trying to assert itself as a benevolent ruler, not an oppressive occupier. They would be at least attempting to maintain a veneer of lawful legitimacy. It's not hard to understand why they might want to capture him and execute him quietly, rather than simply kill him in the open.
Really, out of all the parts of Skyrim's writing you can pick at for sucking, that's just barely even an issue.
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If it makes you feel any better (or even if it makes you feel worse), twenty fucking years was a full decade ago.
That argument is going to be right next to DSP at the heat death of the universe.
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For who and why, though?
They are not going to win the hearts and minds of Stormcloaks and their supporters because they did an extrajudicial execution in Helgen instead of at Darkwater Crossing.
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There would be fewer witnesses (because they captured them and executed them too). So they can put the story out in the media that they held a fair trial and he was found guilty of treason, bla bla bla. If they did it in a brutal public killing it would embolden the MSGA chuds.
Personally I just think it fits anyway, because the Empire isn't at it's peak of competency in the Skyrim period, it's no longer ruled by an unquestionable divine authority and is succumbing to corruption and internal scheming and all of that. Politics, in my videogames.
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have you murdered and enslaved your inferiors today?