The Endless Drum Beating

[DubbleBubble]

It shows members logged in regardless, but not guests browsing.

I wondered about that... but wait a second. if it's showing people logged in, and not any anonymous tor uses then... who's that 1 guest that's somehow viewing but not on Tor?

 

[ForgedBlades]

Given the activity I'm seeing on the front page, there seems to be way more than 500 people logged in. I don't think the counter tracks Tor users and the number we're seeing is some weird glitch residual from the clear net domains.

 

[Golly]

All the best to you and your family, Josh. We're fine here. I wonder if it wouldn't be best to lay low for the time being anyway. I don't see what new users would do for the site in the wake of our more recent notoriety. You already had to restrict registrations this year, which is new ground for the site. I'm hoping we can take our time in onion form and better strategize a return to the surface web in the coming weeks.

 

[MelloYello]

I hate to say it but he is correct. Kiwi had 5,000 users before it went out and now that it's only on Tor it's about 430 as of this post.

Doesn't sound so bad, you have to take the Pareto-principle into account. It's likely a far greater ratio than 80/20 as well.
From a certain point of view, KF just dropped a lot of dead weight.

 

[Sneeding]

Null you need to make a counter attack with your army of catboys

 

[Jump]

Family always comes 1st. Take care Josh.
I hope you find some time to relax and enjoy some pizza.

 

[Male Idiot]

If Null is overwhelmed, we need to help him.

Tor is better than death. What about hosting a few clearnet pages like the keffals one with a tor link? Maybe from a cheap african provider?

 

[DumbDude42]

Given the activity I'm seeing on the front page, there seems to be way more than 500 people logged in. I don't think the counter tracks Tor users and the number we're seeing is some weird glitch residual from the clear net domains.

well it says

"Total: 432 (members: 431, guests: 1) plus our friends on Tor!"

which sounds like "our friends on tor" is not included in the 432 total? but i'm not sure how exactly the count works

 

[Truly Rural]

Clearnet is one giant advertisement, and you are not advertiser friendly, May you and your family always be well

 

[Crunk Sneedler]

Decentralization by itself won't work because they will eventually come for any site where people are allowed to say the emperor has no clothes.

The only long-term solution is to change the law to regulate providers of essential internet services as common carriers, i.e. if they want to provide these services at all they have to provide them to anyone. That's what Cloudflare initially said their position was for their anti-DDOS service, but because it was just their """policy""" and not something they were legally required to do, eventually the trannies were able to false flag them into submission.

I'm trying to find the silver lining in this situation: people are finally learning how to use Tor to access the onion address

Do what needs to be done Josh, shitposting can wait another day.

The silver lining I see arising from this situation is that more people will start to adopt the different anti-censorship technologies that are out there (Fediverse, Tor, Yggdrasil, I2P, P2P, proof-of-work, etc). I've long since made peace with the fact that sites like KF will likely not be able to exist on the clearnet. The move will probably thin out the user base a bit, but I think most of the dedicated kiwis will figure out how to adapt.

Should the worse-case scenario occur with APNIC, Yggdrasil could provide a means of overcoming a blockage at the registry level. As of now this isn't a terribly practical solution, but hosting KF through it could be the stress test the devs need in order to improve its resiliency.

I see this as a silver lining as well. I sent a note to John Gilmore ("Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" guy), asking whether he thinks the clearnet is actually already a lost cause for practical purposes. He didn't reply. I was hoping he might be concerned about the legacy of his most famous quote. That quote used to make us oldfags happy back in the days when the web was brand new, and all about free exchange.


I've spent a lot of time thinking about the net censorship problem, ever since Alison Rapp left me no choice but to make an account here. I've repeatedly come to the conclusion that maintaining a site that is both legal and fully uncensorable is probably not feasible. So I began to look into the p2p and blockchain networks, like IPFS and FreeNet. My concern with those has always been that if they become sufficiently inconvenient for the Emperor, congress can just pass a law criminalizing running the client. They can pass a law criminalizing any analogue of said client. Which is why I agree with @Chapper on the legal angle. Fancy cipher-math can't save us in the long run, I don't think.


Serious question: Does anyone know of any other site that lets people say what they want to say how they want to say it, like the farms does? Because my knowledge of such things is limited and I am not aware of any. That's the main reason I'm here. When I heard Gooffals was coming after the site, I more or less dropped everything I was doing to focus on this. Because I'm a forever-online, I'm afraid of grass, and I refuse to give up the fight against censorship until it's obviously lost.

 

[Chrono Legion]

Any link to a thread or something similar where I can read about that incident? I've heard vaguely of it but don't quite know the full lore.

Search titles only "CIA Nigger" in Animal Control and it comes up.

 

[Hann]

If anything, this mess finally convinced me to download tor which I should've done ages ago anyway. Love how desperately they try and sell installing a different browser as 'inconvenient' and 'inaccessible' when it takes all of 2 minutes to set up the thing, log in, and continue shitposting.

I hope you and your family are doing as well as possible given the circumstances and whatever issues/emergencies you're having will and can be sorted out quickly.

 

[Super Dilator Duel 3D]

Doesn't sound so bad, you have to take the Pareto-principle into account. It's likely a far greater ratio than 80/20 as well.
From a certain point of view, KF just dropped a lot of dead weight.

In a lot of ways this move to Tor, even if temporary should shave off a lot of the more obnoxious newfags who only come here to make personal army requests and poorly contribute to other lolcow threads. While more users to help the site grow is always nice, I have a feeling the nature of the Farms means that having this place be made up of a smaller group of more knowledgeable and dedicated posters will make the quality of the average post/thread increase tenfold.

 

[Foltest]

Best of luck Josh.
This site has been a godsend in the last few years.
Seeing that I was not all alone in the world thinking that some people were fucked up etc.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

Kiwifarms has definitely been thrown to the deepest part of the pit by all the troons and constant woke campaigns

Truly Promethean then.

I hate to say it but he is correct. Kiwi had 5,000 users before it went out and now that it's only on Tor it's about 430 as of this post.

So another 100 have arrived in the last hour. That is good.

That's like hours after all the other domains went down, though

Here's what you do: if you see some zoomer on Twatter or Instagram crying "i miss kf ", you contact them over DM and direct them to this tweet. Tell them to download Brave and hit Alt+Shift+N, then you give them the .onion address and tell them to copy-paste it into the address bar. Let's introduce the zoomers to Tor.

And now, back to shitposting. I see that uploading images is fairly decent here even and despite Tor, so I'm heading over to the Keffals thread where I'm gonna post evidence of all the virginal spam accounts that are seemingly part of an SEO/algorithmic manipulation campaign to keep the term "Kiwifarms" trending on Twatter and to boost exposure for all of the anti-KF articles. See you there! Joshua Moon is right, this does appear to be coordinated.

 

[Oxous]

Doesn't sound so bad, you have to take the Pareto-principle into account. It's likely a far greater ratio than 80/20 as well.
From a certain point of view, KF just dropped a lot of dead weight.

The number might increase as the day goes on as well. It's only early morning in most of America, so I'd expect a lot of people to get on via Tor as the day goes by. It'll be an interesting thing to watch as Rome burns around us.

 

[Beavis]

If Null is overwhelmed, we need to help him.

Tor is better than death. What about hosting a few clearnet pages like the keffals one with a tor link? Maybe from a cheap african provider?

He can transfer the .net domain, but doesn’t trust any registrars to pull some shit. It would be the best way to get people to the tor site though.

 

[Jump]

well it says

"Total: 432 (members: 431, guests: 1) plus our friends on Tor!"

which sounds like "our friends on tor" is not included in the 432 total? but i'm not sure how exactly the count works

When I was fucking around with setting up a server on TOR I learned that to the webserver incoming TOR connections all look like they are coming from 127.0.0.1.

So it showing 1 guest makes sense. There could be 100,000 people browsing via TOR but to the server they all look like they are coming from 1 IP address so its only counted as one.

 

[Meemah]

Had to download Tor, but I'll be here until the end. Take care, Josh. And Lucas will never be a woman.

 

[Notbok]

NIGGA THAT'S NUTS!