The enemies of self sufficiency. (government regulatory bodies)

[God's strongest milkman]

There are few government agents I despise more than the people who's job it is to walk up to some local farm and throw away all their hard work over bullshit. Only the most blood drenched CIA or FBI glowie or (obviously) IRS agent is worse.

Last memorial day a farm co op in michigan had nearly 100k of goods destroyed

There will be no sympathy, everything you built will be taken from you and even if you get legal representation to fight back whatever they take will be rotted or destroyed before you can do anything.

This is not limited of course to commercial agricultural enterprises. The homesteader, prepper, citizen and casual animal husbandry enjoyer can also be fucked with. If you raise any animal whatsoever and take from it any product that's either dairy or meat and you sell that to a buddy or a neighbor or a coworker then you are a felon.

The government can destroy your life over a chicken breast or a crumb of cheese. It doesn't matter the context or the circumstances you are now a federal criminal.

There's a lot of gay talk about "human rights" and I believe there can be no greater human rights than the right to self defense and the right to make and manage ones own food. If you can not protect your life or sustain it through your own labor then it isn't your life. And if your neighbor raises meat and you want to get some from him the government has no right to force him to be a felon to do so.

This thread is for the discussion of these regulations, the vile creatures that apply and enforce them and how to resist and circumvent them. Any articles of situations like this or state or federal laws you are aware of that would make self sufficiency and sharing what you have with your community illegal are appropriate for this thread.

Solutions and ideas are also appropriate.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Well, Chevron was recently overturned so if there was ever a time to challenge their authority and take it to court it's now. They now have very little legal grounds to make and enforce their regulations anymore so unless they take the nuclear route and gun you down for collecting rainwater it could be worth the risk.

 

[TooManyKittens]

So where i am... you don't sell anything like that. It is however legal to share, not sell.

To your trusted buddy you *would hand a loaded gun to* you can gift such things. And he will gift you back something later.

Obviously this only works if neither of you call it barter and there's no sale. You're friends and both would swear on that on your life.

Realistically the odds anyone will ever give a fuck are low when it's just swapping spare deer for fresh veggies with your friend but even so, on paper, in texts, and by law they are gifts with no reciprocity expected. That gift also ofc cannot be *money*. Dont be dumb.

This obviously does not scale.


Rule 1 is you dont talk about barter club.
Rule 2 is you dont talk about barter club.
Rule 3 is barter club should be with people who you trust
Rule 4 Is expect sometimes it to jot be an even trade. They'll hit you up later when something good comes around.

 

[God's strongest milkman]

When I started trading stuff with my neighbors I remember mentioning to some of them that selling meat to them is a felony and many of them were shocked. Even in very rural areas most Americans don't understand that meat and dairy are completely owned by the government.

 

[Ghost of Biden]

What are the best ways to deal with enemies of self sufficiency?

 

[YellowIsACoolColor]

What are the best ways to deal with enemies of self sufficiency?

Vote 'em out!

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Vote 'em out!

The problem is they're unelected bureaucrats and votes mean nothing to them.

 

[God's strongest milkman]

There are legislation being worked on I'm the country that can be passed to improve things

A great example bring the prime act, which has only been introduced but it's being lead by Thomas massie and it would give people a alternative to federal regulation when slaughtering meat and might even allow you to sell in state to people you know without being a criminal.

I actually took the time to call my representative and tell him to support it when null mentioned it a while back.

Chevron will of course help, but quite often it's your state regulations that will mess you up. Most states are very bad when it comes to dairy. I think delaware is moving to make selling raw milk completely legal.

 

[God's strongest milkman]

I'm always annoyed that it's randomly appointed federal judges that do these things but at least it's a good thing for once.

 

[Grub]

Wow. This has to be like the one thing America is more cucked than Canada with. Up here at least, as long as the meat was butchered in an inspected facility, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it.

I'm guessing this is about the FDA? Which, from everything I've heard about them, seem like probably the most evil American government agency out there. Yeah the CIA and FBI are pretty evil but fucking with people's food and ability to produce food is really up there on the list of heinous evil shit.

 

[Mortan Shekelstorm]

Im just trying to find somewhere I can homestead without glow niggers trying to fuck with me for existing, using none of their services. Id like to be able to setup a cabin in the woods myself with solar and wind. Just enrages me how the white mans desire to do things right, legally and more so trying to minimize potential glow nigger shenanigans. It's so cluster fucked It would be more effective to spend any fiat on supplies and get as far into the wilderness as possible and "illegally" homestead on Gods earth using all things the land gives you. I genuinely feel like a man out of time or just get schizophrenically angry at the Jewish bureaucratization and monetization of existence. It genuinely disgusts me what the modern world is today, If i had 0.1% Native blood I could get around alot of restrictions.

 

[Sperg_rancher]

Im just trying to find somewhere I can homestead without glow niggers trying to fuck with me for existing, using none of their services.

If you're in the states, get a place in a township, not an incorporated town, in a state you like. the glowies have surprisingly little power to monitor people out in the countryside.

 

[Moths]

Does simple civil disobedience work? Like say of everyone within a certain jurisdiction just disregards it and it isnt enforced does that create a legal argument when the glowniggers try to enforce it?

 

[Captain Wetbeard]

Does simple civil disobedience work? Like say of everyone within a certain jurisdiction just disregards it and it isnt enforced does that create a legal argument when the glowniggers try to enforce it?

Civil disobedience isnt about making a legal argument, its about making enforcement impractical. Glowniggers cant read your mind, if narc faggots don't know what you're doing and you don't draw a bunch of attention to yourself, then you can do basically whatever the hell you want. A wall of silence is the most effective weapon the people have against the state.

 

[Mortan Shekelstorm]

If you're in the states, get a place in a township, not an incorporated town, in a state you like. the glowies have surprisingly little power to monitor people out in the countryside.

Im looking at property in the states, preferably not complete desert land despite how cheap it is. However I do not have much fiat to spend on land, Losing a few years to mental failure does a number on your finances who knew. I may end up like King Terry or Fed Smoker living out of my car, and at this point I'm not too against it. Would have to move south for winters and keep enough fiat for fuel or eventually sell it and become a bike cuck

 

[Robotic Kiwi]

What are the best ways to deal with enemies of self sufficiency?

Shot in the dark Idea:
If you can, hire / volunteer a team of scientists / college professors to evaluate / use a part of your land while being self sufficient, since Carbon sequestion studies seems to be in style right now. It could be any study, just make sure that your land seems important enough to not be messed with. If it is messed with, gather as much information as possible about the situation, which government body is messing with you and make sure it is very public so to maximize rocking the boat so that you can prove it in the court of public opinion and law.

The idea is, if the government body pisses off enough prominent people (instead of just a few people), they will backtrack or will at least think twice from messing with the land, since its being used for a college study / scientific study.

This is only in theory, and this will probably only work if you own a large patch of land with forest in it, since I doubt this would be practical for smaller chunks of land.

 

[snowdunes]

It is however legal to share

Barter trading and gifts is something governments have some laws to pretty much shut it down if they really want to.

It should be mentioned, there are laws that states it's illegal to do barter trading if you turn a profit from it (the goods value) in some countries. You might think you are "free from this" as long it's a fair trade (you can just state it's all a net loss). But I think that if they want to shut it down, they can do the calculation of your resources value to create the product is cheaper than the end products value, and using the hike up market price for the end product as justification that there was a "net positive" value trade being made here (it gets even worse if you claim that you got the resources for free/a gift, because then the end products value is the whole net profit), so you or your friend (most likely both) gets fucked either way. They can always claim there is money or value missing that the state did not see (missed out tax opportunity...).

Don't rely on the "it's just a gift" excuses too much.

 

[God's strongest milkman]

The best thing you can do is very honestly to become very familiar with your local community. Go to church, take part in local events like festivals, do charity. The more people that you meet and that will like you the more likely you are to have friends you can make deals with and do things with. You need people that you trust.

 

[TooManyKittens]

Barter trading and gifts is something governments have some laws to pretty much shut it down if they really want to.

It should be mentioned, there are laws that states it's illegal to do barter trading if you turn a profit from it (the goods value) in some countries. You might think you are "free from this" as long it's a fair trade (you can just state it's all a net loss). But I think that if they want to shut it down, they can do the calculation of your resources value to create the product is cheaper than the end products value, and using the hike up market price for the end product as justification that there was a "net positive" value trade being made here (it gets even worse if you claim that you got the resources for free/a gift, because then the end products value is the whole net profit), so you or your friend (most likely both) gets fucked either way. They can always claim there is money or value missing that the state did not see (missed out tax opportunity...).

Don't rely on the "it's just a gift" excuses too much.

Technically you are correct however, and everything I am saying is US based except #1.

1. Why is anyone talking about this to anyone? And why would you ever keep records of smaller shit like "my friend brought me dinner" or "got traded a bike for yard work". Unless you are subject to some kind of bribe or gift reporting via employment or politics, no normal person does that. (And if you are subject to that, those laws are about bribery - not personal barter. Keep your work duties the fuck away from personal shit. But you probably know this.)

2. There is a 13k (or more now that's an old number) gift allowance in us tax code. You can get that much as gifts and you don't report that income. Its why you can give anyone anything without the irs playing sherif Nottingham in Robin hood. Unless you have some wealthy and generous family, or are making some seriously high value bartering, the IRS is in fact, not involved.

The gift giver is on the hook for nothing here. I can in fact give away my entire savings if I want and every possession I own. Its on the recipient to report it on their taxes if required. As long as I am not claiming it as some kind of fraudulent deduction, which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about anyways, there's quite nothing for the IRS to do here.

3. If in some world you happened to manage to clear over the gift limit of value... an impressive feat, or you manage to barter in such a way theres anything to report to the irs, you can in fact find ways to report the additional income and not commit a tax crime. However, im not sure how the hell you actually wind up in the situation where you need to do this.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

The gift giver is on the hook for nothing here. I can in fact give away my entire savings if I want and every possession I own. Its on the recipient to report it on their taxes if required. As long as I am not claiming it as some kind of fraudulent deduction, which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about anyways, there's quite nothing for the IRS to do here.

Good points but want to clarify this piece, gifts are taxable to the person making the gift and not the recipient. It's the opposite of taxes on earned income and conceptually similar to estate tax.

If you make a taxable gift you have the requirement to report it and pay the taxes.