The Final Fantasy Thread

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

But it's not that simple. Each Cait sith is fully autonomous and loyal to Reeve, on top of having its own personality. On top of that, in FF7 Cait Sith jumps between being a radio for Reeve to communicate to the party and speaking on his own, and there's no cue to tell which is which. The details of this are never elaborated on, beyond Reeve having a "special connection" to all the automatons he creates, which depending on your source may just be called a psychic link. How Mog, the giant moogle doll Cait rides in 7, fits into all of this is also unclear

For example, the Cait Sith that sacrifices himself to form the black materia specifically states that another Cait Sith will replace him but that they're all unique from each other and have their own memories, but outside of these scenes and his introduction, it's never brought up again and almost every important moment revolving around Cait Sith after this is implied to be Reeve.

Reeve is acting like a goofy fortune teller where Cait is the transmitter that controls the robot mog body? Not everything has to be magic based in FF VII.

 

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In cutscenes or diaries?

The secret reports you had to unlock. Warrior of Light's full origin and the nature of his relationship with Cid is elaborated upon there.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I kinda like the idea of Dissidia happening before his NES adventures.

 

[Dread First]

I kinda like the idea of Dissidia happening before his NES adventures.

Eh... the story for Dissidia wasn't that good to begin with. Playing through everything again as an adult kinda makes me whinge at how bad the dialogue is (even as a kid, I was underwhelmed at the story until the Shade Impulse/bonus story content plays out). Regardless, it's still charming in its own "so bad and cheesy that it's legitimately entertaining" kind of way.

If there's one complaint that I have with Dissidia, it would have to be with 012's decision to include Vaan over Basch. Like for the love of God man, we already had Gabranth! I would've loved to see Basch guarding Cosmos instead of Shantotto when Gabranth shows up to end it all in a previous cycle.

 

[Cisna H. Scumale]

If there's one complaint that I have with Dissidia, it would have to be with 012's decision to include Vaan over Basch. Like for the love of God man, we already had Gabranth! I would've loved to see Basch guarding Cosmos instead of Shantotto when Gabranth shows up to end it all in a previous cycle.

Anyone would've been a better hero pick than Vaan. Ashe, Balthier, Basch.

Shit, even Fran, Larsa and Penelo have a more distinct fighting style than whatever Vaan's was.

 

[Dread First]

Shit, even Fran, Larsa and Penelo have a more distinct fighting style than whatever Vaan's was.

Vaan was just a blatant ripoff of Bartz's gimmick... which Bartz himself doesn't even do that well to begin with!

 

[Captain Syrup]

Shit, even Fran, Larsa and Penelo have a more distinct fighting style than whatever Vaan's was.

I'll say this for Fran: no weapon has been found to be too silly for her. She looks perfectly at home wielding a mallet, flintlock, or Hatori Hanzo steel.

 

[Cisna H. Scumale]

I'll say this for Fran: no weapon has been found to be to silly for her. She looks perfectly at home wielding a mallet, flintlock, or katana.

I would prefer to go with Penelo. At least as joke character who dances around the battle blasting white blobs at people.

That and her character commentary bits in the first dissidia game was pretty funny and gave her more personality than the main game ever did.

To Cloud: "All he does is worry and mope around... "Not interested"? More like not interesting, if you ask me."
To Squall: "All he does is worry and mope around... Instead of always talking to himself, maybe HE'S the one who should go talk to a wall!"

 

[Dread First]

I would prefer to go with Penelo. At least as joke character who dances around the battle blasting white blobs at people.

That and her character commentary bits in the first dissidia game was pretty funny and gave her more personality than the main game ever did.

To Cloud: "All he does is worry and mope around... "Not interested"? More like not interesting, if you ask me."
To Squall: "All he does is worry and mope around... Instead of always talking to himself, maybe HE'S the one who should go talk to a wall!"

Why is it always the edgiest characters that have the flashiest and arguably most broken movesets? Squall's a REALLY fast and agile close-to-mid range fighter and his Beat Fang is RIDICULOUSLY easy to loop because of the fast startup and next to no endlag on a successful combo. Cloud on the other hand is really slow, but almost every attack (even his brave attacks) are capable of getting wall rush damage on you.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Why is it always the edgiest characters that have the flashiest and arguably most broken movesets?

Because Squall is Nomura's self-insert character. His only flaw is that he's too perfect.

 

[Dread First]

Because Squall is Nomura's self-insert character. His only flaw is that he's too perfect.

Well that and also, Squall has an extremely horrible matchup against Exdeath. Seriously, time your blocks right on the Beat Fang and you can easily send them flying halfway across the stage, even in enclosed maps like Omega World of Darkness or Castle Pandaemonium.

 

[Soycast Guy]

Because Squall is Nomura's self-insert character. His only flaw is that he's too perfect.

So Squall would be a gary-stu?

 

[Cisna H. Scumale]

So Squall would be a gary-stu?

I'm pretty sure that's still Genesis from VII Crisis Core or Noctis before the game was FFXV

 

[Muttnik]

I'm pretty sure that's still Genesis from VII Crisis Core or Noctis before the game was FFXV

Genesis at least is described as arrogant and vastly physically inferior to Sephiroth. As well as morally inferior to Angeal. Pretty sure he spends most of Crisis Core getting his ass kicked for being an annoying little shit.

 

[Cisna H. Scumale]

Genesis at least is described as arrogant and vastly physically inferior to Sephiroth.

You mean like in the cutscene when he's fighting Sephiroth on top of the Junon cannon with all the hyper-anime fighting garbage where he is able to keep up with the villain the original game exclaims was a horrifying badass. That's not vastly. The game is establishing that Genesis is monstrously powerful like Sephiroth

As well as morally inferior to Angeal.

Angeal's a faggot. Who cares

Pretty sure he spends most of Crisis Core getting his ass kicked for being an annoying little shit.

We see his G-copies getting wasted, not the OG character. And Nomura intends for you to think Genesis is profound for quoting a play a dozen times, and retcon the Nibelheim incident as Genesis revealing to Sephiroth about Jenova.

I can concede that Genesis isn't a Gary-Sue, but he's one hell of a self-insert villain that Nomura really thinks people will find compelling but they're actually fucking retarded. Just like his latter villain-sues like Xehenort.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

The thing I hated the most about Genesis was that he was treated as such a major character in Crisis Core yet he received basically no closure. You spend so much of the game chasing after him, but once you beat him he just kinda fucks off, never to be seen again. If you looked at Crisis Core by itself, Genesis stuck out like a sore thumb; the main story with Zack and his emotional struggles are so good but Genesis feels incredibly tacked on, and yet there's so much emphasis on him. Thing was, I never finished Dirge of Cerberus so I had no idea he had been introduced before and that Crisis Core partially served as his backstory, and even then he only appeared in a secret ending. So what we have here is some supposedly major character introduced in a secret ending to a game most people dislike getting his backstory in a game that's ostensibly about another, more popular character's backstory.

It's a good thing Crisis Core is awesome and the character stuff with Zack is top-notch because Genesis could have very easily ruined the game's story. As it stands he's more like a weird benign tumor; he's not bad enough to discredit the game entirely but you'd rather he wasn't there to begin with.

 

[Megaroad 2012]

I'm hellbent on finally beating Final Fantasy XII. Playing Switch version, at the place I found myself stopping at a few times before (early sky town area).

Vaan isn't too interesting, my only complaint so far but I can replace him when out in the field. From my understanding Sqeenix's meddling beyond Vaan and Penello appears the more you go on (two Cids lol), but I really this world and the dialog is really great. I also find it kind of chill to play, like an older MMO with some cool gameplay ideas and classes.

 

[The Penultimate Warrior]

What is it with FF games of this era and their God awful minigames? I've now tried the Chocobo training in FFX about 20 times and I can't even get past their first trial.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

What is it with FF games of this era and their God awful minigames? I've now tried the Chocobo training in FFX about 20 times and I can't even get past their first trial.

And you haven't seen lightning dodging!

 

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Eh... the story for Dissidia wasn't that good to begin with. Playing through everything again as an adult kinda makes me whinge at how bad the dialogue is (even as a kid, I was underwhelmed at the story until the Shade Impulse/bonus story content plays out). Regardless, it's still charming in its own "so bad and cheesy that it's legitimately entertaining" kind of way.

Dissidia's dialogue isn't that good and has frequent midway pauses, but I thought Duodecim was thoroughly enjoyable. All Chaos/Garland scenes are peak Final Fantasy.

It's a good thing Crisis Core is awesome and the character stuff with Zack is top-notch because Genesis could have very easily ruined the game's story. As it stands he's more like a weird benign tumor; he's not bad enough to discredit the game entirely but you'd rather he wasn't there to begin with.

I'm still waiting for him to appear in Kingdom Hearts.