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Much like with the FBI's report on the handling of the Clinton Email investigation, I don't care what the mainstream outlets will have to say about the FISA Report. This report is over 400 pages long and not a word of it leaked to the press ahead of time, and on top of that they're all window-licking idiots so I couldn't give half of a rat's ass what they have to say about it. I'm sure that at some point one of them will manage to push out a good article about it, but I want this thread to be a repository and a page-by-page examination of the report and its contents independent from journalistic vomit.

If you need a primer on what exactly FISA surveillance even means, there's an excellent primer for it over here, and the same author also wrote a long article concerning the oddities in Carter Page's FISA warrant over here. In the event that you're just curious about how we got to this point or want an overall history of the entire debacle, there's a summary for all of that over here.

The gist of it is that FISA Title I and Title III surveillance require there be probable cause to believe the proposed target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. They're explicitly designed for foreign spies. These warrants are not supposed to be used against U.S. citizens without a goddamned good reason, and yet that's exactly what happened, and it happened multiple times. It also conveniently just happened to be people in Trump's campaign that were campaign managers who got hit with these FISA warrants, meaning that because of the Three-Hop Rule, the Obama administration was essentially given free reign to spy on literally everyone in Trump's campaign, including Trump himself.

If you were wondering why Horowitz' investigation had to dip so far back to the point where it completely predated all of the Russiagate crap then congratulations, you're asking yourself a smart question. It all had to be rewound to the very beginning because at the very start of this, the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was predicated on a hoax, and then everything that came after that hoax just piled onto the lies. Every breathless second the media screamed about Russian collusion, every politician screaming about impeaching "Trump, the Russian Asset", all of it was built on top of this one, original lie, and without it the entire house of cards just falls to pieces.

The reason that Horowitz dug all the way back into the FISA warrants is because one man proved beyond any shadow of any doubt that these warrants could not have been obtained legally. Mueller's Special Counsel proved beyond a doubt that the entire Trump-Russia collusion story was nothing more than a wild conspiracy theory. There has never been evidence put forward to prove that a word of it was real, and because of that, there clearly was not probable cause to allow for FISA warrants to be obtained against Trump campaign members. Despite what so many people were expecting Mueller to do, the only thing that Mueller's S.C. succeeded at doing was stripping away the cover story for the spying on the Trump campaign.

Whether or not that was intentional is anyone's guess and you're likely never going to be able to prove the Mueller "White hat/Black hat" theory one way or the other anyways, so it's a bit of a moot point. The fact remains that at the very end of his investigation, it was proven that there was no definitive evidence or probable cause to assume that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia. Now you know why it was Rod Rosenstein's job to give these frantic, desperate bloodhounds the wider and ever-widening scope they kept asking of him. At the end of this, when Mueller himself was going to be forced to admit he couldn't find any evidence, it was game over for the Collusion Narrative.

Thank you, Robert Mueller.

The only real questions left are as to how the Steele Dossier (Remember that one? It's been awhile.) wound up being shoved ass-first into these FISA warrants even though the Steele Dossier was a remarkably flawed piece of opposition research, and how the FISA warrants were renewed four times in the absence of any legitimate evidence. I'm expecting to hear quite a bit about Rudolph Contreras and the FISC court somewhere in this report, because there were a lot of questions surrounding that whole mess that are in desperate need of an answer.

Either way, I don't want to write a preamble longer than the fucking report itself, so let's see how idiotic our government was with the FISA warrants.
 
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I can tell you exactly why this was allowed to happen, Horowitz. She was never supposed to lose.

I was gonna say...all this stuff is so very far from being done clandestinely; there's no way people wouldn't find it if they wanted to look for it. The only conclusion would have to be that they expected Clinton to win, right? That's the only way they wouldn't be found out.

Granted, whether anything actually comes of this anyway is still up in the air, but still.
 
Can somebody explain to me why some sections of the report is blacklisted? It's public information already, why omit some parts from the investigation?
 
Can somebody explain to me why some sections of the report is blacklisted? It's public information already, why omit some parts from the investigation?
Redacted information in this report is likely because it's still part of an ongoing investigation. Durham and Barr have both said that even with the release of this FISA report, their investigations aren't finished, yet.
 
I was gonna say...all this stuff is so very far from being done clandestinely; there's no way people wouldn't find it if they wanted to look for it. The only conclusion would have to be that they expected Clinton to win, right? That's the only way they wouldn't be found out.

Granted, whether anything actually comes of this anyway is still up in the air, but still.
That's exactly what it was, and it's the same reason they are so desperate to get rid of trump.
 
Redacted information in this report is likely because it's still part of an ongoing investigation. Durham and Barr have both said that even with the release of this FISA report, their investigations aren't finished, yet.
So what your Analysis showed

the only thing this whole chain of dominos had starting it was an offhanded remark to an australian diplomate, the Steele Dossier (which is bogus) and thats it
 
That's exactly what it was, and it's the same reason they are so desperate to get rid of trump.
If the Democratic Party was smart and long-term, they would simply let Trump be the idiot they portray him to be and let him fuck up in his own devices. I am not politically sound, but it looks to me that they are deliberately making stuff up into overdrive in the hopes he would just admit to whatever investigation they lay on him.

OR, Trump is so cunning, he has more than one tie to whatever political or financial influence, they're missing one crucial detail to really drive it home. It seems to me that even with all the media presence and public dislike towards Trump, it'd be easy to impeach the guy and move on. It was easy for him to be put on the ballot.

This is such a convoluted mess, I can't wrap my head on how through this is, yet it is leading nowhere. All they are doing is hurting themselves and giving Trump re-election. Is that what they want?
 
Would you care to make.. a wager?

After watching Hillary totally skate on an unsecure server that was hacked by every foreign intelligence agency out there, deleted emails, bleach-bitting devices (she was just "careless", not guilty of anything wrong, uh-huh), I wouldn't bet two Mexican pesos something will actually come of this.

Doesn't stop me from being optimistic that THIS time it will be different! :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic:

Meh, who am I fooling? SSDD. We have become a third-world Banana Republic where an orchestrated coup attempt on a sitting president by our own FBI is just another nothing burger. I find that disgusting.
 
It's not his job to make determinations about motivations, his job is purely to hoard up information and offer recommendations for ways to avoid these sorts of behaviours in the future. He's the "who and how". That's probably the primary reason as to why Durham is disagreeing with some of the findings in this report. Barr and Durham's jobs are to make determinations about motivations, and Durham's apparently a little bit pissed off. Barr doesn't seem very pleased about it, either.

This report is a fact-finding expedition, not a "throw their ass in jail right now" expedition. That's not Horowitz's job and it never was.
Then why did he even comment on bias if it's entirely outside the scope? It's like Meuller saying "well I didn't prove him NOT guilty of some stuff!"

Was Horowitz just throwing the Dems a bone so they can have their talking point?
 
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I almost missed that on my first pass through here. All of the issues that the OIG found as part of this investigation were apparently so egregious that they've begun an audit of the past fifteen years concerning Woods procedures. Apparently Horowitz and the OIG are assuming that this isn't just an isolated issue, but rather an ongoing, systematic problem throughout the entire Department of Justice.

You don't just audit fifteen fucking years of activity for no reason. That doesn't just happen.
That is one scathingly spicy review. Mainstream media would have to outright rewrite content well outside the author's original intent (like how that OGC Attorney covered by @Yotsubaaa altered the email) if they want the participants of this mess to walk away with any shred of dignity left.
 
So... all those articles saying that the report was a nothingburger... did they not receive the same papers?

It is more about stopping people from looking into it themselves than it is about informing them and to do that they needed to drop articles before people who have actual journalistic integrity would put forth facts.

This report is not a nothing burger. There are sections I just keep reading over and over because I cannot believe how egregiously the FBI broke the rules to assure they got the result they wanted.
 
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I almost missed that on my first pass through here. All of the issues that the OIG found as part of this investigation were apparently so egregious that they've begun an audit of the past fifteen years concerning Woods procedures. Apparently Horowitz and the OIG are assuming that this isn't just an isolated issue, but rather an ongoing, systematic problem throughout the entire Department of Justice.

You don't just audit fifteen fucking years of activity for no reason. That doesn't just happen.
But you do it to say 'well, they did it too'
 
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Well they tucked it deep inside of a little footnote, but I was hoping they'd talk about this one way or the other. How is it that when the DNC/Clinton Campaign was the victim of an attack, the FBI immediately informed her campaign of the suspicious activity, but when Trump's campaign was "suspected of infiltration by the Russian government" Trump didn't get so much as a postcard?

They didn't think that Trump himself was colluding with the Russians because they never tried to obtain a direct warrant against him, so why wasn't he appraised of the supposed threats occurring within his own campaign team? According to McCabe it's apparently because it was a "completely different situation." That's neat. Why?
 
Well they tucked it deep inside of a little footnote, but I was hoping they'd talk about this one way or the other. How is it that when the DNC/Clinton Campaign was the victim of an attack, the FBI immediately informed her campaign of the suspicious activity, but when Trump's campaign was "suspected of infiltration by the Russian government" Trump didn't get so much as a postcard?

According to McCabe it's apparently because it was a "completely different situation." That's neat. Why?
Because it was Her turn.
 
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Well they tucked it deep inside of a little footnote, but I was hoping they'd talk about this one way or the other. How is it that when the DNC/Clinton Campaign was the victim of an attack, the FBI immediately informed her campaign of the suspicious activity, but when Trump's campaign was "suspected of infiltration by the Russian government" Trump didn't get so much as a postcard?

They didn't think that Trump himself was colluding with the Russians because they never tried to obtain a direct warrant against him, so why wasn't he appraised of the supposed threats occurring within his own campaign team? According to McCabe it's apparently because it was a "completely different situation." That's neat. Why?
Also their was a known Pakistani hacker of the DNC who was hired by senior DNC leadership
 
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