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Much like with the FBI's report on the handling of the Clinton Email investigation, I don't care what the mainstream outlets will have to say about the FISA Report. This report is over 400 pages long and not a word of it leaked to the press ahead of time, and on top of that they're all window-licking idiots so I couldn't give half of a rat's ass what they have to say about it. I'm sure that at some point one of them will manage to push out a good article about it, but I want this thread to be a repository and a page-by-page examination of the report and its contents independent from journalistic vomit.

If you need a primer on what exactly FISA surveillance even means, there's an excellent primer for it over here, and the same author also wrote a long article concerning the oddities in Carter Page's FISA warrant over here. In the event that you're just curious about how we got to this point or want an overall history of the entire debacle, there's a summary for all of that over here.

The gist of it is that FISA Title I and Title III surveillance require there be probable cause to believe the proposed target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. They're explicitly designed for foreign spies. These warrants are not supposed to be used against U.S. citizens without a goddamned good reason, and yet that's exactly what happened, and it happened multiple times. It also conveniently just happened to be people in Trump's campaign that were campaign managers who got hit with these FISA warrants, meaning that because of the Three-Hop Rule, the Obama administration was essentially given free reign to spy on literally everyone in Trump's campaign, including Trump himself.

If you were wondering why Horowitz' investigation had to dip so far back to the point where it completely predated all of the Russiagate crap then congratulations, you're asking yourself a smart question. It all had to be rewound to the very beginning because at the very start of this, the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was predicated on a hoax, and then everything that came after that hoax just piled onto the lies. Every breathless second the media screamed about Russian collusion, every politician screaming about impeaching "Trump, the Russian Asset", all of it was built on top of this one, original lie, and without it the entire house of cards just falls to pieces.

The reason that Horowitz dug all the way back into the FISA warrants is because one man proved beyond any shadow of any doubt that these warrants could not have been obtained legally. Mueller's Special Counsel proved beyond a doubt that the entire Trump-Russia collusion story was nothing more than a wild conspiracy theory. There has never been evidence put forward to prove that a word of it was real, and because of that, there clearly was not probable cause to allow for FISA warrants to be obtained against Trump campaign members. Despite what so many people were expecting Mueller to do, the only thing that Mueller's S.C. succeeded at doing was stripping away the cover story for the spying on the Trump campaign.

Whether or not that was intentional is anyone's guess and you're likely never going to be able to prove the Mueller "White hat/Black hat" theory one way or the other anyways, so it's a bit of a moot point. The fact remains that at the very end of his investigation, it was proven that there was no definitive evidence or probable cause to assume that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia. Now you know why it was Rod Rosenstein's job to give these frantic, desperate bloodhounds the wider and ever-widening scope they kept asking of him. At the end of this, when Mueller himself was going to be forced to admit he couldn't find any evidence, it was game over for the Collusion Narrative.

Thank you, Robert Mueller.

The only real questions left are as to how the Steele Dossier (Remember that one? It's been awhile.) wound up being shoved ass-first into these FISA warrants even though the Steele Dossier was a remarkably flawed piece of opposition research, and how the FISA warrants were renewed four times in the absence of any legitimate evidence. I'm expecting to hear quite a bit about Rudolph Contreras and the FISC court somewhere in this report, because there were a lot of questions surrounding that whole mess that are in desperate need of an answer.

Either way, I don't want to write a preamble longer than the fucking report itself, so let's see how idiotic our government was with the FISA warrants.
 
It's pretty much clear now that the Beaurocracy, carried over from the Obama Administration, used the patriot act for internal political matters. That is the tl;dr I am taking from this.

What is worse is that they used the patriot act fully expecting to find something they could use. Knowing (probably correctly) that their blatant abuse of the sweeping powers the patriot act gave them would be ignored in the firestorm of the scandal they uncovered.

But they uncovered NOTHING. Uh oh. Now people might ask questions about why the patriot act is being used to target political campaigns and why unelected officials have somehow gotten enough power to bypass pesky things like the constitution.

So they are tripling down on this impeachment debacle. I am legit furious now. The patriot act was always a snake in the grass but now its finally reared its head by being used as a tool for the Federal beuarocracy to unseat a president they do not like.
 
unelected officials have somehow gotten enough power to bypass pesky things like the constitution.
Things that should have been asked 50-60 years ago for 1000 Alex, we have been violating massive swaths of the Constitution for Generations now.
 
Might be nothing, but I found this curious: why redact only the day number in the date?

Something I was wondering too, on why a lot of the dates are redacted about the Carter Page FISA, because it was leaked by James Wolfe to his Cuckfeed media whore Ali Watkins. At least that's what we thought... turns out, in perhaps the only wily thing Jeff Sessions has ever done, is he released version(s?) of documents with fraudulent dates intended to trap leakers, and that was how they busted that loser Wolfe. But that's that, right, so now why are the true dates still redacted since a leaker has been nailed? Are there still more false versions out there waiting to trap more unscrupulous leakers?

Conservative Treehouse thinks it's just part of an even larger cover up. The DOJ is still covering it up, because of corruption in the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

The Department of Justice basically allowed Wolfe to get away with the crimes of leaking classified information by pleading down to one lesser charge of lying because it risked implicating Democrat Senator Mark Warner, and possibly many other members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. They all pressured the courts to go easy on the poor guy... after he threatened to subpoena all of them to appear at his trial. So they think the redactions are a cover up that they are stuck doing forever, because to admit the real dates would be to admit that the SSCI and DOJ are both corrupt.
 
Excellent covering of the report by @It's HK-47 and @Yotsubaaa. I was thinking of joining in the analysis myself, and I did read the executive summary before this thread, but as always, it is an education experience reading these posts.

And speaking of shady FBI "investigation", holy moly. Steele outright admitted that he was politically motivated to prevent Trump's re-election. I had suspicions that the reports would be more than a nothingburger, but when I read that part, I knew that seriously shady shit has gone down. If I finish the report, I may give my full thoughts because there is so much to go through.

This is disgraceful, and I hope Barr starts putting these scums in cuffs. No wonder why the DNC scheduled their farce of an impeachment hearing for today. They tried - and failed - to drag attention away from their own fuck-ups.
 
It's funny on Facebook all the comments on the NPR story are about how the FBI was completely exonerated and calling people bringing attention to stuff like we're discussing here conspiracy theorists and Russian bots. It's pretty obvious that none of them have actually looked at the report either.
 
And speaking of shady FBI "investigation", holy moly. Steele outright admitted that he was politically motivated to prevent Trump's re-election. I had suspicions that the reports would be more than a nothingburger, but when I read that part, I knew that seriously shady shit has gone down. If I finish the report, I may give my full thoughts because there is so much to go through.
The sheer number of people I've seen elsewhere ranting and raving about how this report "accomplishes nothing" because no one is immediately being frog-marched the moment that it dropped is just irritating. I've seen more than a few people gripe about how it's bullshit that the report explicitly states that they found no evidences of bias, ergo it's all just one big, fat cover-up, but they just completely miss the fundamental point of an OIG investigation.

An OIG report views issues from a perspective of compliance with DOJ and FBI procedures. Without some sort of documented evidence explicitly stating that an agent is going to intentionally sabotage or frame a person of interest, they can't possibly draw that conclusion because it's outside of their purview and not what they're here to do in the first place. In the entire history of the OIG they have never directly arrested a single person, and unless something goes extraordinarily wrong in this country, they never will.

The OIG amasses information and passes that relevant information down the line along with recommendations to correct any problems that it found, and from there it's up to other agencies to determine whether or not to pursue the OIG's recommendations be it in the form of policy adjustments or prosecutions.

Any outlet currently trying to spin this as a negative because it didn't immediately result in arrests is an outlet that's either populated by idiots who don't know how anything works, or liars who are just sowing disinformation to fuel rage-bait traffic. That, or people who never even bothered to read the report and are purely basing their opinions on headlines. Either way, Horowitz was never going to arrest anyone; that's just not what the OIG does. Following this report, the ball gets thrown into Barr and Durham's court.

It's 1AM now, though, so I'm going to have to pick this up again in the morning. It looks like there's a lot of really interesting things towards the latter half of this report, but the middle part is a bit of a slog.
 
'Exonerated' of politically motivated espionage. Which was easy to do considering assuming motives are outside the purview of the report.
Sure as shit weren't 'exonerated' of not breaking the rules a dozen times over in such a manner that it resulted in the targeting of a US citizen running for office against establishment politicians.
 
An OIG report views issues from a perspective of compliance with DOJ and FBI procedures. Without some sort of documented evidence explicitly stating that an agent is going to intentionally sabotage or frame a person of interest, they can't possibly draw that conclusion because it's outside of their purview and not what they're here to do in the first place. In the entire history of the OIG they have never directly arrested a single person, and unless something goes extraordinarily wrong in this country, they never will.

Didn't we just have this stupid ass argument in the Muller report? "Here is the information, We can't do anything with it that is up to the putzes in congress." and the Left was REEEing about how Trump was still in deep shit because Muller couldn't actually draw conclusions and Nancy would nail him to the wall?

Edit : Just as an aside, anyone paying attention to this should probably keep an eye out for Glenn Beck's radio show tomorrow, he has had Jason Buttrill go over the previous things such as The Muller Report the day after it came out.

Also to end the proceedings of the night on a fun note.

 
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Thank you @It's HK-47 - You belong on Tucker Carlson's research staff (if you're not there already)
Reddit is crowing that surely this is the final proof that Donald Trump is going to be sent to jail.
Watching /r/politics go from pro-Bernie to Team Hillary overnight is enough proof that the sub is 90% bot, 9% NPC and 1% shitposter.
"It was up to buzzfeed to print it.............a cat blog" 😸
b-b-but Muh Pulitzer-Prize winning news division!
 
No, I'm literally just some random idiot on the internet and I'd never want to be anything more than that.

What if I gave you all the Tacos you could eat? Then if I ever get elected will you be my autistic idiot going through shit so I can laugh at the morons?
 
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The sheer number of people I've seen elsewhere ranting and raving about how this report "accomplishes nothing" because no one is immediately being frog-marched the moment that it dropped is just irritating. I've seen more than a few people gripe about how it's bullshit that the report explicitly states that they found no evidences of bias, ergo it's all just one big, fat cover-up, but they just completely miss the fundamental point of an OIG investigation.

An OIG report views issues from a perspective of compliance with DOJ and FBI procedures. Without some sort of documented evidence explicitly stating that an agent is going to intentionally sabotage or frame a person of interest, they can't possibly draw that conclusion because it's outside of their purview and not what they're here to do in the first place. In the entire history of the OIG they have never directly arrested a single person, and unless something goes extraordinarily wrong in this country, they never will.

The OIG amasses information and passes that relevant information down the line along with recommendations to correct any problems that it found, and from there it's up to other agencies to determine whether or not to pursue the OIG's recommendations be it in the form of policy adjustments or prosecutions.

Any outlet currently trying to spin this as a negative because it didn't immediately result in arrests is an outlet that's either populated by idiots who don't know how anything works, or liars who are just sowing disinformation to fuel rage-bait traffic. That, or people who never even bothered to read the report and are purely basing their opinions on headlines. Either way, Horowitz was never going to arrest anyone; that's just not what the OIG does. Following this report, the ball gets thrown into Barr and Durham's court.

It's 1AM now, though, so I'm going to have to pick this up again in the morning. It looks like there's a lot of really interesting things towards the latter half of this report, but the middle part is a bit of a slog.
For some reason, the link you sent is not working. Would you please try fixing that?
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I would like to remind everyone that we have probably read more of the report just by yours and Yotsubaaa's analysis then most germnalists. I would almost be sympathetic towards them for not doing so - if it wasn't their fucking job to read it. Every day, they prove to everyone that is not part of the increasingly tightening echo chamber that they are no more than propagandists meant to serve the out of touch elites that think that a globalist, socialist, far left government will remain relevant long in an increasingly complex world. I can't wait to see what Barr and Durham brings to the table.

I will start reading the non-executive summary part sometimes tomorrow. There is so much to get through that I do think that with a report his important, we will see something happen. Even indirect consequences like flipping a few states red in 2020 counts.
 
It's not his job to make determinations about motivations, his job is purely to hoard up information and offer recommendations for ways to avoid these sorts of behaviours in the future. He's the "who and how". That's probably the primary reason as to why Durham is disagreeing with some of the findings in this report. Barr and Durham's jobs are to make determinations about motivations, and Durham's apparently a little bit pissed off. Barr doesn't seem very pleased about it, either.

This report is a fact-finding expedition, not a "throw their ass in jail right now" expedition. That's not Horowitz's job and it never was.

I am still fucking floored by this and thought it was the single most important bit of news. I pretty much expected Horowitz to be an institutionalist working to protect said institution, although he's reeeeeally straining credulity here with the "no bias, they're just retarded" excuse for the FBI.

However, if Durham's willing to come out and make a statement basically saying, "No, the predicate was also bullshit!" then that is the single best bit of news to come out of this. Horowitz got all the damning evidence it was reasonable to expect he would, but Durham just announced (to those listening) that his little trip to Italy was not, in fact, just sightseeing. Mifsud sang. Brennan hangs.
 
That is outside of this, this is entirely about how The FBI got a warrant to spy on a Citizen Running for Office.
That's what I thought - although if I were a political pundit I'd start drawing parallels as to the way the Dems change the rules as they go along and what lengths they go to in order to achieve their ends.
 
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Hi there, McCain. Just doing your patriotic duty to try and overthrow a duly elected President and frame innocent people of treason, I'm sure. It just happened to be you that was peddling these Steele reports to Comey and the MSM; you just happened to be the one member of the Republican party who incidentally showed up to traffic this information around and finally push it into the hands of Buzzfeed.

You're more useful rotting inside of that pine box than you ever were in life.
 
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Hi here, McCain. Just doing your patriotic duty to try and overthrow a duly elected President and frame innocent people of treason, I'm sure. It just happened to be you that was peddling these Steele reports to Comey and the MSM; you just happened to be the one member of the Republican party who incidentally showed up to traffic this information around and finally push it into the hands of Buzzfeed.

You're more useful rotting inside of that pine box than you ever were in life.

Man I wonder who McCain's russia hack was in 08.....

But Steele kept saying "Bro this stuff is sketchy" and they went along with it anyway


here is the staff page
 
So even the "Opposition Research" bit was a lie? because Cancer Brain McCain wasn't running, unless he was doing it to help Lindsey.
 
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