The ‘Ghost Gun’ Linked to Luigi Mangione Shows Just How Far 3D-Printed Weapons Have Come - The design of the gun police say they found on the alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO’s killer—the FMDA or “Free Men Don’t Ask”—was released by a libertarian group.

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An FMDA 19.2 model 3D-printed “ghost gun”
Photograph: Mr Snow Makes


More than a decade after the advent of the 3D-printed gun as an icon of libertarianism and a gun control nightmare, police say one of those homemade plastic weapons has now been found in the hands of perhaps the world’s most high-profile alleged killer. For the community of DIY gunsmiths who have spent years honing those printable firearm models, in fact, the handgun police claim Luigi Mangione used to fatally shoot UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson is as recognizable as the now-famous alleged shooter himself—and shows just how practical and lethal those weapons have become.

In the 24 hours since police released a photo of what they say is Mangione’s gun following the 26-year-old’s arrest Monday, the online community devoted to 3D-printed firearms has been quick to identify the suspected murder weapon as a particular model of printable “ghost gun”—a homemade weapon with no serial number, created by assembling a mix of commercial and DIY parts. The gun appears to be a Chairmanwon V1, a tweak of a popular partially 3D-printed Glock-style design known as the FMDA 19.2—an acronym that stands for the libertarian slogan “Free Men Don’t Ask.”

The FMDA 19.2, released in 2021, is a relatively old model by 3D-printed-gun standards, says one gunsmith who goes by the first name John and the online handle Mr. Snow Makes. But it’s one of the most well-known and well-tested printable ghost gun designs, he says. The Chairmanwon V1 remix that police say Mangione had in his possession when he was arrested in a Altoona, Pennsylvania McDonald’s varies from that original FMDA 19.2 design only in that another amateur gunsmith, who goes by the pseudonym Chairmanwon, added a different texture to the gun’s grip.

“For someone who has been building firearms like this for five years, it’s a bit of an odd choice. We’ve been building nicer models,” says Mr. Snow Makes, who hosts an annual ghost gun shooting competition. But he adds that “this is one of the earliest 3D-print Glock styles that was widely tested and successful at creating a reliably functional firearm.”

Authorities in New York charged Mangione on Monday in the December 4 murder of Thompson, alongside weapons charges and other alleged offenses in Pennsylvania. A handwritten “manifesto” police say they found on Mangione's person upon his arrest laments UnitedHealthcare's practices and the US health insurance industry more broadly. Bullet casings discovered at the scene of the shooting outside the New York Hilton Midtown hotel in Manhattan were reportedly emblazoned with the words “deny,” “defend,” “depose”—likely criticisms of health care industry practices.

The fact that even a relatively old model of 3D-printed firearm allegedly allowed Mangione to shoot Thompson repeatedly on a Manhattan street—certainly the most high-profile shooting ever committed with a ghost gun or a 3D-printed weapon—shows how far DIY weapons tech has come, says Cody Wilson, the founder of the gun rights group Defense Distributed. Unlike the earliest 3D-printed gun models, the FDMA 19.2 can be fired hundreds or even thousands of times without its plastic components breaking.

“It just speaks to the ease with which you can do this,” says Wilson. “He doesn’t have to be an expert at 3D-printed guns or shooting, and it all works.”
Despite its simple description by law enforcement and others as a “3D-printed pistol,” the FMDA 19.2 is only partially 3D printed. That makes it fundamentally different from fully 3D-printed guns like the “Liberator,” the original one-shot, 3D-printed pistol Wilson debuted in 2013.

Instead, firearms built from designs like the FMDA 19.2 are assembled from a combination of commercially produced parts like barrels, slides, and magazines—sometimes sold in kits—and a homemade frame. Because that frame, often referred to as a “lower receiver” or “lower," is the regulated body of the gun, 3D-printing that piece or otherwise creating it at home allows DIY gunmakers to skirt gun-control laws and build ghost guns with no serial number, obtained with no background check or waiting period.

The FMDA 19.2 model, released by a group originally known as Deterrence Dispensed—a gun-building group initially inspired by Wilson’s Defense Distributed but now widely seen as a rival—was distinguished by its use of commercially available “rails,” the metal components that guide the upper part of the gun known as its slide, which retracts with every shot, resetting the trigger and loading a new round into the chamber. (In a widely circulated video of Thompson's murder, the gun allegedly fired by Mangione appears not to have functioned as a semiautomatic. That's a result of the suppressor attachment preventing its re-chambering mechanism, gunsmiths say.)

The FMDA 19.2's relatively simple tweak—the use of commercially produced metal rails instead of homemade ones—led the gun model to be considered the most practical and reliable 3D-printed Glock design available at the time it was released three years ago. “There had been earlier Glock-style pistols, but the interior rail components were not as refined,” says Mr. Snow Makes. “It’s kind of that perfect blend of 3D-printed frame and precision rails.”

Deterrence Dispensed, the group behind that FMDA 19.2 design, has since rebranded under the name “the Gatalog.” But the group’s original website still bears the libertarian gun rights slogans that summarize its ideology. “All individuals are entitled to the utility to defend their humanity,” the site reads. “Gun control has failed. You can’t stop the signal.”

A founder of Deterrence Dispensed who went by the named Jstark, later revealed to be a now-deceased German man named Jakob Duygu, was featured in a 2020 Popular Front documentary wearing a black balaclava and sunglasses. “We want people to have freedom of speech and the right to bear arms," he says in the film. “If that’s too politically extreme for you, fuck yourself.”

Just two months ago, one Bergen, New York, man who allegedly acted as an administrator for the Gatalog named Peter Celentano was arrested and charged with illegal ownership of two machine guns and numerous 3D-printed and other homemade handgun and AR-15 components.

Exactly why Mangione allegedly used a 3D-printed gun in the killing of UnitedHealthcare’s Thompson—whether as a political statement or in the belief that it would help him evade identification—remains far from clear. But as a coder and technologist, he may have been attracted to the idea. “This is the US. It’s not the easiest way to get your hands on a gun,” says another DIY gunsmith who spoke to WIRED but asked not to be named, in reference to 3D-printed firearms. “But he’s a techy guy, and he may have just owned a 3D printer. It wouldn’t be a bad way to make an untraceable gun.”

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Not true. It's illegal in lots of states.
I dunno about "lots", but it certainly has become illegal in several DNC strongholds in the time I've been alive.

There's definitely a lot of room for confusion about "making it yourself" though, because iirc the issue becomes that you can't have anyone help you actually finish the receiver itself, so build parties that aren't very strict can get into "manufacturing without a license" trouble which can easily happen even if making it yourself is legal.
 
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IDK, given how many times that gun jammed, Ghost Guns must really have been shit at the start. Anyone that has used a gun put together by a manufacturer will tell you the performance of the gun he used was just fucking sad.
If he was using a suppressor without a booster, it would've happened to a store-bought gun too.
 
Was it given to him by a strange old man in a white coat?
 
Do you think it's easier to learn how to fabricate a firearm or to take a train to a state where you can just buy a gun over the counter with a simple background check?
You can't buy a firearm retail with an out-of-state ID.
Background check records aren't supposed to be kept, btw, so there would have been no record that he purchased a weapon.
Not federal 4473 checks, but some states require their own records of purchase.
It's also one of the most frequently redefined, if my memory serves it can mean:

-Receivers made by citizens that do not have a serial number.
-80% Receivers finished by citizens.
-Receivers 3D printed and thus do not have a serial number.
-Receivers made of exclusively non-metallic substances:
--Those which are 3D printed
--Those which are NOT 3D printed.
-Entirely 3D printed guns.
The term is also used to refer to factory guns that have their serials obliterated. Police love the term because they can jack up the number of "ghost guns" that they report as confiscated to the media, implying home manufacture, when 98% were actually factory guns stolen by gangbangers who scratched off the serial.
For example, this is the firearm part of a Glock. Notice there isn't a trigger.
Technically that's an unfinished Glock-compatible-clone Polymer80 "80%" not-a-firearm frame. They're no longer manufactured because states were able to sue the makers into bankruptcy because they were if I recall selling kits that included the unfinished frame, slide, barrel, and all the internals https://www.thetrace.org/2024/08/polymer80-closed-ghost-gun-lawsuits/

There's other companies making basically the same "80%" pistol frames though.
Not true. It's illegal in lots of states.
Is that technically true? I know some states require that if you manufacture your own gun that you need to apply to the state for a serial number prior to manufacture and/or serialize it in accordance with federal regulations and register it, but I'm curious as to outright prohibition on manufacture. I get that it makes it so much of a hassle as to effectively make legal home manufacture overly burdensome and ultimately pointless.
 
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Is that technically true? I know some states require that if you manufacture your own gun that you need to apply to the state for a serial number prior to manufacture and/or serialize it in accordance with federal regulations and register it, but I'm curious as to outright prohibition on manufacture. I get that it makes it so much of a hassle as to effectively make legal home manufacture overly burdensome and ultimately pointless.
Actually that's a good point, you might be right.
 
Is that technically true? I know some states require that if you manufacture your own gun that you need to apply to the state for a serial number prior to manufacture and/or serialize it in accordance with federal regulations and register it, but I'm curious as to outright prohibition on manufacture. I get that it makes it so much of a hassle as to effectively make legal home manufacture overly burdensome and ultimately pointless.
3D printed guns are completely illegal in several states, iirc it's ny/nj/ma/ri
 
You can't buy a firearm retail with an out-of-state ID.
That isn't entirely accurate. You can buy long guns (rifles and shotguns) out of state (provided your home state and the state you're trying to buy in has reciprocity.

Example: I want to buy a rifle in Ohio but my home state is Kentucky. They have reciprocity so I can just buy it like normal and they run my Drivers License when they do the NICS check.

But if I want to buy a rifle in Ohio and my home state is NY, forget it. No reciprocity so no sale.

Caveat: Some states allow you to bypass the NICS check if you hold a valid Concealed Carry License (or permit or whatever you want to call it), but you can't do that unless you're in your home state. For example, if I'm a KY resident I can do that if I buy in KY. But on the other side of the river in Ohio I have to go through the whole process.

For pistols it's different. You cannot buy a pistol outside of your home state, period. However, you can buy a pistol and have it sent to a dealer in your home state where they run the NICS check.

Example: I want to buy a pistol in OH, but I live in KY. I pay the money in OH and they ship it to a dealer in KY. When it gets there, they call me, I run down to the store, and they run the check for me.
 
Its funny, I thought to myself "I wonder how the elites are going to exploit this to make life worse for everyone. Probably going to go after 3D printers because 'think of the healthcare CEOs' "

and BOOM, there it is.

It sucks to have a brain capable of pattern recognition, it really does because nothing surprises you anymore.
 
Its funny, I thought to myself "I wonder how the elites are going to exploit this to make life worse for everyone. Probably going to go after 3D printers because 'think of the healthcare CEOs' "

and BOOM, there it is.

It sucks to have a brain capable of pattern recognition, it really does because nothing surprises you anymore.
We don't have lawmakers that actually sit down and think rationally about a problem and then debate the solutions and come up with a plan after a long discussion and only then draft laws. No, we have Helen Lovejoy yelling "won't somebody please think of the children!" and making it up as we go and throwing the baby out with the bathwater because somehow emoting rather than thinking is the better solution.
 
We don't have lawmakers that actually sit down and think rationally about a problem and then debate the solutions and come up with a plan after a long discussion and only then draft laws. No, we have Helen Lovejoy yelling "won't somebody please think of the children!" and making it up as we go and throwing the baby out with the bathwater because somehow emoting rather than thinking is the better solution.

No, we dont and nearly every lawmaker is a power hungry nigger tier faggot bully . You know it, I know it.
 
Actually that's a good point, you might be right.
I believe in California it only works on long guns, and maybe single-shot pistols, as making a semi-auto pistol is considered "manufacturing an unsafe handgun" because it's not on their tested-and-approved handgun roster.
That isn't entirely accurate. You can buy long guns (rifles and shotguns) out of state (provided your home state and the state you're trying to buy in has reciprocity.

Example: I want to buy a rifle in Ohio but my home state is Kentucky. They have reciprocity so I can just buy it like normal and they run my Drivers License when they do the NICS check.

But if I want to buy a rifle in Ohio and my home state is NY, forget it. No reciprocity so no sale.

Caveat: Some states allow you to bypass the NICS check if you hold a valid Concealed Carry License (or permit or whatever you want to call it), but you can't do that unless you're in your home state. For example, if I'm a KY resident I can do that if I buy in KY. But on the other sissue the river in Ohio I have to go through the whole process.

For pistols it's different. You cannot buy a pistol outside of your home state, period. However, you can buy a pistol and have it sent to a dealer in your home state where they run the NICS check.

Example: I want to buy a pistol in OH, but I live in KY. I pay the money in OH and they ship it to a dealer in KY. When it gets there, they call me, I run down to the store, and they run the check for me.
Gotcha. Yeah a few years back I was in Arizona and I checked up on their laws and it looked like that was the case, but when I went to a gun store to get a stripped lower (because they were cheaper than my home state) they said they wouldnt sell it to me. I dont think I specified where I was from, just that I had an out of state ID. I only tried that one store though, and I didnt press the issue. I could see a store not doing it in general just to avoid any hassle of checking reciprocity.
3D printed guns are completely illegal in several states, iirc it's ny/nj/ma/ri
What's "3d printing?" I only know about "additive manufacturing." Though I've heard guntubers talk about something called "squirted" guns. Wonder what that's all about. 😉
 
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