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But if they do that then they can't just recycle the first movie's plot over and over again until Sony becomes a ghost.
The Ghostbusters Thread (Old, New, Animated, Whatever)
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It turns out that specifically avoiding the worst flaws of a previous entry (the 2016 reboot's woke politics and disloyalty to the franchise mythos) isn't enough to make a good movie - the movie has to actually be, y'know, good. Like Mike Stoklasa said, it's a repeat of Star Wars Prequels vs Sequels.
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I feel like Afterlife could have been better if they weren't so preoccupied with referencing the first movie so much.
Was it so hard to have a new villain besides Gozer? Was it so hard to not have Terror Dogs and Mini Stay Pufts in the movie? Was it so hard to not reference almost every facet of the original movie?
I think back to The Real Ghostbusters cartoon series and that show had plenty of cool ideas like incoporating Cthulhu, having the marshmallow covered jumpsuits of the 1984 film come to life as phantom Ghostbusters, and even a wacky Christmas special where they go back in time, bust the three Christmas spirits that haunted Scrooge, and eliminate Christmas from history! Heck, even in idea of adding Slimer to the team (which I have no doubt was done just to have a cute sidekick to market to the kids) showed that The Ghostbusters could work with ghosts, reason with them, and befriend them.
These are bonkers ideas, but the show didn't just rely on going back to the Gozer again. Even Ghostbusters 2, which basically just played Mad Libs with the story of the first movie and repeated some story points beat for beat, at least got a different villain in Vigo the Carpathian.
Instead of re-doing Gozer, why not do a story where The Ghostbusters try to solve a bunch of unsolved murders by trying to communicate with the victim's ghosts, expanding their business to ghost therapy? Why not do a story about The Ghostbusters becoming a local government service as common as firefighters or police officers (which was Akroyd's original idea, wasn't it?).
I'm not saying I'm a genius or anything. I'm just saying that Ghostbusters is capable of more possibilities than simply reliving the past or using it as a vehicle for woke politics. You can actually tell good stories with it.
Was it so hard to have a new villain besides Gozer? Was it so hard to not have Terror Dogs and Mini Stay Pufts in the movie? Was it so hard to not reference almost every facet of the original movie?
I think back to The Real Ghostbusters cartoon series and that show had plenty of cool ideas like incoporating Cthulhu, having the marshmallow covered jumpsuits of the 1984 film come to life as phantom Ghostbusters, and even a wacky Christmas special where they go back in time, bust the three Christmas spirits that haunted Scrooge, and eliminate Christmas from history! Heck, even in idea of adding Slimer to the team (which I have no doubt was done just to have a cute sidekick to market to the kids) showed that The Ghostbusters could work with ghosts, reason with them, and befriend them.
These are bonkers ideas, but the show didn't just rely on going back to the Gozer again. Even Ghostbusters 2, which basically just played Mad Libs with the story of the first movie and repeated some story points beat for beat, at least got a different villain in Vigo the Carpathian.
Instead of re-doing Gozer, why not do a story where The Ghostbusters try to solve a bunch of unsolved murders by trying to communicate with the victim's ghosts, expanding their business to ghost therapy? Why not do a story about The Ghostbusters becoming a local government service as common as firefighters or police officers (which was Akroyd's original idea, wasn't it?).
I'm not saying I'm a genius or anything. I'm just saying that Ghostbusters is capable of more possibilities than simply reliving the past or using it as a vehicle for woke politics. You can actually tell good stories with it.
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I'll just state that RLM's take on the main force that the kids and wine mom have to stop being the ghosts of dead miners coming back up to get vengeance on the foreman's family is actually a great plot to have for that sort of thing. It'd also kind of call back to the old kid's scary tales too if they want to be different, since it has that vibe.
Also the idea of the Spenglers having franchising rights due to inheritance and exploiting them to survive sounds about right from that take. Hell, have the twist be Bill Murray becomes Peck and tries to close them due to also having the rights or something. Go full business legal suit with it.
Also the idea of the Spenglers having franchising rights due to inheritance and exploiting them to survive sounds about right from that take. Hell, have the twist be Bill Murray becomes Peck and tries to close them due to also having the rights or something. Go full business legal suit with it.
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Still well within Venkman's character though. He tricked Ray into selling his parent's house for a business that very nearly failed, tried to sleep with his students, and had roofies on hand for Dana in the first film. He's a shitty person bar none. He very easily could get into a rights lawsuit with the Spengler clan in that respect.
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I finally saw this, and I was fairly entertained. The barely-supervised kids in the audience seemed to enjoy it, they were really excited whenever "Igor" interacted with the living. I liked how it set up Egon's plan and slowly brought it back into focus over the course of the film, though I don't think it justified the shambles he made of his relationships. I was waiting for a payoff to that, a justification for why Egon became a weird jerk and everyone doubted him, but it never really came. His relationships were repaired with a CGI cameo that went on far too long. I liked Phoebe and Podcast. The Walmart scene was pretty blatant marketing, but Walmart is a fact of life in small towns. It's not all mom and pop general stores and carhops.
Gozer didn't make any sense. In the original story, Shandor thought society was too sick to survive so he founded a cult to raise the Destructor. A gate into another dimension opens, Gozer's there on its ziggurat, and a human chooses Gozer's new form, whether that's a sloar or a marshmallow. Egon figured out the interdimensional gateway goes both ways, they crossed the streams and directed the total protonic reversal into Gozer's domain. The gate was destroyed, Gozer's physical form collapsed, and the terror dogs reverted into humans.
This time, Shandor comes back to life and wants to rule the world with Gozer? And Gozer kills him then lounges on a couch waiting for ... sacrifices? But they lure it into the trap field by trapping a terror dog, even though Gozer doesn't need the Keymaster and the Gatekeeper once the gate is open. Then the old guys try to do the total protonic reversal trick again, but without an interdimensional gateway the explosion will kill everyone there. Which is fine, they're trying to kill a god, some sort of sacrifice is usually required, but there's no gravity to this decision. And there's an awful shot where Phoebe and Gozer do the lightning/proton stream battle. Did Gozer forget it's a nonmaterial spirit and can simply disappear? That's literally what it did when the Ghostbusters shot at it in 1984.
Finally, why wasn't the drunk mom covered in ectoplasm after she hugged her dead dad?
Gozer didn't make any sense. In the original story, Shandor thought society was too sick to survive so he founded a cult to raise the Destructor. A gate into another dimension opens, Gozer's there on its ziggurat, and a human chooses Gozer's new form, whether that's a sloar or a marshmallow. Egon figured out the interdimensional gateway goes both ways, they crossed the streams and directed the total protonic reversal into Gozer's domain. The gate was destroyed, Gozer's physical form collapsed, and the terror dogs reverted into humans.
This time, Shandor comes back to life and wants to rule the world with Gozer? And Gozer kills him then lounges on a couch waiting for ... sacrifices? But they lure it into the trap field by trapping a terror dog, even though Gozer doesn't need the Keymaster and the Gatekeeper once the gate is open. Then the old guys try to do the total protonic reversal trick again, but without an interdimensional gateway the explosion will kill everyone there. Which is fine, they're trying to kill a god, some sort of sacrifice is usually required, but there's no gravity to this decision. And there's an awful shot where Phoebe and Gozer do the lightning/proton stream battle. Did Gozer forget it's a nonmaterial spirit and can simply disappear? That's literally what it did when the Ghostbusters shot at it in 1984.
Finally, why wasn't the drunk mom covered in ectoplasm after she hugged her dead dad?
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This movie made me feel so old.
Remember how ridiculed the Junior Ghostbusters were? I wonder why they went that route. I would have rather grandkids (!) not been the focus and maybe a couple children of the Ghostbusters become the new members. Middle-aged and schlubby was good enough for the first film.
Who the fuck did Egon every marry? He would have been the least likely of the four to every marry and have a family. Why could they at least have thrown a bone to the fans and have Janine be the wife? That would have actually given Annie Potts something to do.
I really wanted to love this. I think it was a mistake for me to have watched RLM's video before seeing the movie. Also I don't feel safe being in the theater yet. Everytime some asshole coughed or sneezed I got taken out of the film. I only went because an ailing relative wanted the whole family to go.
Remember how ridiculed the Junior Ghostbusters were? I wonder why they went that route. I would have rather grandkids (!) not been the focus and maybe a couple children of the Ghostbusters become the new members. Middle-aged and schlubby was good enough for the first film.
Who the fuck did Egon every marry? He would have been the least likely of the four to every marry and have a family. Why could they at least have thrown a bone to the fans and have Janine be the wife? That would have actually given Annie Potts something to do.
I really wanted to love this. I think it was a mistake for me to have watched RLM's video before seeing the movie. Also I don't feel safe being in the theater yet. Everytime some asshole coughed or sneezed I got taken out of the film. I only went because an ailing relative wanted the whole family to go.
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The movies paired Janine with Louis. Egon didn't actually like her, he just kind of tolerated her.
I guess Egon could have married anyone, there were lots of women interested in his epididymis, but the family drama was barely sketched out for this family film. Egon abandoned his family but secretly still cared about them, he only broke contact with them because (reasons), his daughter's husband left her after their second child because (reasons), she's now an alcoholic deadbeat who hates science because (reasons) and is slightly abusive to her children whom she cuts while playing barber and says thinks like "don't be yourself" because (reasons).
I have a habit of making up plot lines for movies when they start to lose me, and about halfway through this film I started making up a story where the mother--I still don't remember her name--had been recruited by the Gozer cult. At some point she would reveal that she was behind the estrangement, she left because her father set back her new religion's cause by 40 years and she hated him for it. She'd have a sit-down with the children and tell them, "Kids, mommy loves you, but society is too sick to survive." I guess we still got a scary mommy, but it wasn't tied in to the existing mystery of the fractured family.
I guess Egon could have married anyone, there were lots of women interested in his epididymis, but the family drama was barely sketched out for this family film. Egon abandoned his family but secretly still cared about them, he only broke contact with them because (reasons), his daughter's husband left her after their second child because (reasons), she's now an alcoholic deadbeat who hates science because (reasons) and is slightly abusive to her children whom she cuts while playing barber and says thinks like "don't be yourself" because (reasons).
I have a habit of making up plot lines for movies when they start to lose me, and about halfway through this film I started making up a story where the mother--I still don't remember her name--had been recruited by the Gozer cult. At some point she would reveal that she was behind the estrangement, she left because her father set back her new religion's cause by 40 years and she hated him for it. She'd have a sit-down with the children and tell them, "Kids, mommy loves you, but society is too sick to survive." I guess we still got a scary mommy, but it wasn't tied in to the existing mystery of the fractured family.
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I guess it was a move to not think about the 2016 movie or even the Filmation version, lol.
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I guess it was a move to not think about the 2016 movie or even the Filmation version, lol.
I will say this...the Filmation Ghostbusters animated series did have a neat intro.
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Heavy Scooby Doo vibes.
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That's what a lot of cartoons in the 80's were like. Just add an appealing animal sidekick and you had a show.
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That actually started in the 60s/70s.
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Oh I know. Just that it lasted so long you forget that we had anything else before then.
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My biggest exposure to Hanna Barbera's library was in the earliest days of Cartoon Network when that was almost all they had.
Even as a kid, I remember thinking "Man, they made a lot of shows that were just like Scooby Doo".
Jabberjaw, The Funky Phantom, Speed Buggy, Josie and the Pussycats, Clue Club, The Shmoo...and I know there are more I'm forgetting. And then when you consider there were other animation companies ripping them off (Fangface was Ruby Spears, right?) and its like damn man, they really milked that Scooby Doo formula for all it was worth.
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Well they created it while at H-B. They continued that mess further with such low life's as this...
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The upcoming Ghostbusters: Ultimate Collection 4K Blu-ray box set doesn’t include Ghostbusters 2016, and Paul Feig isn’t happy about it.
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Fuck Paul Fag.
I can't believe this faggot is using the Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards as proof that he made a good movie. That's more pathetic than any lolcow I can think of.
Reminder that the great Joe Bob Briggs roasted this hack:
Yes, he got Universal confused with Sony. He's an old guy.
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It's funnier when you remember and realize that Nick Kid's Choice Awards were and likely still are the fakest and gayest awards show ever. They ALWAYS gave the win to Rugrats for the first decade of the award existing, even when it clearly and obviously wasn't the most popular show with kids. It wasn't even the most popular show on Nick for the last few years it ran; like yeah it did well and had good views, but it was never the most popular kid's show in the line-up.
Then it was often used as a pushing medium for whoever paid best for the plug. I remember them very blatantly trying to push that charisma vacuum Amanda Bynes for example.
So Paul is the dumbest fucker on the planet for trying to use that as why his trash fucking remake/reboot deserves a spot, and that says a lot given the brainlessness of your average Hollyweird Hack these days.
Afterlife easily deserves a spot compared to 2016, and I dislike Afterlife for what it is and what happens in it. It's at least a proper sequel in that setting, which Paul's crappy improv film isn't.
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