The Gun Control Debate Thread - Controlling autism since 2022

The Bronze Golem said:
Every time a shooter used an AR-15, or AK-47 as opposed to a shotgun, bolt action rifle, or handgun, the rate of lethality and efficiency was far greater. People can argue "Oh it's so we can protect ourselves against the government" Those days are over, the government has armored infantry, rapid deployment, fighter jets, missile systems. What the fuck are a couple million people with Semi-Automatic AR-15s going to do? They literally serve zero purpose in civilian society.
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If a bunch of 3rd-world goatfuckers could fend-off the US military using guerilla tactics and AK47's, I'm pretty sure much of the American citizenry could do the same
 
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PipTheAlchemist said:
If a bunch of 3rd-world goatfuckers could fend-off the US military using guerilla tactics and AK47's, I'm pretty sure much of the American citizenry could do the same
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On the one side you got the people of Afghanistan who fought a bloody war against much more powerful foreign invaders for generations to protect the nuclear wasteland they call home.
On the other side you have sheltered Amerifats that still cry about Pearl Harbor.
 
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On the one side you got the people of Afghanistan who fought a bloody war against much more powerful foreign invaders for generations to protect the nuclear wasteland they call home.
On the other side you have sheltered Amerifats that still cry about Pearl Harbor.
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The last fighting generation of that caliber was those who had to fend off the (dwindling) Indian raids of the 1850s-1880s.
 
The Bronze Golem said:
I originally posted in the "Mega Rad Gun thread" before someone referred me to here. I asked the admins to repost all my stuff here, but it was ignored, so I'll start with a summary of what I basically said. If you are so inclined you can look at what I and other people have discussed there, but it's rather long so I won't blame you if you don't.

I'll start by saying, I don't want to ban guns, or repeal that second amendment. I am vehemently against that idea, and I think the very concept of that is ridiculous, insane, morally wrong, and impractical. I used to be someone who was a 2nd amendment absolutist, as in, I think all gun control is bad no matter what. As I've gotten older however, my opinions on the matter have matured.
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Sounds like you're turning into a fudd But I will hear you out.
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Now, I'll start off by saying I am someone who strongly believes in personal protection, home defense, and use of lethal force against attackers and invaders. I strongly dislike how in many jurisdictions and states, handguns are only available with permit systems or requiring to be 21 years old. I find that wrong. I think if someone is at the age of majority, they should have a right to defend themselves. Absolutely. California and New York are prime examples of having these horrible laws. They also have many inane laws that target things based on cosmetic appearance.
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Okay good so far. I think I am in agreement with you here.
The Bronze Golem said:
With that being said, I have to come out on a limb here and say, that I firmly believe nobody needs an AR-15 or any other intermediate caliber Semi-Automatic Rifle to defend themselves or their home. A handgun is superior overall for personal protection because of it's ability to be concealed, and is superior for home defense too because it is easier to maneuver in tight spaces, less likely to be grappled onto by an attacker, and the pistol rounds are less likely to blow your eardrums out, while still being highly efficient for close range defensive purposes.
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Disagree, Varmint caliber rounds are still better at taking out varmint sized creatures. The 5.56 is virtually the same as the .223 caliber. When dealing with feral hogs and coyotes a varmint caliber rounds is better then a proper rifle round.
The Bronze Golem said:
Semi-Automatic, intermediate caliber rifles like AR-15s, are also sufficient at self defense, but the 5.56, 7.62x39 and ETC rounds are designed for decent lethality while still having high controllability in sustained fire. They also come with standard 30 round magazines, and in my opinion 30 round magazines are ridiculous and unnecessary. 10 rounds is perfectly sufficient for self defense. Having that many rounds means a mass shooter can get off more shots before needing to reload, which sorry, is a massive factor in these mass shooter events. All these shooters have the same thing in common. They buy civilian versions of common service rifles. They want to larp as soldiers, use their weapons and dress up like them. I think that is a very pathetic and dangerous mindset many gun owners have, and is common in these shooters. Not only are these weapons effective for mass killing, they are aesthetically and culturally lending themselves to that.
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30 and 20 round magazines were the standard capacity rounds for the firearm. The standard capacity of a Glock 17 is 17 rounds. Unless we count one in the chamber. The only case where a 10 round magazine was standard for a semi automatic rifle was with the Russians SKS. Which was the Soviet response to the M1 Garand. There are many self defense scenarios where a pistol won't cut it. Plenty of places where a rifle is better for self defense. Some near do wells by the border want to ambush you in the desert and dump your body and try to run you off the road. A rifle is a more effective tool then a pistol.
The Bronze Golem said:
Every time a shooter used an AR-15, or AK-47 as opposed to a shotgun, bolt action rifle, or handgun, the rate of lethality and efficiency was far greater. People can argue "Oh it's so we can protect ourselves against the government" Those days are over, the government has armored infantry, rapid deployment, fighter jets, missile systems. What the fuck are a couple million people with Semi-Automatic AR-15s going to do? They literally serve zero purpose in civilian society.
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Most mass shootings like 90% of them are committed with handguns. Most trauma units are designed to handle handgun rounds. Shotgun rounds, rifle rounds are just as deadly. Second the 2nd amendment was meant to defeat against the government. Fighter jets need fuel, cost billions of dollars to maintain those supply chains and are absolutely useless in most guerrilla campaigns.
Missile systems, look at the cartel wars in Mexico missile systems wouldn't help the Mexican government as the risk of collateral damage is too high. The US definitely understands this, when it's the middle east or a Slavic nation civilian casualties can be overlooked. When it happens on the home front no one wants to have to flee the nation. If anything gun control should be limited, civilians should have access to Nlaws and Javelins as well.
The Bronze Golem said:
Nobody in that Mega Rad Gun thread successfully rebuked any of this, they just mocked me or gave me arbitrary data to defect what I was saying onto something else.

Can anyone here can rebuke some of my points, I'd love to hear it.
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I believe I just rebuked the No one needs a semi automatic ie Self loading rifle, No one needs an intermediate caliber rounds I addressed that too, the magazine bans no one needs more then ten rounds, I believe I addressed that but I'll add to that.

No one in a gunfight ever said "I sure wish I had less ammo!" Watch CCTV footage of how gunfights are vs how movies make gunfights out to be. In movies the bad guy magically has his head blown off and it looks bad ass. In real life people who have gunshot wounds that aren't to the head tend to bleed out for a long time. Many cases if you have someone with pure adrenaline running it doesn't matter if you shoot them once or twice they're still lunging at said person with a knife. This is why police prefer Mag Dumping into a suspect and removing weapon then shoot them once like the movies and it's over.

Your knowledge of guns is from movies, games, and maybe once token trip to the gun range. Guns are not like the movies, sometimes you have to kag dump into someone, you don't shoot someone in the arm or leg because they tend to bleed out slowly and die painfully.

I can't tell if you're just a well meaning Fudd who lost his balls or if you're a bugman bait troll.
 
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To the people still advocating for gun-control: why should I trust and rely my government(s) to protect my life and others' when it has been proven time from time again that they can fail to do so and even work against me/others? Why do you trust the government that much? Don't be a bootlicking cunt.
 
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JudgementKazzy said:
To the people still advocating for gun-control: why should I trust and rely my government(s) to protect my life and others' when it has been proven time from time again that they can fail to do so and even work against me/others? Why do you trust the government that much? Don't be a bootlicking cunt.
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To play devil's advocate, Thomas Hobbes says the state of nature is far worse. Life in the state of nature is short, brutish and full of woe. People are uncivilized animals and need to be brought in by a higher authority.
 
Samson Pumpkin Jr. said:
To play devil's advocate, Thomas Hobbes says the state of nature is far worse. Life in the state of nature is short, brutish and full of woe. People are uncivilized animals and need to be brought in by a higher authority.
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The question boils down to if you would rather be living in carefully curated a closely watched panopticon and be judged by others who could be impartial, or someone who would rather be judged by god (for god is the dream of an impartial judge).
The asleep will choose the former. Who judges the judge themselves?
 
Gun control leads to more violence because the more people that are unarmed the higher the body count for each mass shooting because more people are defenseless. This, combined with Federal Agents willing to shoot shit up under the orders of our government, creates a cycle where more people die and stricter gun laws are in place until we reach a point where the 2nd amendment is terminated. Since the feds are usually white(or at least have white skin), the media will use that as an excuse to brainwash everyone into hating white people, including whites themselves. Guns and Video Games will also be blamed in which the general population will believe what they're told because they are sheep and do not see the real side of things. In short, all of these reasons plus bad parenting and law enforcement being lazy caused the number of mass shootings to balloon in recent times. The jews are opponents of the 2nd amendment and will do whatever they can in order to control the general populace and get rid of the white race. This is why we need to gas and burn them.
 
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The fact that the general public in America does not have easy access to machineguns, rocket launchers, and mortars is bordering on criminal. Those things are so much fun. Especially when you mount them in the back of a pickup truck.

In case you get the opportunity to, here's how to fire an RPG-7 correctly. Video is in Russian, but it's self-explanatory. Good luck!
 
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Badungus Kabungus said:
The fact that the general public in America does not have easy access to machineguns, rocket launchers, and mortars is bordering on criminal. Those things are so much fun. Especially when you mount them in the back of a pickup truck.

In case you get the opportunity to, here's how to fire an RPG-7 correctly. Video is in Russian, but it's self-explanatory. Good luck!
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I don't need an RPG-7, I have Panzerfausts!

In minecraft, of course.
 
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Badungus Kabungus said:
Not a problem, the Bundeswehr's channel had some instructions for using those. I heard the Taliban has a YouTube channel in the works, should prove informative.
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No, I mean the old school WW2-era Panzerfausts. Except patched for the latest version of the Grass Touching RPG.
 
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