The Gun Control Debate Thread - Controlling autism since 2022

So what was your argument with Japan?
That gun control cannot stop or prevent insane lunatics from trying to shoot or kill you. Not that Japan is "full of gun crime". Japan is yet another sad example of a place with extreme gun control laws where gun control still doesn't stop insane weirdos.
 
That gun control cannot stop or prevent insane lunatics from trying to shoot or kill you. Not that Japan is "full of gun crime". Japan is yet another sad example of a place with extreme gun control laws where gun control still doesn't stop insane weirdos.
So because it's only 99.99% and not 100% effective, it's useless?
Again, let's lift the ban on child porn and heroin as well using that same argument.
 
knowing there's a gunphobic statist mong in this thread, we wouldn't have to wait long
It's not, though. Japan lack of gun crime is entirely due to two things:
1. Anti-Gun culture
2. Massive push from the Yakuza to Control all the crime.
3. Yakuza's, and by extension, the rest of the criminal world's distaste for easily tracable weapons (such as guns) as well as fears that the gun won't work at critical moment. Criminals in Japan use guns to send a message, but not for crime.

Tldr: It's a culture thing combined with the criminal world not wanting to be captured as well as being mostly controlled by Yakuza.

Edit: Something to note is that Japan has low crime in general compared to the rest of the world
Libtards are gold medalists in mental gymnastics, they'll come up with something.
A respected political figure got assassinated and the first thing you want to do is get brownie points at your local fruit forum thread? Sad

And of course, it's you who have been changing the topic all along. It was a targeted assassination, and the whole conversation has been about how to stop spree shooters. Violence and assassinations have been a part of humanity since society started. Guns just make it easier. Assault weapons MUCH easier.

And about Japan, the dude had to come up with a weird homemade electrically fired shotgun to fire at him at close range. He might as well have sliced Mr. Abe with a Katana from that distance. It does not change that assault rifles in America are a cancer.
 
So because it's only 99.99% and not 100% effective, it's useless?
Again, let's lift the ban on child porn and heroin as well using that same argument.
It's useless because criminals get guns illegally most of the time. Study after study after study shows that the more restrictive the gun control laws, the more guns are aquired illegally to commit crimes (or self-made) and it at best has no effect at reducing crime, and at worse the gun bans greatly increase crime. I have been consistent on this issue, and have posted studies and data to support this earlier in the thread. This incident is just another example of how laughably easy it is to bypass even the strictest of gun laws if one wants to.
A respected political figure got assassinated and the first thing you want to do is get brownie points at your local fruit forum thread? Sad

And of course, it's you who have been changing the topic all along. It was a targeted assassination, and the whole conversation has been about how to stop spree shooters. Violence and assassinations have been a part of humanity since society started. Guns just make it easier. Assault weapons MUCH easier.

And about Japan, the dude had to come up with a weird homemade electrically fired shotgun to fire at him at close range. He might as well have sliced Mr. Abe with a Katana from that distance. It does not change that assault rifles in America are a cancer.
First of all, I'd like to point out that you don't need to get extremely mad. Neg-ratting all my posts won't make your argument better, just makes you look petty and angry.

Secondly, if you are mad over things like me (hours after the man died) mentioning that Jap gun laws don't work, Kiwi Farms might be far too mean of a place for you.

In regards to your claims that I am moving the goalposts, all I have to say is: Ironic.

Btw, the assassination was not close range at all, but believe what you want.

I won't address your claims that I have already addressed before. As is, I have already disproven them with data, and you have failed to prove them with any substance yourself.

Sidenote, I see none of you addressed the gun-free zone bit. Wonder why?
 
The fact that you keep missing the point should not be suprising. Oh well, I said what I wanted to, so it's all good, I suppose
You don't really seem to have a point with the Japan thing, though.

If gun control advocates were all like "gun control will ensure no one will get shot - not even once". Then yeah, that example would certainly prove them wrong.
But I believe most of them are more like "gun control will reduce gun deaths". Where that rare death by a gun only supports their stance.
 
The fact that you keep missing the point should not be suprising. Oh well, I said what I wanted to, so it's all good, I suppose
He's a furry, they seldom have the capacity to argue efficiently to things that don't involve questionable topics about animals.
Libtards are gold medalists in mental gymnastics, they'll come up with something.
Probably something along the lines of "We need to regulate muh ghost guns and gun building materials" You know, the same shit over and over expecting shit to change.
It's useless because criminals get guns illegally most of the time. Study after study after study shows that the more restrictive the gun control laws, the more guns are aquired illegally to commit crimes (or self-made) and it at best has no effect at reducing crime, and at worse the gun bans greatly increase crime. I have been consistent on this issue, and have posted studies and data to support this earlier in the thread. This incident is just another example of how laughably easy it is to bypass even the strictest of gun laws if one wants to.

First of all, I'd like to point out that you don't need to get extremely mad. Neg-ratting all my posts won't make your argument better, just makes you look petty and angry.

Secondly, if you are mad over things like me (hours after the man died) mentioning that Jap gun laws don't work, Kiwi Farms might be far too mean of a place for you.

In regards to your claims that I am moving the goalposts, all I have to say is: Ironic.

Btw, the assassination was not close range at all, but believe what you want.

I won't address your claims that I have already addressed before. As is, I have already disproven them with data, and you have failed to prove them with any substance yourself.

Sidenote, I see none of you addressed the gun-free zone bit. Wonder why?
Just is a petty bastard. A few days ago, someone mentioned him on the BreadTube thread and he showed up and began to spout bullshit. All his arguments are either whataboutisms, goalpost moving, and other fallacies. Whenever he is confronted with anything that disproves the gun control narrative, he firstly gives the post a neg-rating and then proceeds to engage in a fallacious argument using the aforementioned tactics. Truly sad.
 
A respected political figure got assassinated and the first thing you want to do is get brownie points at your local fruit forum thread? Sad
Mad lol. I don't know much about him, I don't follow foreign politics, but he seemed cool. RIP was genuine.

And of course, it's you who have been changing the topic all along. It was a targeted assassination, and the whole conversation has been about how to stop spree shooters. Violence and assassinations have been a part of humanity since society started. Guns just make it easier. Assault weapons MUCH easier.

And about Japan, the dude had to come up with a weird homemade electrically fired shotgun to fire at him at close range. He might as well have sliced Mr. Abe with a Katana from that distance. It does not change that assault rifles in America are a cancer.
Mass killings will still occur without guns, you're delusional. Shooting sprees get a lot of publicity but they account for very few murders anyway.

Scary rifle go boom :story:
 
Mad lol. I don't know much about him, I don't follow foreign politics, but he seemed cool. RIP was genuine.


Mass killings will still occur without guns, you're delusional. Shooting sprees get a lot of publicity but they account for very few murders anyway.

Scary rifle go boom :story:
Heck, there's been around 30 vehicle attacks in the US in the last 20+ years, with around 400 injuries and over 50 deaths. That's pretty similar numbers to the larger school shootings and related "workplace incidents" since Columbine. The main reason the death toll is under 200 is that paramedics actually treat car attack victims immediately, but wait around for police to clear the scene of a mass shooting before treating shooting victims, leading to around a 50% fatality rate for mass shootings. However, the injuries from being ran over by a truck are generally more life-changing (amputations, brain damage, paralysis) than survivable small caliber rifle wounds.

Nobody seems to be demanding vehicle bans or requiring mental-health background checks for getting a driver's license, of course.
 
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Just is a petty bastard. A few days ago, someone mentioned him on the BreadTube thread and he showed up and began to spout bullshit. All his arguments are either whataboutisms, goalpost moving, and other fallacies. Whenever he is confronted with anything that disproves the gun control narrative, he firstly gives the post a neg-rating and then proceeds to engage in a fallacious argument using the aforementioned tactics. Truly sad.
@Kosher Snake Started complaining about me in a non-related channel. And he made the bitch move not even to tag me. And Chuck, stop projecting. It's y'all who are doing "whataboutisms, goalpost moving, and other fallacies."

A man in Switzerland goes on a low kill count shooting spree, "gun control doesn't work", a 4th of July shooting spree with double the body count and "gun control doesn't work", a Jap politician gets shot with a homemade shotgun, "gun control doesn't work". I already said that spree shooters will get stopped by removing assault rifles and that society will be better. That's my goalpost. Not erasing violence.

First of all, I'd like to point out that you don't need to get extremely mad. Neg-ratting all my posts won't make your argument better, just makes you look petty and angry.

Secondly, if you are mad over things like me (hours after the man died) mentioning that Jap gun laws don't work, Kiwi Farms might be far too mean of a place for you.
I don't rate you poorly because I'm mad; I'm just being objective about you being dumb and Mad at the internet. And about the KF being too mean for me; well let's just say I'm sad more people don't get my new profile pic reference. I drew it myself.
 
@Kosher Snake Started complaining about me in a non-related channel. And he made the bitch move not even to tag me. And Chuck, stop projecting. It's y'all who are doing "whataboutisms, goalpost moving, and other fallacies."

A man in Switzerland goes on a low kill count shooting spree, "gun control doesn't work", a 4th of July shooting spree with double the body count and "gun control doesn't work", a Jap politician gets shot with a homemade shotgun, "gun control doesn't work". I already said that spree shooters will get stopped by removing assault rifles and that society will be better. That's my goalpost. Not erasing violence.


I don't rate you poorly because I'm mad; I'm just being objective about you being dumb and Mad at the internet. And about the KF being too mean for me; well let's just say I'm sad more people don't get my new profile pic reference. I drew it myself.
What do you mean by "removing assault rifles", exactly? In the US assault rifles are already ridiculously difficult to acquire legally, and basically priced outside the market for anyone but a collector. To my knowledge, the only crimes involving assault rifles since the late-80's were all illegally imported weapons (typically AK's brought over the border from Mexico) and are almost solely used by drug gangs against other gangs, not by spree shooters (who seem to prefer handguns).

The only crime I can think of that would've been "prevented" by somehow magically removing assault rifles from existence would be the North Hollywood bank robbery in '97, as they were using two already illegal Type 56 Chinese AK-knockoffs and other guns that had been illegally modified to be select-fire capable. Though the main issue with them wasn't their guns, but that they had built their own very effective body armor, and the local LAPD didn't carry any rifles that could penetrate their homemade armor. And despite having assault rifles, the two robbers only injured people, they didn't actually kill anyone, so it certainly wasn't a spree killing by any definition.
 
What do you mean by "removing assault rifles", exactly? In the US assault rifles are already ridiculously difficult to acquire legally, and basically priced outside the market for anyone but a collector. To my knowledge, the only crimes involving assault rifles since the late-80's were all illegally imported weapons (typically AK's brought over the border from Mexico) and are almost solely used by drug gangs against other gangs, not by spree shooters (who seem to prefer handguns).

The only crime I can think of that would've been "prevented" by somehow magically removing assault rifles from existence would be the North Hollywood bank robbery in '97, as they were using two already illegal Type 56 Chinese AK-knockoffs and other guns that had been illegally modified to be select-fire capable. Though the main issue with them wasn't their guns, but that they had built their own very effective body armor, and the local LAPD didn't carry any rifles that could penetrate their homemade armor. And despite having assault rifles, the two robbers only injured people, they didn't actually kill anyone, so it certainly wasn't a spree killing by any definition.
And Uvalde, Sandy hook, Las Vegas, Pulse, Stoneman Douglas to name a few?
 
@Kosher Snake Started complaining about me in a non-related channel. And he made the bitch move not even to tag me. And Chuck, stop projecting. It's y'all who are doing "whataboutisms, goalpost moving, and other fallacies."
Is that why you followed Snake to the BreadTuber thread? It ain't a "bitch move" to not tag someone in a different thread, so don't use that excuse. We're the ones that are "projecting"? Bitch please, your ass is the one who's talking a bunch of horseshit even after being shown a bunch of sources that contradict your point of view. It be nice if you took the time to shut up and listen.

Oh, I'm sure you are. Totally
Let the little bitch moan. I'm sure mommy and daddy are proud of their "Gun Control Warrior" fighting "ebil school shooters" on Kiwi Farms.

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Is that why you followed Snake to the BreadTuber thread? It ain't a "bitch move" to not tag someone in a different thread, so don't use that excuse. We're the ones that are "projecting"? Bitch please, your ass is the one who's talking a bunch of horseshit even after being shown a bunch of sources that contradict your point of view. It be nice if you took the time to shut up and listen.


Let the little bitch moan. I'm sure mommy and daddy are proud of their "Gun Control Warrior" fighting "ebil school shooters" on Kiwi Farms.

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Hey, let's forget all about this topic. I'm getting scared getting teamtagged like this by gun owners. I will go aways and you guys can go back to tending your alpacas. Please don't hurt me or send me threatening pictures of yourself no more. :'(

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In the US assault rifles are already ridiculously difficult to acquire legally,
If by assault rifles he means automatic ones, they are only 0.001575% of all US guns, and pretty rare
And Uvalde, Sandy hook, Las Vegas, Pulse, Stoneman Douglas to name a few?
Several of these used handguns like Sandy Hook (Glock 20SF), Las Vegas (.38-caliber Smith & Wesson Model 342), Pulse (Semi-automatic Glock). There's no evidence they wouldn't have used other semi-automatics, and data suggests they would have gotten the weapons illegally. Several of these people already couldn't legally own or purchase weapons. Also, like I said before, most shootings happen in places where guns are illegal. Weird how it didn't stop them.
Let the little bitch moan
He is so objective he goes out of his way to neg rate every single one of my recent posts here, no matter what they say.
 
And Uvalde, Sandy hook, Las Vegas, Pulse, Stoneman Douglas to name a few?
None of those involved an assault rifle (though Las Vegas was probably a machinegun, admittedly, but hardly legal). The Pulse nightclub shooting was a literal ISIS terrorist armed with a SIG MCX, a glock handgun (used after the rifle jammed and was abandoned) and some unknown number of very illegal explosives. I don't see how any amount of laws would've prevented that attack.

Likewise, neither Uvalde, Sandy Hook, nor the Stoneman Douglas Parkland shooting involved assault rifles. Parkland and Uvalde were more a result of very bad police and faculty behavior at the scene (the staffer who saw Cruz walking toward the school with a rifle case on his shoulder merely reported him to other staff but didn't bother calling in a Code Red that would've locked down the school and likely prevented the shooting. Uvalde had similar issues.) Mental health treatment is about the only thing that might've prevented those shootings, gun laws and police certainly wouldn't and didn't.

Considering the most deadly school shooting in US history was Virginia Tech, and only involved handguns and a knife, I'm not sure why you're so focused on assault rifles anyway. They're basically irrelevant as far as US crime is concerned.
 
If by assault rifles he means automatic ones, they are only 0.001575% of all US guns, and pretty rare

Several of these used handguns like Sandy Hook (Glock 20SF), Las Vegas (.38-caliber Smith & Wesson Model 342), Pulse (Semi-automatic Glock). There's no evidence they wouldn't have used other semi-automatics, and data suggests they would have gotten the weapons illegally. Several of these people already couldn't legally own or purchase weapons. Also, like I said before, most shootings happen in places where guns are illegal. Weird how it didn't stop them.

He is so objective he goes out of his way to neg rate every single one of my recent posts here, no matter what they say.
Data suggests that if you can't tell how much more dangerous and AR platform is compared to a handgun, then it's highly likely people will think you are dum-dum and sticker you accordingly. Also why do you forget that in those cases almost all the killings was done with AR platforms ( Pulse- SIG MCX, Sandy hook-Bushmaster XM-15, Las Vegas- an arsenal of rifles, Douglas school-S&W MP15)
 
I'm not sure why you're so focused on assault rifles anyway. They're basically irrelevant as far as US crime is concerned.
He genuinly hates statistics.
Data suggests that if you can't tell how much more dangerous and AR platform is compared to a handgun, then it's highly lightly people will think you are dum-dum and sticker you accordingly.
You neg-rate me on anything and everything, most not even AR related. Neg-rate me all you want, just stop pretending that you are doing it for any other reason then being mad.
Also why do you forget that in those cases almost all the killings was done with AR platforms ( Pulse- SIG MCX, Sandy hook-Bushmaster XM-15, Las Vegas- an arsenal of rifles, Douglas school-S&W MP15)
And yet again, you missed the point. Please reread my comment.
 
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