🐱 The Hobbit: What Makes Tauriel's Fight Against Bolg So Problematic?

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Of the many characters that were changed or created for Peter Jackson's film adaptations of the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, Tauriel is possibly one of the most interesting, and also the most polarizing. On one hand, lots of fans felt that it was really important to have a strong female character in these very male-orientated stories, the main characters are 13 male dwarves, a male wizard, and a male hobbit after all. Even Smaug the mighty dragon is male, so it was definitely a more inclusive choice for Peter Jackson to add an awesome female elven warrior, who is great with a bow and arrow, skilled with blades, and also highly intelligent and witty.

On the other hand, many fans feel that Tauriel is a very problematic addition to the movies, predominantly because of the love triangle surrounding her, Kili the dwarf, and Legolas (who is also not in the original Hobbit text). Not only is the romance controversial in itself, it also creates a lot of contention with the disapproval of Thranduil, Legolas’s father, making him out to be a less than savory character, it also distracts from the story, the quest to reclaim Erebor under the Lonely Mountain, and the search for the Arkenstone. But there is one scene in particular, above all else, that made fans worldwide feel very disappointed with how Peter Jackson and his amazing creative team decided to portray Tauriel’s character.

The Battle of the Five Armies is messy, and blood-thirsty, and full of elaborate gags and un-needed drama, as the orcs invade from Dol-Guldur, a host of flying bat-like creatures spring from Gundabad, and chaos ensues. But within this seemingly random and anarchic strategy, there is a secret trap lying in wait for Thorin, Fili and Kili, the only remaining 3 heirs of Durin’s direct line. They are lured up to Ravenhill, where an uncharacteristically large and brutish orc by the name of Bolg is lying in wait.

Bolg's sole purpose is to wipe out these three dwarves, in order to weaken Erebor, and claim the kingdom for his master The Necromancer (who later turns out to be Sauron) Gandalf and Bilbo are the first to realize that it is a set-up, and foresee the danger that their friends are in, and Bilbo slips on the ring of power that he found in Gollum’s cave, and hurries up the mountain unseen by the enemy. But there is another character who has also realized the terrible trick that is being played, and rushes to the aid of the dwarf that she has begun to fall in love with.

By the time Tauriel reaches Kili at the top of Ravenhill, he has just watched his twin brother Fili be slaughtered in front of his eyes by Bolg. In a fit of rage, he pursues the orc, as does Tauriel, who gets there first and enters into a one-on-one battle with him. It is clear from the offset that Tauriel is outmatched, as Bolg picks her up and throws her against the rocks on the side of the mountain. This stunt in itself required a huge mechanism to pull the stunt double off her feet, and smash her against the large, hard edges of the set.

Although it looks very realistic in the films, many fans had trouble accepting the scene, because of what quickly follows. Bolg picks Tauriel up by the throat, and at this point, Kili arrives to defend her. Tauriel is cast aside, beaten and bruised, and can do nothing but watch as Bolg drives his massive dagger straight through Kili’s chest, killing him instantly.

This is one of the worst moments of the whole trilogy for Tauriel’s character because it is the first time in the history of watching these Middle Earth film adaptations that the audience sees an elf lose a fight or a battle, which instantly highlights Tauriel as a weaker character than any of the other elves previously portrayed. And what’s worse, not only does she fail to defeat her enemy, but it also results in the death of her closest loved one, which only adds to the blame and disappointment that people felt when they watched it.

There was a similar scene filmed for Thorin’s death, in which Dwalin, his most loyal cousin, was battling a hoard of orcs to try to reach Thorin before he could be killed by Azog. Ultimately, the ending was the same, with Thorin sacrificing himself in order to rid the world of the evil white orc, but in this version, Dwalin witnessed Thorin’s death, and could do nothing to save him because he arrived too late.

Peter Jackson and the directorial team decided to take this scene out because they didn’t want to show a dwarf failing. They felt that it didn’t fit right for the majesty of Dwalin’s character, which only makes it more frustrating that they held one standard for him, but another one entirely for Tauriel, who could have been the fierce, iconic and awe-inspiring female character she was intended as, but instead was made to be another undermined woman in the movie adaptations who fell utterly short of expectations.
 
The Hobbit is the evidence of corporations trying to force lightning to strike twice.
There will never be another LOTR movie trilogy, ever. Even with the same team and universe involved.

True magic cant be replicated.
Also who fucking cares, there is so much you criticize and yet you go with that.

Fuck head

Whenever I hear the word 'problematic', that's when I reach for my revolver.

HEY! STOP!! YOU CANT DO THAT!


Here *throw you Hyperion shotgun* Cant have you missing now, can we ?

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This is one of the worst moments of the whole trilogy for Tauriel’s character because it is the first time in the history of watching these Middle Earth film adaptations that the audience sees an elf lose a fight or a battle, which instantly highlights Tauriel as a weaker character than any of the other elves previously portrayed
Didn't Haldir and a bunch of Elves die in Helm's Deep? And we saw a bunch of Last Alliance Elf corpses/ghostses in the Dead Marshes. That's bunches of Elves who lost fights or battles.

As a rule, you can disregard anyone's opinion on Tolkien if they write "Middle Earth" instead of Middle-earth.
 
But she loved a man so much she became depressed and got sloppy seconds with Faramir according to these retards.

None of them understand Eowyn's character whatsoever because they only know the half-baked film version of her, and even then they don't watch the Extended Editions.
None of them even understand Faramir, but considering how Jackson did him dirty in the movies that's to be expected, I guess. Had one of the eventual Trannies on Spacebattles.com once tell me he liked movie Faramir better because "Faramir was a cypher." Iceberg3k always was a dumbass piece of shit, like most Trannies.
 
The Hobbit trilogy was terrible. Easily the most egregious example of Hollywood greed: taking a relatively short story and turning it into three movies, and adding new characters and scenes just to appeal to people who would not otherwise watch it.

Tauriel was hot, but also unnecessary.
I still don't know the whole story behind that trainwreck. Del Torro was originally meant to direct them but left after some disagreement with Warner Bros and they brought Jackson in but didn't let him prepare for stuff so he had to rely on CGI, allegedly.

Not that Jackson is innocent in this, Tauriel was his invention for a female audience, but I dont think it was his idea to make it three movies rather than two, Warner just forced him to and it caused a lot of bloat.
 
Fans hated Arwen's expanded role so much they cut her scenes at Helm's Deep and didn't even put them in the extended edition.
Was that something they beta'd with closed screenings or something? I didn't even realize she was supposed to have been at Helm's Deep.

I thought using her for rescuing Frodo et al. from the Nazgul after Weathertop was a justifiable change, honestly. Unless I am massively mistaken, besides Glorfidel finding them on the road, he was involved in the Council of Elrond--which was pared down to its barest of bare necessities--and then never showed up again. I saw it less as a "stronk wahmen, rawr grrl power!" moment and more as PJ trying to do a better job than Tolkien of setting up that Arwen and Aragorn were a Thing (TM).

...that doesn't excuse the whole "the life of the Eldar is leaving you UwU" bullshit that would happen later, but I digress.

Tauriel was a shitty idea because the movie didn't need a love interest or yet more characters added into a dramatis personae that already overflowed. Much less a fucking interracial romance budding between an elf and a dwarf. No, you do not get to undo the bromance of Legolas and Gimli and retroactively turn it into the 'realized' homosex version of your fantardery, Pedowood. Fuck off.

I never watched the third movie, having been pissed off at what happened in part 2, but I had enjoyed part 1 and looked forward to part 2. I didn't mind the inclusion of stuff from the appendices, either, explaining Gandalf's yo-yoing presence in the story. But, I am a sped, and I fully acknowledge that, so YMMV. Shrugs
 
Was that something they beta'd with closed screenings or something? I didn't even realize she was supposed to have been at Helm's Deep.

I thought using her for rescuing Frodo et al. from the Nazgul after Weathertop was a justifiable change, honestly.
Her introduction, pulling a sword on Aragorn as some kind of sword-kink flirting, was pretty stupid. And the scene where she faced the Nazgul at the ford was also stupid; the dialogue was poorly written, and giving her the active role here made Frodo passive and weak. In Tolkien's story this is where Frodo, near physical exhaustion and with no hope of escape, proves his mettle by resisting the Nazgul in a hopeless situation. Jackson turned him into a wheezing piece of luggage for Arwen. That's a pattern in Jackson's story, Frodo is made passive and manipulable, even cowardly. He hides from the Elves in the woods, he gets manhandled by Strider, he doesn't fight back on Amon Sul, he doesn't attack the troll with Boromir in the Chamber of Records, he gets mesmerized by a ghost in the Dead Marshes, he gets manhandled by Faramir, he gets mesmerized by a Nazgul, he gets conned by Gollum into sending Sam away when he's already being conned into feeding himself to Shelob, he doesn't get transfigured on Mount Doom and pronounce Gollum's fate, and when he gets back to the Shire he doesn't show any growth because Sharkey died prematurely so he can't lead the uprising. At the end he just sits in Bag End suffering from his injuries and PTSD until he sails away.

I saw it less as a "stronk wahmen, rawr grrl power!" moment and more as PJ trying to do a better job than Tolkien of setting up that Arwen and Aragorn were a Thing (TM).
Jackson established they were a Thing(TM) in the Imladris scene with the Enya song. It doesn't really happen during their brief exchange in the woods. That just established Arwen is a stronk wahmen who sneaks up on men and assaults them with deadly weapons to assert dominance.

Glorfindel was the one who prophesied the Witch-king would not be killed by a man; if they kept him here they could have worked that line in. It's not terribly important that he's the one who says it, but we lost so many of the named Elves I think they could have retained Glorfy. And Jackson could still shoot him with Frodo's wraith-vision, something that never really made sense when used with Arwen.
 
...and even then they don't watch the Extended Editions.
That's nearly nine fucking hours of Tolkien. I'm fond of LotR, but that's way too much. I found Eowyn's character arc perfectly toes the line between maiden and valkyrie archetypes. Sure, she's not a 1:1 copy of the Eowyn of the books, but in all reasonableness she was never going to be, even with the overlong Extended Editions.
 
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