The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Chugger]

I'm only here to remind everyone what a stupid person you are and that you've never been right about anything.

I'm inclined to believe you here, and that you really think I posted a diary entry of a Polish officer getting direct orders from Hitler not to kill all the Jews, so I can empathize here.

But I think you're also imagining things as a coping mechanism to deal with the obvious flaws in this idea that is very important to you--that the Holocaust didn't happen, and the debate isn't even close.

Probably you imagined I posted something like the above, but were likely simply misreading something else.

eg w/ the Bruns document, which says:

David Irving's Action Report On-line​

David Irving archive yields eye-witness account of shooting of Jews on eastern front, 1941
www.fpp.co.uk

CANARIS had the unsavoury task of waiting for the favourable moment to give the FÜHRER certain gentle hints. A fortnight later I visited the Oberbürgermeister or whatever he was called then, concerning some other business. ALTENMEYER(?) triumphantly showed me: "Here is an order, just issued, prohibiting mass-shootings on that scale from taking place in future. They are to be carried out more discreetly." From warnings given me recently I knew that I was receiving still more attentions from spies.

You could have read the line about the Fuhrer probiting "mass shootings on that scale from taking place", but ignored the next line "they are to be carried out more discreetly". So, in your brain at least, this would be clear cut anti-holocaust evidence, and more support for the overwhelmingly strong revisionist argument.

But now you have a chance to prove me wrong by revealing the Polish officer document.

 

[Bonesjones]

I'm inclined to believe you here, and that you really think I posted a diary entry of a Polish officer getting direct orders from Hitler not to kill all the Jews, so I can empathize here.

But I think you're also imagining things as a coping mechanism to deal with the obvious flaws in this idea that is very important to you--that the Holocaust didn't happen, and the debate isn't even close.

Probably you imagined I posted something like the above, but were likely simply misreading something else.

eg w/ the Bruns document, which says:

David Irving's Action Report On-line​

David Irving archive yields eye-witness account of shooting of Jews on eastern front, 1941
www.fpp.co.uk


You could have read the line about the Fuhrer probiting "mass shootings on that scale from taking place", but ignored the next line "they are to be carried out more discreetly". So, in your brain at least, this would be clear cut anti-holocaust evidence, and more support for the overwhelmingly strong revisionist argument.

But now you have a chance to prove me wrong by revealing the Polish officer document.

Lol you think I'm gonna read a single word of your post

 

[Chugger]

Lol you think I'm gonna read a single word of your post

That's ok, I'm sure other people will.

 

[Chugger]

I wanted to do a 'kiwifarms' style dissection of recent events at Codoh

First Matt Cockerill, the guy who's supposed to debate Mike P soon, showed up in my thread on Codoh (which I'm not allowed to post in since I'm banned) under the name HistorySpeaks

Then he engaged in a bit of polite debate, stimulating a flurry of activity on a typically quiet forum (our thread here was much much busier at the peak)

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14564

After making a few posts he mysteriously stopped. I can't log in so cannot check to see if he was banned, but another user (a revisionist) seemed to suggest he was banned by posting in the "banned" topics thread

I know how the moderator runs this shit so I expected this post to be deleted soon. It was shortly after and then the moderator posted this

So Cockerill was banned for using a sock puppet bearing his own name? Why did he need to create it in the first place? Such is life at Codoh, where the truth fears no debate.

 

[mrolonzo]

I wanted to do a 'kiwifarms' style dissection of recent events at Codoh

First Matt Cockerill, the guy who's supposed to debate Mike P soon, showed up in my thread on Codoh (which I'm not allowed to post in since I'm banned) under the name HistorySpeaks

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Then he engaged in a bit of polite debate, stimulating a flurry of activity on a typically quiet forum (our thread here was much much busier at the peak)

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14564

After making a few posts he mysteriously stopped. I can't log in so cannot check to see if he was banned, but another user (a revisionist) seemed to suggest he was banned by posting in the "banned" topics thread

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I know how the moderator runs this shit so I expected this post to be deleted soon. It was shortly after and then the moderator posted this

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So Cockerill was banned for using a sock puppet bearing his own name? Why did he need to create it in the first place? Such is life at Codoh, where the truth fears no debate.

The Posen speech has been dealt with on codoh and even here I think so I'll not bother with that rubbish right now.

As for Chugger / g10spana trying to denigrate codoh because he's got a beef with them (they won't let him avoid questions or avoid saying what he means), i offer this interesting commentary about him from a codoh thread;

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13476&p=98201&hilit=g10spana#p98201

I personally cannot help but notice how Gl0spana has been responded to many times, yet he has not responded in earnest once.

He has been making claims left right and centre, yet has failed to substantiate why, if he is right and we revisionists are wrong, why it would be that HE is actually right!? Why would the exterminationist narrative then be the correct one? Or to what extent does Gl0spana think that the exterminationist narrative is correct? What is his own views regarding the orthodox view? Does he believe in Gas Chambers and Gas Vans? Does he believe in a systematic process and orders to carry out the killing of Jews? Does he think there are mass graves? I'm yet to see him defend the foundations of his own position instead of trying, and failing, to "refute" some aspect of our position.

After all, lack of evidence isn't evidence then for the other side. The other side needs to substantiate with it's own tangible evidence why it is correct. It's immaterial whether or not Gl0spana is asking a "reasonable" question, for if he was "right" about the lack of records, that is all it means, is that there is a lack of records. It doesn't then prove what he personally believes in the affirmative, he would need more evidence to further substantiate a counter thesis. Which he hasn't done because he refuses to set in stone the parameters of his belief on the conventional narrative.

All of his responses to us are about the revisionist position, while he keeps his own position intentionally vague. He only implies that the other alternative to the revisionist narrative is that the Jews were killed. This is an impossible line of logic. The alternate to anything, is not then whatever we would prefer it to be, without adequate proof of our own. This is obvious.

Just for fun, let's take a look in the meantime at where Auschwitz's Jews are buried, all 1.1 million and Sobibor's 250,000 are (not even these skeletons have been identified by the best documented mass murder in history).

 

[Chugger]

"He has been making claims left right and centre, yet has failed to substantiate why, if he is right and we revisionists are wrong, why it would be that HE is actually right!? Why would the exterminationist narrative then be the correct one? "

I don't want this to turn into Rodoh again so I'll just say this: I asked Rapechu to provide just a single piece of evidence for 'resettlement' and he couldn't , even after I directed him to all the cutting edge revisionist writing on the subject. So you're asking me and others to believe in something which is completely unsubstantiated. Meanwhile there is a ton of of compelling evidence for the mainstream position, eg this partial list I posted earlier which I think is a great primer for anyone interested in the subject

Wetzel Letter http://web.archive.org/web/20140822060248/http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/

Letter from SS-Oberführer Viktor Brack to Reichsführer-SS Himmler, June 23, 1942: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/memoranda-to-himmler

https://www.yadvashem.org/untoldstories/documents/Report_by_Kube.pdf

http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/documents/4389-letters-and-reports-concerning?q=1104#p.6

Turner letter: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/10/contemporary-german-documents-on.html#_doc5

Becker letter: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/10/contemporary-german-documents-on.html#_doc9

Just Memo: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/10/contemporary-german-documents-on.html#_doc10

Strauch/Kube Dossier: https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=581842&sid=63afc0714bbb4515138a15d148b065bd#p581842

Himmler Report 51: https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/11/report-to-hitler-jews-executed-363211.html

Babi Yar documents http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/03/evidence-on-babi-yar-massacre-29-30.html

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2016/02/statement-of-maximilian-grabner.html

FG Report http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/08/nazi-document-on-mass-extermination-of.html

The Kinna Report - German Document on the Killing of Unfit Jews in Auschwitz​

Exploring Holocaust history. Debunking Holocaust denial.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

“The Jews buried in a little wood near Kulmhof”: Documenting Cremation at Chelmno​

Exploring Holocaust history. Debunking Holocaust denial.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

A Great Lie​

Exploring Holocaust history. Debunking Holocaust denial.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

Meet Otto Bene​

Exploring Holocaust history. Debunking Holocaust denial.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

Poetry: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-it-was-like.htmlhttp://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-it-was-like.html

Auschwitz Crematoria capacity
https://web.archive.org/web/20111119142516/http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab3-german-documents-ovens/

Goebbels diary

Posen speeches

Hundreds of secret recordings (touted by Cavendish Bentnick) which discuss mass shootings and gassing eg http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/Bruns/CSDICb.html and more can be found in https://1lib.us/book/2039608/732623 and https://1lib.us/book/3316468/fcfdd5

Contemporary excavations at Chelmno/Sobibor/Treblinka/Belzec https://www.researchgate.net/public...entres/link/553b8ec60cf29b5ee4b74602/download

Sassen Recordings, discussed earlier in this thread

Suchomel: https://youtu.be/jtgXqNsXsrE?t=516

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/04/contemporary-reports-of-killings-in.html

Blobel's activities at Chelmno https://twitter.com/rickshawhaw/status/1438328272153157632

Blobel and Group 1005: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2016/02/once-more-with-feeling-deniers-and.html

Jaeger report, Max Taubner case, Kremer diary: can be found in 'Good Old Days': https://1lib.us/book/3386059/d230de

 

[Lemmingwise]

I don't get why you guys don't do the codoh discussion at codoh.

 

[Bonesjones]

I don't get why you guys don't do the codoh discussion at codoh.

Because they won't let him bullshit his way around questions without getting banned

 

[Chugger]

Because they won't let him bullshit his way around questions without getting banned

On a normal forum dodging and bullshit debate tactics are called out and rightfully mocked and dissected (though I obviously disagree that I've been doing this here) . eg on skepticforum, deniers will routinely completely punt on the resettlement question and they are allowed to continue to engage and make fools out of themselves. If they violate community guidelines, they are removed in full view rather than the shadow banning that occurs on Codoh. I was banned without a peep or even a warning and probably the same with Cockerill

 

[mrolonzo]

On a normal forum dodging and bullshit debate tactics are called out and rightfully mocked and dissected (though I obviously disagree that I've been doing this here) . eg on skepticforum, deniers will routinely completely punt on the resettlement question and they are allowed to continue to engage and make fools out of themselves. If they violate community guidelines, they are removed in full view rather than the shadow banning that occurs on Codoh. I was banned without a peep or even a warning and probably the same with Cockerill

Regarding these documents. They're mostly inauthentic, copies of copies and /or have no lineage. But of course Chugger and the HC bloggers expected you to just swallow whatever world war two and subsequent propaganda had to offer the world.

As far as I see g10spana is not banned, but i could be wrong, and the mod did have this to say;

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13476&hilit=g10spana&start=30

Everyone can check out this guy for themselves.

In fact it goes like this, Chugger is asked to answer a point. He either refuses to say he doesn't know or yes that's a good point but, and instead starts talking about something else. Much like he does here. This is not accepted at codoh because it means any holocaust promoting psychopath can come and destroy reasonable inquiry. You either answer the questions in good faith or you go.

Skeptic forum are free to speculate, lie and act in bad faith all they like, moreover they along with revisionists can do so at rodoh also, where more freedom is allowed. Codoh is researching and creating a permanent historical record that will be around long after us and contributes to later studies using the latest research in for example of upcoming studies, the Sonderkommados, Dachau and a holocaust encyclopedia. It's not a play thing and revisionist, unlike believers are truly interested in inquiry and historical record, too many revisionists have already and are still today paying a heavy real price for their work. Believers pay nothing. Sacrifice nothing.


You are not expected to know everything or have all the answers. But you are not allowed to just post things to mess people around as holocaust promoters are want to do.

So here chuggers brings up resettlement while already knowing the revisionist position on this. Which is that while they have extensive documentary evidence of intention to resettle they don't really know and can't say too much about it how much actually happened in light of the eastern war,because they don't have the hard evidence. They can say quite a bit but they can't for example, complete a study on the matter. As true historians..

Anyway, here above chuggers just tried to foist a bunch of 'documents' on you provided by the HC bloggers.

Here's what their fellow believers, creators of a website promoting nazi camps as death camps, had to say about these charlatans;

In respect of the Holocaust Controversies group, it is true in their blogs they use foul language, but to be frank this is one of their lesser shortcomings, they cannot help this, and like awkward teenagers (although they are middle-aged men), maybe it is something they will grow out of.

We have an understandable dislike of this rather odious group, because of what their members have done, not what they say. They were responsible for producing countless fakes and forgeries, which they tried to implant on the http://www.deathcamps.org website. They did this over a number of years, long before they applied for membership to our team, courtesy of Michael Peters, and later during their probationary membership period. Even going so far as to mastermind a devious approach of mixing fakes and forgeries with genuine items, in a way that would be difficult to detect.

We managed to identify and contain the vast majority of these fakes and forgeries, like the forged Feix photograph from the website, sadly one or two of the higher quality fakes slipped through the net. We have removed false ID cards of Sobibor and Treblinka personnel and the fake Munzberger statement about Treblinka.It is our intention to fully re-build this website, following the shameful vandalism in 2006, but that has, and will continue to take some time.

The Holocaust Controversies purveyors of poison spin some story on their blog, but they conveniently leave out the part they played in the demise of ARC. Some researchers and historians they are?

They would appear to be tellers of half-truths and lies they seem to be masters at spreading hate and are not fit to represent anyone. They boasted about their exploits on RODOH, another hate-filled website, but they ensured that crashed into the ether when it became too incriminating for them. They have spread their poison far beyond their own blog, and can never be trusted by serious historians and researchers on the Holocaust.

http://www.deathcamps.org/editorial2013.html

These guys are today, amazingly, the standard bearers of today's holocaust research. They are recommended by Jewish holocaust groups even. Not that they've ever done a major work of course. Now if the holocaust was legitimate. Why would these guys be at the fore front? Away from these guys, why would holocaust be promoted by people who literally refuse criticism or debate? Why would it's foremost historians on the subject literally say that this thing happened on the basis that we already know it happened?

Unless of course, the holocaust is a matter of faith rather than reason. As it has proven to be.

 

[Chugger]

Regarding these documents. They're mostly inauthentic, copies of copies and /or have no lineage. But of course Chugger and the HC bloggers expected you to just swallow whatever world war two and subsequent propaganda had to offer the world.

@mrolonzo

None of those documents are unknown to the historical record. HC blog just provided high quality scans of them, so your problem should be with historians going back decades or the original apparent forgers of these documents.

In any case, none of these documents are clearly inauthentic in a way that say something like the Lachout / "Muller" document is. They could of course be extremely skilled fakes, but that could be said for any document that has ever been entered into the historical record.

Wetzel Letter http://web.archive.org/web/20140822060248/http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/

Letter from SS-Oberführer Viktor Brack to Reichsführer-SS Himmler, June 23, 1942: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/memoranda-to-himmler

https://www.yadvashem.org/untoldstories/documents/Report_by_Kube.pdf

http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/documents/4389-letters-and-reports-concerning?q=1104#p.6

Turner letter: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/10/contemporary-german-documents-on.html#_doc5

Becker letter: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/10/contemporary-german-documents-on.html#_doc9

Just Memo: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/10/contemporary-german-documents-on.html#_doc10

Strauch/Kube Dossier: https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=581842&sid=63afc0714bbb4515138a15d148b065bd#p581842

Himmler Report 51: https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/11/report-to-hitler-jews-executed-363211.html

Babi Yar documents http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/03/evidence-on-babi-yar-massacre-29-30.html

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2016/02/statement-of-maximilian-grabner.html

FG Report http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/08/nazi-document-on-mass-extermination-of.html

The Kinna Report - German Document on the Killing of Unfit Jews in Auschwitz​

Exploring Holocaust history. Debunking Holocaust denial.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

“The Jews buried in a little wood near Kulmhof”: Documenting Cremation at Chelmno​

Exploring Holocaust history. Debunking Holocaust denial.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

A Great Lie​

Exploring Holocaust history. Debunking Holocaust denial.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

Meet Otto Bene​

Exploring Holocaust history. Debunking Holocaust denial.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

Poetry: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-it-was-like.htmlhttp://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-it-was-like.html

Auschwitz Crematoria capacity
https://web.archive.org/web/20111119142516/http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab3-german-documents-ovens/

Goebbels diary

Posen speeches

Hundreds of secret recordings (touted by Cavendish Bentnick) which discuss mass shootings and gassing eg http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/Bruns/CSDICb.html and more can be found in https://1lib.us/book/2039608/732623 and https://1lib.us/book/3316468/fcfdd5

Contemporary excavations at Chelmno/Sobibor/Treblinka/Belzec https://www.researchgate.net/public...entres/link/553b8ec60cf29b5ee4b74602/download

Sassen Recordings, discussed earlier in this thread

Suchomel: https://youtu.be/jtgXqNsXsrE?t=516

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/04/contemporary-reports-of-killings-in.html

Blobel's activities at Chelmno https://twitter.com/rickshawhaw/status/1438328272153157632

Blobel and Group 1005: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2016/02/once-more-with-feeling-deniers-and.html

Jaeger report, Max Taubner case, Kremer diary: can be found in 'Good Old Days': https://1lib.us/book/3386059/d230de

 

[mrolonzo]

What exactly is the historical record? Who's record? Where? When? Why? Are you it's custodian?

Yes our problem is indeed with the "historians" going back decades or the original apparent forgers. Do you think just because you present these offerings that's enough?

Some documents are real. Some are fake. The Jaeger report has no lineage. Does not fit german military bureaucratic practice and is a copy of a copy.

Stop trying to baffle revisionists with bullshit.

 

[Chugger]

What exactly is the historical record? Who's record? Where? When? Why?

Historians. This includes revisionist historians.

The Jaeger report has no lineage. Does not fit german military bureaucratic practice and is a copy of a copy.

It's not a copy of a copy, it's a carbon copy (standard German practice during the war) and can be found in the Central Lithuanian Archives in Vilnius.

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/J%C3%A4ger_Report

There's also a handwritten note by Jager where he reinforces the numbers and therefore the authenticity of the report. The numbers and dates are further corroborated by numerous Einsatzgruppen reports, diary entries, and post war witness statements (including from Jager himself), not that you care about any of this.

On 1 February 1942, Jäger updated the totals to 136,421 Jews (46,403 men, 55,556 women and 34,464 children), 1,064 Communists, 653 mentally disabled, and 134 others in a handwritten note for Franz Walter Stahlecker.[1]

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

if Germans had allowed evacuation, 1.2 million civilians wouldn't have starved to death

you can try again

German Work Camp guards actually tried to relocate inmates to different more maintained camps not bombed by the allies but many of these trains were bombed by the allies themselves. They had no choice as many of the camps were bombed by the allies. These bombed camps have had no resources to feed to inmates and defend them from Lice and Typhus and thus had to be relocated. Many of these guards couldn't even relocate them because they lack the resources to. The most fucked up thing about this is because many of these inmates are full blown Zionist kikes, many of them blamed the German guards for the allied bombings and these guards suffered unreasonable executions because of it.

 

[Chugger]

I was looking into Jaeger report and found some interesting witness statements and supplementary documents here

I''ll quickly sum up

After the war Jaeger, as a known Einsatzgruppen leader (thru signed documents and witness statements), went into hiding and changed his name. German authorities found him almost 15 years after the war.

In his interrogation (23 pages long) he stated all the killings were real but he was just the guy who signed the documents.

This clashes what he said in the Jaeger report

""I also wanted to kill these Work Jews, including their families, which however brought upon me acrimonious challenges from the civil administration (the Reichskommisar) and the army and caused the prohibition: the Work Jews and their families are not to be shot!"

Witness statements point to Jaeger being more personally involved

Jaeger committed suicide in 1959, leaving this very sympathetic note for his "interrogator"

The Jaeger report was in Soviet hands and was not disclosed until 1963. I wonder what the conspiracy theorists on this forum will make of all this.

Note the handwriting in his suicide letter can be compared to his handwritten letter to Stahlecker in which he provides the totals for men, women, and children killed.

And we can see that this letter was in response to an order from Stahlecker to EK group commanders to send their breakdowns of executions, including specifically asking for kill counts of women and children.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

I was looking into Jaeger report and found some interesting witness statements and supplementary documents here

I''ll quickly sum up

After the war Jaeger, as a known Einsatzgruppen leader (thru signed documents and witness statements), went into hiding and changed his name. German authorities found him almost 15 years after the war.

In his interrogation (23 pages long) he stated all the killings were real but he was just the guy who signed the documents.

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This clashes what he said in the Jaeger report

""I also wanted to kill these Work Jews, including their families, which however brought upon me acrimonious challenges from the civil administration (the Reichskommisar) and the army and caused the prohibition: the Work Jews and their families are not to be shot!"

Witness statements point to Jaeger being more personally involved

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Jaeger committed suicide in 1959, leaving this very sympathetic note for his "interrogator"

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The Jaeger report was in Soviet hands and was not disclosed until 1963. I wonder what the conspiracy theorists on this forum will make of all this.

Note the handwriting in his suicide letter can be compared to his handwritten letter to Stahlecker in which he provides the totals for men, women, and children killed.

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And we can see that this letter was in response to an order from Stahlecker to EK group commanders to send their breakdowns of executions, including specifically asking for kill counts of women and children.

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You don't realize the remaining SS perssonel were being pressured by the kikes to lie to use this information against nationalists. These kikes would torture them with unfathomable and horrendously painful torture methods to get them to supposedly admit to something they never done in the first place.

 

[Plaguemine]

From what I gather, less of them would have died if the other countries just took them in when the germans told them to gtfo. But no one wanted them in as they had a history 109 reasons deep. So those who could not leave, were gathered. Last thing you want is your supposed enemies walking around.

Most were treated ok at first, evidence of that. BUT I like to think because allies were bombing the rail lines, bombing their camps, and just slowly winning over all. Germans had a hard enough time feeding themselves and getting supplies, let alone some workers in a camp. So what do you do with a bunch of people that cant fight or be trusted to do much of anything due to paranoia? You kinda...let them parish.

A lot got sick due to malnutrition that killed 200k-ish so says the red cross. The rest I do not think were gassed as that is just a pain in the ass for normie workers to manage properly on the level they would need it. I think it was just worked to death or allowed to just die out. That is not to say some places DIDNT gas em' . Just not many as would cause 6mil purely from gassing.

I also dont like that they never talk about (or if they do its a foot note) the polish and other captured people that also died. They always focus on THEM only and its really disingenuous and I think that is whats hurting the message over the years (as well as other reasons). Add that no one ever talks about the 30mill killed by the commies in russia and along with the president looking the other way when they arrested german POW after the war ended and allowed them to literally die in the elements/no food was given...that gets you a prefect storm for conspiracy and nutters love stringing stuff together like that because I keep seeing it.

I could be wrong but uh...I wouldnt be the first one. I just know in war the winner will ALWAYS cover their tracks of any wrong doing. But they did play a part in those people dyeing as well as the germans. In war there are no good guys.

 

[Chugger]

You don't realize the remaining SS perssonel were being pressured by the kikes to lie to use this information against nationalists. These kikes would torture them with unfathomable and horrendously painful torture methods to get them to supposedly admit to something they never done in the first place.

Hundreds of old SS men like Jaeger confessed to Holocaust related crimes before West German courts in the 50s and 60s. What evidence (eg testimony) is there that foul play occured here? I think there's nothing at all when it comes to West Germany

 

[Lemmingwise]

Hundreds of old SS men like Jaeger confessed to Holocaust related crimes before West German courts in the 50s and 60s

Epstein Jaeger didn't kill himself.

Memes aside, I don't think that someone who died in prison before receiving trial is an example of there certainly being no foul play.

 

[Chugger]

Epstein Jaeger didn't kill himself.

Memes aside, I don't think that someone who died in prison before receiving trial is an example of there certainly being no foul play.

well to be fair, in holocaust denier world, everything is an example of possible or probable foul play, eg confession, trial and sentencing, even interviews given years later

https://youtu.be/jtgXqNsXsrE?t=571

as a thought experiment, you should try to imagine or conceive of a piece of evidence that you wouldn't find suspicious