The hypothetical existence of a finite creator god

[Iwasamwillbe]

If one were to assume that the universe exists, is created, and is finite, then why is necessary for an infinite creator god to make it? A god of massive, yet finite power could just have easily made a finite universe.

If the universe's extent was just as far as (giving an example) the observable universe, why is it necessary for an infinite god to have created it?

 

[The Fool]

Kinda wish there were more religions with finite gods. Ancient Egyptian beliefs in gods, souls and the supernatural were really cool. Gods could kill each other, people could become gods, people could kill gods, it's crazy.

 

[Spooky Bones]

A sort of extended open theism?

 

[dreamworks face]

Finite gods generally exist for mythological purposes (e.g. Greek myths.) The big problem with a finite god is that if you posit the existence of a finite god, you ought to be able to go outside and find said god, somewhere. People also like to believe that their deities are all powerful. The infinite god is a) easier to argue exists, and b) affords more comfort if you are to believe in said god. The infinite god stuff also affords a lot more lee-way towards ontological arguments - taking down the literal anthropomorphic dude in the sky is something a child can do, but once the philosophers start bringing in their ontological arguments and you have the literal circle jerk involving every philosopher from anselm to kant to spinoza, you realize you could continue an argument that has been going on for hundreds of years unabated with nothing useful discovered as consequence, or you could drop a bunch of acid and teach yourself how to bunny-hop in Counterstrike Source. I know which one I did.

 

[Vlinny-kun]

If there is a finite god that created the universe, then could one be able to tell if god is dead or not, whether by natural causes or something killing it? Also, would this finite god have children? How did this finite god come into existence? Are there more than one gods out their creating their own universes?

All these questions come to play when someone talks about a finite god (or gods) rather than one infinite God, and it is much more of a complicated idea. The closest we got to answering these questions is any polytheistic religion that had gods murdering each other for whatever reason and these assumptions of finite gods display human-like characteristics. I think they aren't too off on guessing on how finite gods would act around each other, like gods having motivations and emotions and bonds, unless gods were independent creatures like cats whitch I am not likely to believe given how advanced social creatures on Earth tend to be (like us humans).

My guess is that if there is a finite god out there that created the universe, they would not be alone and would be tearing shit up ether on themselves or in the universe for whatever reason, and we are not seeing any of that as far as we know. One single infinite God it is then.

 

[Nephi]

then could one be able to tell if god is dead or not

Nietzsche's "God is dead" isn't supposed to be taken literally.
That's something morons such as you just don't get.

A sort of extended open theism?

Actually what OP is talking about is the opposite of Open Theism. Don't Open Theists, just like Calvinist, like to insist in how all-powerful and all-knowing God is?
Open Theism is very similar to Calvinism but with Evangelist features, isn't it?

 

[Y2K Baby]

Kinda wish there were more religions with finite gods. Ancient Egyptian beliefs in gods, souls and the supernatural were really cool. Gods could kill each other, people could become gods, people could kill gods, it's crazy.

What if a dude claimed to kill all Gods then
You'd just have SMT
Or is Egypt just SMT to begin with

 

[Nephi]

What if a dude claimed to kill all Gods then
You'd just have SMT
Or is Egypt just SMT to begin with

I was about to take this dumbass post seriously, then realised who made it.
Stay classy Y2K Baby

 

[Y2K Baby]

I was about to take this dumbass post seriously, then realised who made it.
Stay classy Y2K Baby

That post is not dumbass, you filthy child.

 

[Harvey Danger]

If we're talking "universe" in the sense of all the observable laws and contents, and something that created it, then the Creator had to create time, space, and matter. Which means the Creator, by definition, exists outside of time and space. I don't know if that fits your definition of "infinite", but usually a finite exists-entirely-within-universe god doesn't meet that criteria.

You can have a bunch of finite gods as well, who didn't create the Universe. Or you can define creation downwards so that The Universe becomes the highest order of existence possible. But then that kind of pushes The Universe itself into the status of "god", since it imposes its will and creates everything, including itself if you accept the Big Bang implications.

At which point the argument becomes silly and you're better off hitting that joint a 3rd time instead of posting.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Do you want the REAL answer?

It's not impossible that the world we inhabit was created by a being that is extraordinarily powerful but ultimately finite. But to talk about such a being as the origin of existence in the more general sense doesn't work. Finite, contingent beings don't and can't account for their own existence. They're dependent on something else. No matter how many finitudes you have, it never reaches infinity. No matter how far back into the past you reach, it's turtles all the way down.

The only way out is if the buck stops with a non-contingent, necessary, infinite being that grounds everything else. For the sake of convenience, humans usually refer to such a being as God.

 

[Wraith]

Like wow man, *clips toe nail, it goes flying off* can you believe the idea of an infinite being, a God wanting to do things just like, *clips a toe nail and it shatters the TV screen* because he like wanted to, man? What if God, you know, like wants stuff, *clips a toe nail* and one thing is to show His infinite love to limited creatures just like someone loading a Minecraft new map *clips a toe nail and it goes into Mindy's soup* or something, like right? *takes a hit* Ah damn am I high at 5 in the morning.