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IndigoDownSuperEgoUp said:
Is it true that the caste system is essentially an extension of izzat?
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Izzat and the caste system go hand-in-hand. Your caste determines your Izzat. Let's take dalits, for example. They are treated as living, breathing Izzat blackholes. Them acting beyond their station (i.e. dressing nicely, growing a moustache) is seen as an collective affront to every other caste's Izzat. A dalit man refusing to let his daughter marry a higher caste Indian is instant grounds for an Izzat feud, one which the dalit will most certainly lose for the crime of being born into a lower caste.

There was one story of a dalit man who owned a horse. Everyone around him screamed at him that he couldn't own and ride a horse because he was offending everyone else's izzat. He refused to stop riding the horse, so on the day of his wedding, he was hacked to pieces with machetes. Izzat acts as the brutal enforcer of caste.

I do hate Indians, but the pointless cruelty inflicted on dalits is really sad.
 
GluttonousManSlob said:
Izzat and the caste system go hand-in-hand. Your caste determines your Izzat. Let's take dalits, for example. They are treated as living, breathing Izzat blackholes. Them acting beyond their station (i.e. dressing nicely, growing a moustache) is seen as an collective affront to every other caste's Izzat. A dalit man refusing to let his daughter marry a higher caste Indian is instant grounds for an Izzat feud, one which the dalit will most certainly lose for the crime of being born into a lower caste.

There was one story of a dalit man who owned a horse. Everyone around him screamed at him that he couldn't own and ride a horse because he was offending everyone else's izzat. He refused to stop riding the horse, so on the day of his wedding, he was hacked to pieces with machetes. Izzat acts as the brutal enforcer of caste.

I do hate Indians, but the pointless cruelty inflicted on dalits is really sad.
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Is it possible that systems similar to the Izzat system emerge wherever enlightenment values are suppressed?
 
IndigoDownSuperEgoUp said:
Is it possible that systems similar to the Izzat system emerge wherever enlightenment values are suppressed?
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It's entirely possible. Izzat thrives in places where a central authority is unable to step in and stomp it out. There were several similar practices in the west (like the before mentioned vendetta) which were eventually eradicated because these groups were unable to resist the state's monopoly on violence. As I said before, because the police are also dragged into Izzat, the Indian state is unable to intervene or destroy Izzat.

Izzat is also very successful against more passive ideologies. While there are competing schools of thought in India such as Dharma, the harsh reality is an Izzat adherent who doesn't give a fuck about Dharmic values is going to slaughter someone who does with a knife.
 
GluttonousManSlob said:
It's entirely possible. Izzat thrives in places where a central authority is unable to step in and stomp it out. There were several similar practices in the west (like the before mentioned vendetta) which were eventually eradicated because these groups were unable to resist the state's monopoly on violence. As I said before, because the police are also dragged into Izzat, the Indian state is unable to intervene or destroy Izzat.

Izzat is also very successful against more passive ideologies. While there are competing schools of thought in India such as Dharma, the harsh reality is an Izzat adherent who doesn't give a fuck about Dharmic values is going to slaughter someone who does with a knife.
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What of jugaad’s more subtle interactions with Izzat? Also I can’t help but ask but is the whole cow shit worship thing an extension of Izzat through false masculinity or something?
 
IndigoDownSuperEgoUp said:
What of jugaad’s more subtle interactions with Izzat? Also I can’t help but ask but is the whole cow shit worship thing an extension of Izzat through false masculinity or something?
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Jugaad is seen as a clever workaround using limited resources. Indians frame it as being some profound philosophical aspect about navigating their culture. But what it can be more accurately described as is having no scruples and exploiting things for your own gain. For example, with the water pipe problem, you contact a cousin of a cousin, you bribe the right official and now you can have a new water pipe connected to your house. Jugaad is celebrated among Indians as being resourceful or inventive, as you're beating the system with your own ingenuity. Pulling off a 'clever' jugaad scheme is a way to earn yourself Izzat.

But when your jugaad doesn't play out the way you want, it's a loss of Izzat because you look stupid. Izzat is about the ends, not the means. It doesn't matter if your jugaad is ripping off a charity or scamming a dementia ridden grandmother of her life savings. If it achieves the ends you wanted, then you're celebrated.

As for the cow shit worship thing, I honestly have no fucking idea. It's probably some autistic hangover from Hinduism about the sacredness of cows or whatever. As I said before, you are permitted to get away with just about anything provided you can win Izzat disputes. Maybe someone starting eating cow shit and murdered everyone who criticized him, so here we are.
 
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GluttonousManSlob said:
There was one story of a dalit man who owned a horse. Everyone around him screamed at him that he couldn't own and ride a horse because he was offending everyone else's izzat. He refused to stop riding the horse, so on the day of his wedding, he was hacked to pieces with machetes. Izzat acts as the brutal enforcer of caste.
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Didn't a Dalit man get beaten to death for wearing sunglasses?
What a backwards system.
 
GluttonousManSlob said:
Jugaad is seen as a clever workaround using limited resources. Indians frame it as being some profound philosophical aspect about navigating their culture. But what it can be more accurately described as is having no scruples and exploiting things for your own gain. For example, with the water pipe problem, you contact a cousin of a cousin, you bribe the right official and now you can have a new water pipe connected to your house. Jugaad is celebrated among Indians as being resourceful or inventive, as you're beating the system with your own ingenuity. Pulling off a 'clever' jugaad scheme is a way to earn yourself Izzat.

But when your jugaad doesn't play out the way you want, it's a loss of Izzat because you look stupid. Izzat is about the ends, not the means. It doesn't matter if your jugaad is ripping off a charity or scamming a dementia ridden grandmother of her life savings. If it achieves the ends you wanted, then you're celebrated.

As for the cow shit worship thing, I honestly have no fucking idea. It's probably some autistic hangover from Hinduism about the sacredness of cows or whatever. As I said before, you are permitted to get away with just about anything provided you can win Izzat disputes. Maybe someone starting eating cow shit and murdered everyone who criticized him, so here we are.
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What about the Izzat of the dregs and mutants of indian society, such as Aghoris? Do they brutally enforce anything truly bizarre?
 
GluttonousManSlob said:
Hi. I didn't see this term mentioned in the thread, so I wanted to share this all with you. It's about Izzat. Some posts have mentioned 'saving face', which is Izzat, but I wanted to elaborate on it.
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This was horrifying to read. So the very foundations of their society is nothing but collective punishment and collective honour?
If I read all of this right, if say a Dalit man questions a Brahmin man's work: this wasn't just an affront to the Brahmin's abilities, it's an affront to his honour as a person and the honour of his entire caste. If he concedes, he's losing large chunks of Izzat for his entire caste, while the Dalit questioning him doesn't really gain anything. He's not benefiting from questioning someone's work, there's no transaction here. In order to gain this Izzat back, or even get more out it, the group is incentivised to avenge with the utmost brutality imaginable.
Seeing a Dalit man enjoying the fruits of his labour, wanting to look good (lol, I know, Indian) and have good things is seen as challenging every other caste's Izzat.
The Jugaad allows the jeet to cheat, scam, steal and even rape, torture and murder because it boosts their Izzat if they get away with it.

So this is why the jeet I used to work with never fucking backs down and never admits to any wrongdoing. Each time I want to help him with his work, I'm not helping him or the team to achieve the KPI, I am attacking his Izzat and his entire caste. This was also why my previous workplace was enjeetified. It wasn't jeet nepotism, it's seen as gaining this non-existence batshit insane virtual currency in their dogshit culture.
And conversely this is why some of the Christian Indians I met seemed so nice. I heard that converting to Christianity or another religion (like Islam) frees the person from their caste. This means they no longer have to play this insane game of virtual currency gain.

This is also why nothing ever gets done in India. That pile of trash in New Dehli was supposed to be removed in 2018, then 2022, now it's 2028. If they were to remove it, it's seen as conceding and a collective loss of Izzat. So if they leave it there and even if something happens like another fucking trash landslide, it doesn't touch their Izzat.

How can a society be so fucking backwards? This sounds insane.

The Dalit man was beaten up and thrashed for wearing good clothes and sunglasses.
It seems like caste doesn't care about achievement, personal wealth, and personal growth. It's purely genetic lottery (which they've lost already being born Indian LMFAO).
Every functional country should ban this garbage system.
 
IndigoDownSuperEgoUp said:
What about the Izzat of the dregs and mutants of indian society, such as Aghoris? Do they brutally enforce anything truly bizarre?
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Aghoris are a special case. They are outsiders who have very deliberately rejected any and all traditions, which would include Izzat. They do everything they can to disrespect Hinduism and whatever Indian society finds sacred. They call this Ashuchi or 'impurity'. While I can't find any specific sources regarding how Izzat would interact with this specific group, I think it's safe to presume that willingly speaking or associating with Aghoris would be seen as a huge loss of Izzat. Their very existence is seen as spiritual radiation.

Other ascetic traditions in India also cloister themselves from public life. It's a legitimate pathway out of the petty cycles of revenge that Izzat follows.
AltisticRight said:
If I read all of this right, if say a Dalit man questions a Brahmin man's work: this wasn't just an affront to the Brahmin's abilities, it's an affront to his honour as a person and the honour of his entire caste. If he concedes, he's losing large chunks of Izzat for his entire caste, while the Dalit questioning him doesn't really gain anything. He's not benefiting from questioning someone's work, there's no transaction here. In order to gain this Izzat back, or even get more out it, the group is incentivised to avenge with the utmost brutality imaginable.
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Yes, the dalit would not only face punishment, but everybody associated with him would also suffer collective be-izzati (dishonour) from him daring to question his Brahmin superior. There's no gain to be had from criticism, so what Izzat does is dissuade people from speaking their minds out of fear of punishment.

AltisticRight said:
So this is why the jeet I used to work with never fucking backs down and never admits to any wrongdoing. Each time I want to help him with his work, I'm not helping him or the team to achieve the KPI, I am attacking his Izzat and his entire caste. This was also why my previous workplace was enjeetified. It wasn't jeet nepotism, it's seen as gaining this non-existence batshit insane virtual currency in their dogshit culture.
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Yeah, exactly. If he had done that, he would have been humiliating himself willingly by admitting he was wrong. So he will just flatout refuse to take any responsibility for his terrible work. Of course, I could be wrong in my understanding of Izzat, but I think what makes this so compelling is that everybody here can see the Izzat pattern running underneath every interaction or story about Indians. It ties everything together. I've seen a lot of words like nepotism, cronyism, ethnic stacking, cheating, scamming, fraud, but Izzat is what explains it all.
 
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GluttonousManSlob said:
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Utterly fascinating and almost difficult to believe. I’ve even read that high izzatiyas (if there is a word for practioners of izzat it would be useful, i’ll call them izzatiyas for now) would even say that aghoris are ‘pure beings’ to deflect from izzat loss.
And that Christian converts carry on their izzat, and maintain it (they just add some Christian values and call it done)
I think I’m ready to spread this knowledge IRL. Aside from Indians directly attacking me because my exposing of izzat is a direct interaction with izzat, are there any subtleties and control mechanisms I should be aware of?
 
GluttonousManSlob said:
Izzat has no direct translation into English
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"Face" may very well be a good direct comparison as the term comes from Chinese culture that also has the concept of collective honor and collective punishment. This is part of why North Korea kills entire families as punishments for crime - because that is traditionally what East-Asians have done.

Although the Indian version seems far more superficial and retarded.... which generally applies to most Indian things.
 
IndigoDownSuperEgoUp said:
I think I’m ready to spread this knowledge IRL. Aside from Indians directly attacking me because my exposing of izzat is a direct interaction with izzat, are there any subtleties and control mechanisms I should be aware of?
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I'm glad I could help you in your understanding. If you want to find more academic sources on the concept of Izzat, you need to search for 'honour culture' or 'honour culture south east asia', honour culture being the more formal academic term for the Izzat phenomena. You'll find a lot of results for honour killing (practiced in order to restore Izzat).

One of the subtleties to keep in mind about this topic is that it's about a system. Indians may claim 'not all Indians' as a quick deflection, but that's not the point. The point is this system exists and it's had real, serious consequences for generations. If it wasn't a real phenomena in Indian society, Izzat wouldn't exist as a term.
Slap47 said:
"Face" may very well be a good direct comparison as the term comes from Chinese culture that also has the concept of collective honor and collective punishment. This is part of why North Korea kills entire families as punishments for crime - because that is traditionally what East-Asians have done.

Although the Indian version seems far more superficial and retarded.... which generally applies to most Indian things.
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Yeah, face is an excellent translation of the idea. But I feel that calling it Izzat creates a much stronger impression of the concept. Either way works.
 
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AndSothisIsChristmas said:
In this case, would the best recourse for whites be adopting and exploiting Izzat in our interactions with Indians?
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I think the best thing we can do with this information is incorporate it into pajeet memes, all we need is a catchy word for losing izaat...
GluttonousManSlob said:
suffer collective be-izzati (dishonour)
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Perfect!

Simply replying to pajeets pajeeting up the internet with "be-izzati" could prove to be very effective against them.

Whether or not it makes sense in context doesn't even matter, just bringing it up has a high chance of initiating a downward spiral.

Edit: "Jugaad exposed" also a good phrase to throw at them.
 
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