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Luckily we do not need to make such a choice - we can have a mostly fine economy and just continue to eject these shit crickets.
Our economy is set to implode within a decade due to structural dysfunction the nation is incapable of fixing, and since we can't force the world to accept our printed money as the petrodollar fades and national-debt holders lose faith in payment. We have two infinitely expanding bubbles in AI and housing, and a cultural demand for infinite growth.


All we have to do is stop feeling sorry for them and stop making excuses for them being here.
Our "excuses" for them being here is that our economy is structurally dependent on infinite growth in spite of below-replacement birthrates; and that Americans overwhelmingly share your belief that America is just that much better to live in than anywhere else in the world, so we need them to want to come to America.
 
An idea I've come across I propose in good faith: The reason mass migration is bipartisanly supported is because the overwhelming majority of Westerners want to believe the West is the pinnacle of civilization; which is best evidenced by people wanting to migrate to it
It's far too complex a topic, but the fundamental reason is essentially the victory of French revolutionary thought across institutions in the West and attempting to remove all forms of hierarchy in existence so that mankind can finally fulfill their paradisaical state of nature.

This is why simply identifying as a thing (eg: I am British because my passport says so) and circular reasoning (a woman is a person that identifies as a woman) is so in vogue in the institutions.

Mass migration fulfills this simultaneously: all those 100% English people who just happened to be born in Uttar Pradesh can finally come to their home country, and the mass turmoil and societal alienation will give the state the reason to continue with it's repression of native consciousness and venerating the foreign. It's a Fabian tactic, similar to Lenin printing the Ruble into nothing because it would lead to a non-monetary barter system, a step closer to his revolutionary paradise.

The reason it's bipartisan is because the institutions, from cradle to grave, are 100% behind this. Lefties and righties in power go to the same schools and universities and disagree only on the margins. Those who fall outside the margins (eg: the left as embodied in Marine Le Pen and the right as embodied in Rupert Lowe, there are others too) are shunned and repressed by the institutions as much as they are able, who then hide behind impartiality when questioned (eg: Marine Le Pen getting into all sorts of issues with campaign financing despite doing exactly what she was supposed to because the rules are so contradictory, and intentionally so, but enforced only on those outside the institutional margin).
You underestimate just how much of a shithole India is and how far we'd have to fall for them to leave.
Our economy is set to implode within a decade due to structural dysfunction the nation is incapable of fixing, and since we can't force the world to accept our printed money as the petrodollar fades and national-debt holders lose faith in payment. We have two infinitely expanding bubbles in AI and housing, and a cultural demand for infinite growth.
This is like my fourth reminder in this thread on just how abjectively hellish of a shithole India is.

@Fcret is correct in terms of just how much we'd need to fall to get them to voluntarily leave.

US GDP per capita is roughly $90,000 against India's around $2,800 per capita.

For context, the US GDP per capita (in today's dollars) in 1930 following the massive collapse of 1929 was about $6,000 to $8,000, at least twice to almost three times as productive as India today. In the same period, Indian GDP per capita was around $1,000 in today's terms. That's 17% the productivity then versus 3% the productivity. The US grew by about 15 to 11.3 times in GDP per capita, versus India's paltry 2.8 times, over almost 100 years.

The West could collapse tomorrow, and so long as GDP per capita remained above where they were in the 1880s they would be on par or wealthier than India.

Even middling OECD countries like Australia or South Korea would be looking at retaining the 1970s/1980s productivity to exceed modern India. The worst performing OECD state, Colombia, last matched India's GDP per capita in 2004 and has tripled since.

So yeah, there could be a disaster that completely wipes out 75% of the economy of the OECD and there'd be only a handful of countries worse than India. The rest would still performing at levels of historical booms, or historical shrinking where families still owned a car and had a stay-at-home wife. This isn't even taking into account the fact that culturally you wouldn't be living somewhere where your societal value is measured by star signs at your birth, or where eating shit and piss is a holy activity.

India is essentially Bombay, Mumbai, Calcutta, New Delhi and Chennai propping up 1.4 billion people who don't have running water.
 
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And let's strongman the argument - even if we do need mass immigration to 'fix' the economy, there's zero reason why it must specifically be from India.

Indian labor is legendarily unproductive. Their domination in shitty software has much to do with the fact that productivity measurements for that industry are notoriously tricky to quantify and boomers remain permanently buttmad that the arcane systems that drive their businesses are created by highly-paid middle-class professionals. In no other kind of industry do you see Indians dominating at home - even when companies roll out the red carpet with generous FDI to get manufacturing going there, the result is shit-smeared iPhones with tons of problems.

There's also no reason to accept immigration from a country with a surplus male population looking to dump its surplus on other places.

Oh, and there's definitely no reason to accept immigration from a country that actively oppresses religious minorities including the majority religion of the country they're ambling to immigrate to.

There's plenty of countries to draw labor from. India isn't special and it shouldn't even be considered.
 
I'll try to be more clear with my central point: American exceptionalism is very likely the direct cause of mass migration. Immigrants are not trying to replace Americans because America is exceptional; Americans are trying to buy immigrants, to maintain American exceptionalism. The dynamic is quite possibly entirely reverse of what is commonly described; and the same dynamic appears to be playing across the West.

There's plenty of countries to draw labor from. India isn't special and it shouldn't even be considered.
From what I understand, the reason India is currently being drawn from for labor is because we've already attracted what we could of Mexican and broader Latin American talent. They also have a lot of talent that is currently in need (regardless of their quality). I am not saying they are better or anything; I am trying to articulate the rationale of why the nation is prioritizing attracting Indians right now.
 
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I'll try to be more clear with my central point: American exceptionalism is very likely the direct cause of mass migration. Immigrants are not trying to replace Americans because America is exceptional; Americans are trying to buy immigrants, to maintain American exceptionalism. The dynamic is quite possibly entirely reverse of what is commonly described; and the same dynamic appears to be playing across the West.


From what I understand, the reason India is currently being drawn from for labor is because we've already attracted what we could of Mexican and broader Latin American talent. They also have a lot of talent that is currently in need (regardless of their quality). I am not saying they are better or anything; I am trying to articulate the rationale of why the nation is prioritizing attracting Indians right now.
You are retarded.

That is all.
 
From what I understand, the reason India is currently being drawn from for labor is because we've already attracted what we could of Mexican and broader Latin American talent. They also have a lot of talent that is currently in need (regardless of their quality). I am not saying they are better or anything; I am trying to articulate the rationale of why the nation is prioritizing attracting Indians right now.
They want to attract Indians because they're human cockroaches who live in squalor, accept awful conditions for 200 rupees an hour and have no workers' rights. No one is hiring pajeets for their talent. They only say they are because it's more palatable than 'we want to import retarded brown slave labour to suppress wages'.
 
They also have a lot of talent that is currently in need (regardless of their quality)
It really doesn't have anything to do with "talent", the people who make these decisions are either retarded non-jeets and think having some 60-70 IQ mongoloid who eats cow shit in a position is better than having nobody (which is not true for many reasons) or they're jeets themselves looking to hire other jeets that they can hold leverage over. Anyone who outsources to or imports indians and thinks they're saving money has brain damage because your company will operate more effectively for cheaper by just being understaffed instead.
 
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I'll try to be more clear with my central point: American exceptionalism is very likely the direct cause of mass migration. Immigrants are not trying to replace Americans because America is exceptional; Americans are trying to buy immigrants, to maintain American exceptionalism. The dynamic is quite possibly entirely reverse of what is commonly described; and the same dynamic appears to be playing across the West.
If Indians were talented, India would have been a superpower within a decade or two of independence from Britain. All the non-human conditions that enabled the United States to become a superpower exist in India.
  • Vast Land - Modern India is one third the size of the US, and about half as big as the US excluding Alaska. Making it the 7th largest nation on earth (even larger if you include the break aways).
  • Natural Resources - India is rich in coal and iron (necessary for steal), has many large navigable rivers, has little internal geographic barriers (no mountain chains to divide the coast from the interior to limit trade and movement), only 13% of India is desert compared to about a third for the US.
  • Protected from near rivals via geography - Himalayas to the north, Indian Ocean to the south, mountainous desert to the west and mountainous jungle to the east; making it a task for any invading army to simply reach India.
  • Economics - Central location on historic and modern trade routes, be they over land or by sea, able to produce all sorts of valuable trade goods: tea, coffee, wheat, about the only source of ivory outside of Africa, aforementioned coal, and iron etc... Only reason Britain ended up ruling India was because of the resources.
  • Massive population - India had over twice as many people at independence in 47 as America did, and has about four times current US population. even higher if you include the break aways.
There is no justification as to why India isn't a superpower if you are a bugmen redditor who thinks race is skin deep. When the British left India, they left a nation with all the conditions necessary for prominence on the world stage. Democracy, education, infrastructure, etc... So blaming colonialism is ludicrous coping. The reason India is not, and will never be a superpower is because of Indians. Their culture, their diets, their religions, their genetics all hinder them to an absurd degree. Even basic ideals of cleanliness is seen as western, colonialist, and bad in India. You could swap the places of early Americans with the Indian, and the only substantial difference would be us asking "Why are we letting these stinking street shitting hindus into our subcontinent again?"

American Exceptionalism is a product of western tradition stretching back to the ancient Greeks. Which itself is a product of our genetics. Not because we crammed a bunch of Italians, Irish, and whoever else into the north east back in the early 20th century.
 
It really doesn't have anything to do with "talent", the people who make these decisions are either retarded non-jeets and think having some 60-70 IQ mongoloid who eats cow shit in a position is better than having nobody (which is not true for many reasons) or they're jeets themselves looking to hire other jeets that they can hold leverage over. Anyone who outsources to or imports indians and thinks they're saving money has brain damage because your company will operate more effectively for cheaper by just being understaffed instead.

The software company I used to work for outsourced to India, and our US-based product architect put it best "They've just swapped sewing machines for code." They got very specific instructions, did what they were told, and kissed our American asses to an annoying degree. The quality wasn't great, but that company didn't care. When it was acquired by a bigger company, they kept the jeets to maintain legacy products, but all of the cutting-edge products are developed in North America.
 
If Indians were talented, India would have been a superpower within a decade or two of independence from Britain. All the non-human conditions that enabled the United States to become a superpower exist in India.
  • Vast Land - Modern India is one third the size of the US, and about half as big as the US excluding Alaska. Making it the 7th largest nation on earth (even larger if you include the break aways).
  • Natural Resources - India is rich in coal and iron (necessary for steal), has many large navigable rivers, has little internal geographic barriers (no mountain chains to divide the coast from the interior to limit trade and movement), only 13% of India is desert compared to about a third for the US.
  • Protected from near rivals via geography - Himalayas to the north, Indian Ocean to the south, mountainous desert to the west and mountainous jungle to the east; making it a task for any invading army to simply reach India.
  • Economics - Central location on historic and modern trade routes, be they over land or by sea, able to produce all sorts of valuable trade goods: tea, coffee, wheat, about the only source of ivory outside of Africa, aforementioned coal, and iron etc... Only reason Britain ended up ruling India was because of the resources.
  • Massive population - India had over twice as many people at independence in 47 as America did, and has about four times current US population. even higher if you include the break aways.

India Also has as much quality arable land as the USA and the ability to produce multiple crops a year.
 
There's plenty of countries to draw labor from. India isn't special and it shouldn't even be considered.
The plan was to build up India as a counterweight to China. Part of that was acquiescing to Indian demands in allowing unlimited migration of their people to Western nations, as well as moving production of things like iPhones from China to India.

Of course none of this is going the way the elites thought it would. Unlimited Indian immigration has made nativism an acceptable plank in politics again since its being used as a straight wage suppression scam at all levels of society. And Foxconn/Wistron's India operations are such a mess they are just disassembling iPhones assembled in China and reassembling them so they can get the made in India origin badge:

McGee quoted a manufacturing design engineer who jokingly said made-in-India iPhones are “assembled in China, disassembled there, and then sent to China for reassembly”.
 
The plan was to build up India as a counterweight to China. Part of that was acquiescing to Indian demands in allowing unlimited migration of their people to Western nations, as well as moving production of things like iPhones from China to India.

Of course none of this is going the way the elites thought it would. Unlimited Indian immigration has made nativism an acceptable plank in politics again since its being used as a straight wage suppression scam at all levels of society. And Foxconn/Wistron's India operations are such a mess they are just disassembling iPhones assembled in China and reassembling them so they can get the made in India origin badge:
Yes, boomers hate China due to them being gommie but they have a bizarre blind spot for India due to them speaking English, kissing ass, and all the hippie India-glazing in the second half of the 20th century. Even though India itself was also semi-gommie and even aligned with the USSR back in the day.

It's kinda wild how India is singlehandedly reviving American nativism. We had decades of pretty high immigration from shitholes and while there's always been anti-immigrant sentiment, it's been relatively tame and couched in, "well the legal ones are fine." India not only amped American nativism up to 11 but also made legal immigration a poison pill for any party to touch.
 
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