The India Menace - Street shitting, unsanitary practices, scams, Hindu extremism & other things

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Althalus said:
Ironically, India is the one country where Marxist rhetoric was most applicable (blatant class/caste system) and the one country where a Communist revolution might actually have been a net benefit. Imagine a cultural revolution that abolished the caste system, abolished the retarded religious practices, abolished the arranged marriage nonsense, harshly punished any kind of murder/rape, and used conscripted labor to build commieblocks to replace the mud huts. And any Indian opposing the Communists would have been purged.

Communist and Post-Communist India would still be a shithole, but it would be a considerable improvement.
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The initial managers of post-colonial India were Fabian socialists enamored with the conveniences and benefits that the UK offered their citizens after the war. For example, the UK instituted the NHS and regional NHS trusts so the Indians aped them the same way with the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS). Except they only built one in New Delhi in 1956 and it took a half century to build another one somewhere else. Even today AIIMS hospitals suffer from extreme overcrowding and patients have to make do with lying on the floor while doctors step around them on their way to other patients. During the pandemic public hospitals collapsed so thoroughly that Accenture and Deloitte essentially bought out entire private hospitals solely for the treatment of their own employees.

For a long time, India had 5 year plans just like China and Russia. In the 90s they started to give up that planning apparatus by cutting them down to "1 year plans" and then removing planning from the state sector entirely, embracing neoliberalism like the UK and anglosphere. Except America and the rest had a century's worth or more of public goods to fire sale to private interests, India started off with nothing and fire sold what little they had to ruthless plutocrats like Adani.

You are correct, a communism with indian characteristics was what was needed but instead copied everyone else with hilariously predictable results.
 
kim foxx said:
You are correct, a communism with indian characteristics was what was needed but instead copied everyone else with hilariously predictable results.
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See this is what gets me about India. After the British left they had the perfect opportunity to build their ideal nation. They had reasonably built infrastructure, a slightly outdated but functional military, a solid industrial base, and had a template for a national healthcare system as the UK developed the NHS. The Indian National Congress had control of the central government for something like 50 years uninterrupted, which is honestly kind of unprecedented in democratic societies, but they squandered that control for much of that time and let India decline while trying to play both sides of the Cold War up until they were voted out in the 90s. The BJP, a Hindu nationalist party, that took power after the INC was voted out, is really the root cause of India being the rape infested shithole it is now because they undid pretty much all the societal advances that the INC wanted to push through. The BJP are the stereotypical religious zealots that do the, "absolutely everything must be according to the terms of my religion or we will murder you" kind of thing that you usually see from Islamic fundamentalists.

It also cannot be overstated how much the death of Indira Gandhi set back women in India. She was very much the Iron Lady of India to a point that there's a giant chunk of iron ore at her grave.
 
quaawaa said:
No they don't. It's impossible to buy your way out of filth in India, which is why most rich Indians flee to Dubai, London, or the US.

As a reminder, this is what India's equivalent of Billionaire's Row looks like:
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That is what the richest man in India sees whenever he leaves his house.
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It really puts things into perspective, doesn't it? As a Huezilian, I do not live in a place that's known for its human development and quality of life; while it's not all favelas (despite the left's romanticization and promotion of ghetto culture) and impenetrable jungle, it still has a long way to go before being a decent place to live. And yet, if I ran into something like this anywhere in the country, I'd immediately assume I'm entering some poor-to-lower-middle-class neighborhood or, at the very least, a very old and neglected district. My parents are solid middle class after a lifetime of hard work, and their home, old as it may be, looks miles better than anything in this picture.
 
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Selling on ebay again:

>Selling pokeball 3ds, goes anywhere from 300 - 600 CAD
>Bids already up to 200 +
>Get PM from some jeet sounding name
>Open it
>SAAAAR I GIVE 100 USD SAAAAR!
>Didn't even have the balls to use the offer option.
 
monatium's #1 wagie said:
i'm not sure why i assumed pajeet wealth inequality was any better than that. for a moment i was wondering how on earth india made it through the 20th century in such close proximity to major communist powers without falling to communism itself, considering the sheer size and plight of its shit-scrubbing underclasses. but then it occurred to me: in order for people to have class consciousness, they must first possess any consciousness, and that's not really a pajeet's strong suit
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India is The Oblongs in real life.
 
African farmers put beehives on ropes as a fence around their crops, so when a wild animal comes to eat the crops, it shakes the beehives and all the bees come out to chase it away. They don't have to be micromanaging the wildlife.

ETA: yeah here it is
 
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Indians suffering.
 
Althalus said:
Imagine a cultural revolution that abolished the caste system... ....abolished the arranged marriage nonsense
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The caste system was banned in 1950 but total enforcement of that ban on 1.4 billion people is impossible without going full Stasi. AFAIK arranged marriage is also banned but, again, it's impossible to police proactively.

Naturally, they've managed to export it:

California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste​

OAKLAND, Calif. (Reuters) - California regulators sued Cisco Systems Inc on Tuesday, accusing it of discriminating against an Indian-American employee and allowing him to be harassed by two managers because he was from a lower Indian caste than them.
U.S. employment law does not specifically bar caste-based discrimination, but California's Department of Fair Employment and Housing contends in the lawsuit that the Hindu faith's lingering caste system is based on protected classes such as religion.
The lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Jose, does not name the alleged victim. It states he has been a principal engineer at Cisco's San Jose headquarters since October 2015 and that he was born at the bottom of caste hierarchy as a Dalit, once called "untouchables."
Like other large Silicon Valley employers, Cisco's workforce includes thousands of Indian immigrants, most of whom were born Brahmins or other high castes.
Former Cisco engineering managers Sundar Iyer and Ramana Kompella also are defendants in the lawsuit, which accuses them of harassment for internally enforcing the caste hierarchy.
Cisco spokeswoman Robyn Blum said the network gear maker followed its process to investigate employee concerns in this case and would "vigorously defend itself" against the lawsuit.
"Cisco is committed to an inclusive workplace for all," she said. "We were fully in compliance with all laws as well as our own policies."
Iyer and Kompella did not immediately respond to requests for comment. It was not immediately known if the two have retained attorneys.
The civil rights group Equality Labs in a 2018 report cited in the lawsuit found that 67% of Dalits surveyed felt treated unfairly at their U.S. workplaces.
At Cisco, the unnamed employee reported Iyer to human resources in November 2016 for outing him as a Dalit to colleagues. Iyer allegedly retaliated, but Cisco determined caste discrimination was not illegal and issues continued through 2018, the lawsuit states.

Cisco reassigned and isolated the employee, rejected a raise and opportunities that would have led to one and denied two promotions, according to the lawsuit.
Hindus traditionally grouped people into four major castes based on ancestry, and Dalits in India still struggle with access to education and jobs 65 years after India banned caste-based discrimination.
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mofu mofo said:
Naturally, they've managed to export it:
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Saaar Dalit duties include sweeping chimney and cleaning toilets, along with C++ programming and rubbing the CEO's feet, we only accept senior full stack developers that just graduated with 25 years of experience sar, do the needful and send your resume today to redeem this new role.
 
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ADN_VIII said:
After the British left they had the perfect opportunity to build their ideal nation
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India was in one of the best situations for a country to have been in after World War 2. Fine, India did go through some famines such as the Bengal famine (a lot of it happened because of Japan invading Burma and there being an "oh shit" movement). Which, was primarily centred about Bengal.

However, it also had a large population with a strong government and strong bureaucracy with the Indian Civil Service. They'd have been able to get a lot done.

Now, what hurdle did India have when gaining independence? The partition of India, which was primarily a problem that was caused by the peoples of Pakistan and India, it was because Pakistan didn't want to be in a Hindu majority nation, But, this was not on the scope of civil war in say China.

Which all of this basically goes hand in hand with why India dislikes China so much. Look at China in World War 2? A shit ton of their country was under Japanese occupation, it suffered famine all over, on a scope far exceeding India. Wars in China always kill millions, and considering China ended up in a civil war before the end of the Second World War (well they had also been involved in a civil war of sorts before it, and had been in near constant conflict for a long time before then with the fall of the Qing, and all the wars leading into that). China was in ruin, yet they managed to build back and have significantly overtook India, who were under British rule where the British didn't really care all that much for India, and was pretty lax on the subcontinent because Britain didn't really want an Empire. (very expensive, meant having to build even more ships which by the 20th century it was becoming even more overstretched as more navies built up and Britain could no longer maintain their trade empire dominance).
 

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Indians drive like lunatics.

ADN_VIII said:
See this is what gets me about India. After the British left they had the perfect opportunity to build their ideal nation. They had reasonably built infrastructure, a slightly outdated but functional military, a solid industrial base, and had a template for a national healthcare system as the UK developed the NHS. The Indian National Congress had control of the central government for something like 50 years uninterrupted, which is honestly kind of unprecedented in democratic societies, but they squandered that control for much of that time and let India decline while trying to play both sides of the Cold War up until they were voted out in the 90s. The BJP, a Hindu nationalist party, that took power after the INC was voted out, is really the root cause of India being the rape infested shithole it is now because they undid pretty much all the societal advances that the INC wanted to push through. The BJP are the stereotypical religious zealots that do the, "absolutely everything must be according to the terms of my religion or we will murder you" kind of thing that you usually see from Islamic fundamentalists.

It also cannot be overstated how much the death of Indira Gandhi set back women in India. She was very much the Iron Lady of India to a point that there's a giant chunk of iron ore at her grave.
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India was the only major part of the British Empire that actually yielded them a real profit. Everything else existed for bases or for a specific resource. It was almost as though the empire existed to funnel resources from India to Britain. Rails were setup to extract resources and bureaucracy designed around taxing people instead of providing services. Taxation on salt was so profitable that the British planted a giant hedge along the entirety of India to prevent large-scale salt smuggling

They didn't inherit much industry. The British de-industrialized India and made them dependent on being part of the British system for basics such as textiles and basic goods. Gandhi's original flag proposed for India was a spinning wheel because he wanted it to represent Indians making things for themselves. India's agriculture was also a mess. They grew export crops, and western grains for export that were not suited for India's soil. They relied on imported rice from the rest of the British Empire. The Japanese occupying Burma and Malaya caused a famine in India because rice from these areas was what fed most of the region.

The strange thing about India is that their leaders have generally been competent, but the country is just so comically fucked that its just never enough. The Indian National Congress won votes because they were the party that won India its freedom, but they were also elitist top-down reformers that tried to crack down on casteism, sexism, and enforce a strange utopian socialism inspired by Robert Owen and the British Labour party. Even before the Green Revolution India stopped having famines because of their economic restructuring. People like Nehru and Indira Gandhi actually did try to drag their country kicking and screaming into modernity - they failed.
 
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