The injuns deserved it - I feel no guilt eating Turkey

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Injuns deserved it, prove me wrong.
"oh boo hoo pilgrims stole their land with contracts"
Injuns stole each other's land with tomahawks.
"oh boo hoo injuns were sent down a long shitty road and left their homes"
And? Americans did the same shit to themselves because they wanted to strike it rich in Oregon or whatever.
"B-buh, it totally wasn't fair, colonists had modern weapons"
War isn't fair.

 

[Boss Hawg]

I wouldn't say they deserved it, but I understand the sentiment. Most people don't deserve to be conquered. However, they lost. It happens. Ask they Gaelic people or any other conquered people if they deserve land or reparations after they lost. At least America was kind enough to allow those Indians to live on reservations so they can run casinos and drink.

 

[Bargain Bin Laden]

They didn’t run for their lives fast enough

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

You don't need Donald Trump to tell you that trading Manhattan Island for a few trinkets and baubles may not be the best real estate deal in history.

 

[Beautiful Border]

Amerindians are the only race I actually feel kinda-sorta sorry for. They never even had a chance, 90% of them died from disease before a shot was even fired.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

they did bring it upon themselves in a way by not just instantly murdering the pilgrims but at the same time they were fucked no matter what they did. if they were violent towards newcomers that would have only encouraged more people to come over and try and take the land just for the sake of the bragging rights of being the ones to take down the scary red people.

them being nice just resulted in the spread of disease and the eventual loss of all their land. i do feel bad for the natives in a way as they got fucked over pretty hard but at the same time they were gonna get fucked over one way or another.

i do often wonder to myself sometimes what things would have been like if north america remained in the hands of the natives. would they have ever advanced or just remained as various tribes living off of the land and respecting nature?

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

they did bring it upon themselves in a way by not just instantly murdering the pilgrims but at the same time they were fucked no matter what they did. if they were violent towards newcomers that would have only encouraged more people to come over and try and take the land just for the sake of the bragging rights of being the ones to take down the scary red people.

them being nice just resulted in the spread of disease and the eventual loss of all their land. i do feel bad for the natives in a way as they got fucked over pretty hard but at the same time they were gonna get fucked over one way or another.

i do often wonder to myself sometimes what things would have been like if north america remained in the hands of the natives. would they have ever advanced or just remained as various tribes living off of the land and respecting nature?

Generally I think tribals who hadn't advanced by the medieval era are just never going to. Africa is still full of tribals despite having millions dumped into it. The only reason they aren't all still in mudhuts is because imperialist types built cool new infrastructure that they shit up.

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

I don’t know, they were kind of done dirty. Nothing we could do about disease though. Thats what happens with ring species. A species gets spread out over some line, and while member through the line interbreed the ends never meet. The Indians got stuck on a genetic island and never had a chance to mix AT ALL with the rest of humanity until it was too late. It’s actually fortunate we did remeet because ring species have a tendency to speciate. Actually, I think humanity in general was getting close to speciating and modern travel is tying us back together. Anyway, that’s all just to say what happened to the Indians was nature and expected.

 

[Chilson]

Rule of Conquest, vast technological differences and disease. Plain and simple. If the Native Americans wanted their land back they SHOULD have fought for it. If they couldn't or refused to fight, then coexistence is the only alternative. I am against the forced assimilation of natives, but living with and subsequently adopting western cultural and social values overtime was the only real move they had left while maintaining some sense of dignity.

All I know is that this reservation shit just created mini-kingdoms within the US run by millionaire pedophiles and rapists who lord over everyone else in what they call a "tribe" who lives far below the poverty line.

That isn't what Thanksgiving is about though. If anything its a celebration of the Native American's goodwill towards the pilgrims who would have almost certainly starved and died come winter without their Native neighbors unexpected generosity. The fact that its seen as a conquers holiday celebration over the conquered is just low IQ useful idiots parroting whatever they are told to say in order to create more division between people.

 

[Capper Mizellus]

they did bring it upon themselves in a way by not just instantly murdering the pilgrims but at the same time they were fucked no matter what they did. if they were violent towards newcomers that would have only encouraged more people to come over and try and take the land just for the sake of the bragging rights of being the ones to take down the scary red people.

them being nice just resulted in the spread of disease and the eventual loss of all their land. i do feel bad for the natives in a way as they got fucked over pretty hard but at the same time they were gonna get fucked over one way or another.

i do often wonder to myself sometimes what things would have been like if north america remained in the hands of the natives. would they have ever advanced or just remained as various tribes living off of the land and respecting nature?

Archaeological evidence suggests that there were more advanced civilisations in the Americas that died out by overtaking their soils and consuming too many resources, for example in the Missisipi basin and parts of South America. There were probably wars and climate issues that helped topple them as well, plus the arrival of diseases when the earliest explorers arrived. I remember reading somewhere about a European explorer from way before colonialism who claimed he'd seen this massive city but when people looked for it a century later they could only find ruins, likely because he gave hem a cold as he passed through and they all either died or fled to the jungle.

The hunter-gatherer natives the first white settlers encountered were probably a fraction of the earlier population of the Americas even before we finished the job with guns and diseases.

 

[David Brown]

Okay but do we also apply the same logic to victims of violent crimes generally? War isn't fair after all. Don't bitch about getting shot at the Dark Knight Rises premiere. "Oh boo hoo we were defenseless and unarmed and taken by surprise" well, tough shit. Your fault for going into an obviously risky situation like that.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Okay but do we also apply the same logic to victims of violent crimes generally? War isn't fair after all. Don't bitch about getting shot at the Dark Knight Rises premiere. "Oh boo hoo we were defenseless and unarmed and taken by surprise" well, tough shit. Your fault for going into an obviously risky situation like that.

Yes? I mean it's like that fuckin soyboy that got stabbed by a nigger. It was his own damn fault. Hell, he probably voted for every law that made that encounter possible and every law that'll set the nigger free.

 

[Magicicada_septendecula]

I wouldn't say they "deserved it" so much as it was just a natural thing that just happens and something that at some point, they all did too. Two different civilizations exist in proximity to each other and eventually the more powerful one will overcome the less powerful one. The Europeans were far more humane about this than any civilizations before them and what they were replacing were a bunch of bronze age (at best) savages who never had the wheel and still practiced human sacrifice.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Indians are just one another group that fucked around in their comfort zone while euros innovated. They had a massive amount of land and resources and wasted it for several milenia. If anything they deserve even more hatred for not even having the justification of being sabotaged. And they survived despite every other culture before them being wiped out from history.

 

[David Brown]

Yes? I mean it's like that fuckin soyboy that got stabbed by a nigger. It was his own damn fault. Hell, he probably voted for every law that made that encounter possible and every law that'll set the nigger free.

By that logic, yes, all victims of violence deserved it. That settles that. It would seem we have lifted ourselves to a vantage point above considerations of morality, fairness, or orderliness. We have now entered a higher court, the court of war, history and fate, which will hear no special pleading. We have recognized arguments about right and wrong for the trivialities which they in fact are. The highest authority is now recognized as naked violence, and given that naked violence has been the final arbiter in all historical disputes, it would seem there has never been in instance in which the outcome was "wrong". If it was settled by violence the outcome is by definition proper and correct.

Where shall we go from here?

 

[Blasterman]

Can't say they "deserved it" since disease did them in, but I do think the whole mentality post arrival that "native bad" was overly exaggerated. Specifically during the 19th century. By this I mean that they didn't deserve some of the shit like harrassment for speaking non-English languages or the forced extirpation of their culture (and subsequent replacement by "culture" of ultra-capitalism). Shit happened, time to move along and be bros instead. They're not like niggers in that they are a bunch of lazy thieving faggots who don't want to improve their lives, Natives sometimes have genuinely wise views of the wider world.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Where shall we go from here?

I'm down for Buffalo Wild Wings.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

It's centuries old history at this point so it's hard to assign it a moral value. The powerful defeat the weak, and if English people hadn't done it, then some other group of whites would have, or maybe another Indian tribe. It's one of the best historical case studies for why "great replacements" are extremely bad for the host nation being replaced. For Indians, it was the destruction of their culture way of life and death of most of their people. Today, the average Westerner is having their culture replaced by the bastardized form of American culture (gender ideology, rap music, consoomerism etc.) and the elite want to spread this around the world. We should be thankful that unlike the Indian in 1620, we know what the stakes are and we know those doing the replacing cannot be reasoned with under any circumstance.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

That isn't what Thanksgiving is about though. If anything its a celebration of the Native American's goodwill towards the pilgrims who would have almost certainly starved and died come winter without their Native neighbors unexpected generosity...

I love this modern pro-nativist viewpoint spoonfed to children in public schools.

I only recently had been told Squanto was keen to befriend the English once learning they had the magical knowledge of brewery/distillation.

Edit to add: "native american goodwill"? Is that a thing? Cause I know Indian Giving is a thing.

 

[David Brown]

I love this modern pro-nativist viewpoint spoonfed to children in public schools.

I only recently had been told Squanto was keen to befriend the English once learning they had the magical knowledge of brewery/distillation.

Edit to add: "native american goodwill"? Is that a thing? Cause I know Indian Giving is a thing.

There are dozens of different Injun tribes that all had different temperaments. Some were very friendly to the whites, some were more immediately hostile. It's pretty well established historical fact that the injuns were unironically pretty diverse in that sense. Just like the different European tribes had different temperaments.