The injuns deserved it - I feel no guilt eating Turkey

Disease was the single most important factor in colonization of America. Look at Africa, Asia, and other areas of geography with robust natives who had immune system which were similar to ours.

They didn't get colonized to fuck.

I mean we can argue we should've colonized Africa to fuck and eradicated all the niggers but that's besides the point.
 
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Tetragrammaton said:
they did bring it upon themselves in a way by not just instantly murdering the pilgrims but at the same time they were fucked no matter what they did. if they were violent towards newcomers that would have only encouraged more people to come over and try and take the land just for the sake of the bragging rights of being the ones to take down the scary red people.

them being nice just resulted in the spread of disease and the eventual loss of all their land. i do feel bad for the natives in a way as they got fucked over pretty hard but at the same time they were gonna get fucked over one way or another.

i do often wonder to myself sometimes what things would have been like if north america remained in the hands of the natives. would they have ever advanced or just remained as various tribes living off of the land and respecting nature?
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But they weren't nice. Some tribes played nice, sure, but not all.

Hell, look at how they genocided the norse colonies up in proto-Canada. The noble savage myth deserves to die.

As for how it would have turned out if they remained in power? I'll give you a hint: they almost wiped the buffalo to extinction because their hunting practices were retarded.
 
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I don't get why these bleeding hearts care about something that happened 400 years ago and their ancestors had nothing to do with.
 
Freshly Baked Socks said:
I love this modern pro-nativist viewpoint spoonfed to children in public schools.

I only recently had been told Squanto was keen to befriend the English once learning they had the magical knowledge of brewery/distillation.

Edit to add: "native american goodwill"? Is that a thing? Cause I know Indian Giving is a thing.
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Squanto was out to get an advantage for himself and his followers. If you remember Samoset from the story, he was doing the same.
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Hell, look at how they genocided the norse colonies up in proto-Canada. The noble savage myth deserves to die.
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The Norse in Newfoundland got into like one-two fights with them and decided "nah, this place sucks" and went back to Greenland where there was practically no violence...where ironically they later would get genocided once the Inuit came in and took over the place since Greenland was so peaceful there were no dedicated warriors like there was in Iceland and every other Norse land. But they don't tell you about that part since the Danish government for decades told archaeologists and historians that they couldn't assert that lest it cause "communal tensions" and now you have to say it was "climate change" that killed them.
Ser Prize said:
As for how it would have turned out if they remained in power? I'll give you a hint: they almost wiped the buffalo to extinction because their hunting practices were retarded.
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They didn't have the capability to do that on their own. There's several Plains Indian winter counts (primitive calendar with pictoglyphs they used to help remember their own history) and it shows that there was way more famine by the mid-19th century than the early 19th century, and that's because whites passing through the Plains shot bison too. But they definitely helped crash bison numbers and by sheer numbers it's mostly their fault the bison almost went extinct and not some evil American genocidal plan.

Actually, it can't even be called that, since most of the bison hunting (the picture of the hunters with the mountain of bison skulls) was done because the market demanded it, and even the "let's shoot a bunch of bison to starve the Indians" project was just to force them onto the rez where they would stop abducting women and shooting pioneers instead of some evil scheme of genocide (since they were given reasonable amounts of food and were offered farming tools and seeds).
 
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they didnt deserve it exaclty, they just sucked so bad they were bound to get wrecked

what is so bizarre is how mad/upset that the lefties get at what happened to the indians....i mean, isnt that evolution? survival of the fittest and all that? dont they like that shit?
 
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Much of the dirtiness of America's Indian relations has to do with how we went about dispossessing them of their land. Sign a treaty with them, then violate the treaty before the ink is dry. Have settlers illegally move onto their treaty lands and then back them, not the Indians, up when fighting breaks out (sound familiar? Israeli settlers?). Sign a treaty with people that have no legal right to treat with you, then use that bullshit treaty as your excuse to go in. That is not honest, naked conquest; it's deceptive and shameful. It applies more to the 1800s expansion than the early colonial period, though.

Sometimes, especially for certain tribes, the Indians were bad for dealing in bad faith too.

The Indian Removal Act was the worst of it, because those tribes had already been pacified, Westernized, Christianized and were essentially US subjects (not citizens, but subjects) that were expelled from their lands. No different than if the US government had decided to expel the population of, say, New Jersey. It ought to loom large in people's minds less as a story about race or conquest and more about the threat of the government arbitrarily denying people's rights.
 
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A Rastafarian Skeleton said:
They are worse than niggers or jews. The most bitter people in existence currently. Bunch of sore losers.
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Calling them worse than kikes (especially the Khazar kikes) or some of the niggers is a disservice. It's really the land claims that make problems most of the time and to an extent the concept of a "reservation" which is a pretty ugly name for human land.
Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
Much of the dirtiness of America's Indian relations has to do with how we went about dispossessing them of their land. Sign a treaty with them, then violate the treaty before the ink is dry. Have settlers illegally move onto their treaty lands and then back them, not the Indians, up when fighting breaks out (sound familiar? Israeli settlers?). Sign a treaty with people that have no legal right to treat with you, then use that bullshit treaty as your excuse to go in. That is not honest, naked conquest; it's deceptive and shameful. It applies more to the 1800s expansion than the early colonial period, though.

Sometimes, especially for certain tribes, the Indians were bad for dealing in bad faith too.

The Indian Removal Act was the worst of it, because those tribes had already been pacified, Westernized, Christianized and were essentially US subjects (not citizens, but subjects) that were expelled from their lands. No different than if the US government had decided to expel the population of, say, New Jersey. It ought to loom large in people's minds less as a story about race or conquest and more about the threat of the government arbitrarily denying people's rights.
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This right here. If these treaties were actually respected (and the Eternal Anglo wasn't the Eternal Anglo as American politicians always are) I think the whole situation would've been much more healthy today. But no, greedy faggots being greedy means nobody benefitted from this, not the natives and most certainly not the colonists who're now having problems with the natives.
 
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fuck you we were right all along with returning to monke. you dug your dystopian smartphone hole now wallow in it
 
Blasterman said:
Calling them worse than kikes (especially the Khazar kikes) or some of the niggers is a disservice. It's really the land claims that make problems most of the time and to an extent the concept of a "reservation" which is a pretty ugly name for human land.
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The red man started out as cruel savage cannibals and rapists, more violent than a neanderthal. Nowadays they are drunk layabouts that will forever complain about getting btfo in the past. The injun has contributed nothing to society.
 
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A Rastafarian Skeleton said:
The red man started out as cruel savage cannibals and rapists, more violent than a neanderthal. Nowadays they are drunk layabouts that will forever complain about getting btfo in the past. The injun has contributed nothing to society.
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Certainly more than the kikes whose only priority their whole existence has been to exterminate everyone. The less people die the better, and that's why I pick Injuns.
 
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