The Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine starts adding warning labels to its archives - WTF is that?!

[mindlessobserver]

This made me think of Brandon Sandersons mistborne. How the power Ruin altered the very words written in prophecy to mislead the heroes into bringing about the end of everything. Anything written in a book, on paper, vellum, even scraped into the dirt could be rewritten at the will of the big bad. Nothing written could be trusted unless it was carved directly into inviolate metal.

I write these words in steel, for anything not set in metal cannot be trusted.

I have begun to wonder if I am the only sane man remaining. Can the others not see? They have been waiting so long for their hero to come— the one spoken of in Terris prophecies— that they quickly jump between conclusions, presuming that each story and legend applies to this one man.

My brethren ignore the other facts. They cannot connect the other strange things that are happening. They are deaf to my objections and blind to my discoveries.

Perhaps they are right. Perhaps I am mad, or jealous, or simply daft. My name is Kwaan. Philosopher, scholar, traitor. I am the one who discovered Alendi, and I am the one who first proclaimed him to be the Hero of Ages. I am the one who started this all.

 

[Grotesque Bushes]

It's probably because of this absolutely stupid journo piece, these people push the envelope to push censorship under the guise of "misinformation" and "safety". It's really sickening how journos can come up with this bullshit that will clearly lead to further damage being done to archives.

Reminder: this is the cow shitting all over the archive
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Fat fucks are most oppressed because they only get 70% of the face a normal weight person has.

 

[Articuno4]

That blows. I didn't expect the Archive to be one of the places cucking out. At least archive.is is still up and not hiding archives for political reasons, but Wayback Machine has a massive archive going back years. This is a damn shame.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Nobody is going to the fucking Wayback Machine to look at news articles on Covid-19 unless it's to prove a point of how shitty yellow media really is. If anything, they'll just use the OG link to the real site itself. The fact that they're just preserving the internet as it is without discriminating what to keep and reject should not be a problem.

This is why I never used Archive.org for making archive links. Here's another good reason. If a celebrity, politician, or person of interest wants something gone they will make it go away. This is why you should also datahoard. Archive.org might call itself an archive, but the minute DMCAs or hit pieces roll in the content either goes away or gets "fact checker" approved warnings. I always make sure to download anything I give a shit about from Archive.org anyhow.

The NZ video and August 2017 were great examples of which services cave in and which don't. Expect the dark web/Tor, torrents, and decentralized services to get used a lot more. One year it's political dissidents being censored, the next year it's people trying to find information about a virus killing everyone and it's actual impact. If things really get bad, flash drives and blank discs are available cheaply these days.

So how do you save a web article anyway? Firefox lets you screencap an entire page but it's crap and hidden away. Trying to save a page as a PDF blows chunks for its own reasons too and also doesn't even capture the whole page half the time.

 

[plattschwanz]

It's probably because of this absolutely stupid journo piece, these people push the envelope to push censorship under the guise of "misinformation" and "safety". It's really sickening how journos can come up with this bullshit that will clearly lead to further damage being done to archives.

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It's a bit more scary than that. She is not a journo, the human pufferfish who wrote that article also published several papers about the social aspects of data. (She also wrote some articles for BuzzFeed, lol.) The other users who opined that this is about information control were dead-on. One of the papers she co-wrote for, "Preserving for a More Just Future: Tactics of Activist Data Archiving" (published in 2018 and co-written with Morgan Currie and Brittany Paris) [fully available on google books except one page], states that

A) Data archiving is some sort of political activism: "Their activity, variously called data activism, civic data, or statactivism, calls attention to the political dimensions of data: the important questions of who or what gets represented how." […] First, these scholars point out that data itself has a rhetorical force [...]

B) groups that are not associated with the government or universities can do it too, in fact everyone can do it: "Because numerical data is perceived as both objective and authoritative, these statistical accounts give civic groups a way to speak persuasively to governments and broader publics."

In her worldview the Wayback Machine has some sort of political influence by its sheer existence.

Shit like this is really making me think I should have some kind of plugin in my browser that saves a copy of every single website I visit.

Due to my oldest hard drive dying off, I recently lost all my HTML files with their accompanying data folder of selected websites from the early 00s I liked to visit. In comparison, the earliest preserved pieces of literature go back to the Early Bronze Age, digital data is more unreliable than a simple clay tablet.

 

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Nobody is going to the fucking Wayback Machine to look at news articles on Covid-19 unless it's to prove a point of how shitty yellow media really is. If anything, they'll just use the OG link to the real site itself.

You're missing part of the story here.

Subhuman retards are pointing at Archive.org archives of unreviewed preprints on biorxiv.org etc as 'proof' that 'DA TROOF' is being suppressed.

Think of things like that shitty toilet paper 'article' pajeets wrote 'proving' that COVID-19 was basically just HIV. Because delusional conservative retards will believe anything that confirms their stupid beliefs, you can point them at an archive of that 'article' and tell them that the establishment is just trying to hide the truth.. when the truth is that the subhuman pajeet filth who wrote it retracted that article themselves when actual functioning human beings made fun of them for not understanding the basics of genomics.

Is putting a warning up on nonsense like that the right solution? Personally I'd prefer to not have the notice, but anyone who references such trash gets thrown into a prison cell, but there's a discussion to be had.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Is putting a warning up on nonsense like that the right solution? Personally I'd prefer to not have the notice, but anyone who references such trash gets thrown into a prison cell, but there's a discussion to be had.

I wonder if they'll put a warning up on the archives of former porn sites? I have some doubts.

 

[2138_1255]

This is why you should also datahoard.

There you are: Personal storage solutions have never been cheaper or easier to set up. The time to be using them is now: The "Internet Never Forgets" has been replaced by the Ministry of Truth's 'Memory Hole'.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

I wonder if they'll put a warning up on the archives of former porn sites? I have some doubts.

Zelda.com used to be a porn site. Could see that one getting a disclaimer just because of Nintendo.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Can Current Year please end already?

 

[Sizzlin]

I get why it's kind of a bad idea to cave in even a little and put those warning labels on, but I do prefer it to outright censoring the archives. Because let's be honest, the latter is what the left is pushing to be.

 

[a_lurker]

I know there are people who think they mean well in doing shit like this, but trying to manipulate people to make better decisions, or do the right thing is still just as shitty as a dictator telling them to do it. Being sneaky fucks and social engineering shit is the same thing, with slightly different optics... and there are a lot more idealistic, head up their own ass useful idiots willing to sign up to do it.

All this goddamned sneaky fuck shit trying to manipulate and control the flow of information is why people don't trust the news, don't trust any big consensus from government agencies, NGO's and companies. Shit like this is exactly why there are people who believe drinking bleach will cure the wu-flu.

let people be wrong. Let people think and do for themselves. if enough people see and hear dumbasses dying from chugging bleach, eventually the problem will solve itself when people wise up.

I think it goes back to the whole lawsuit avoidance thing, but applied on a massive scale. Person does something stupid, lawyers up and sues for millions of dollars and wins.
So, thanks to lawyers and greedy idiot grifters, the war on stupid people has begun. (worked out fucking great for drugs didn't it?)

its all so goddamned tiresome.