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Honestly it's so backwards, that making Abby Trans would actually hurt the trans community, with how utterly violent and repulsive they make Abby look and act, all the while trying to make it look like Abby is the hero of the story, somehow.
I find the game's depiction of trans people to be very realistic.

 
I hate to say it, but I think a lot of you are being naive about transness in media.

Except on the one hand the woke crowd would scream bloody murder if the trans-ness of a character could be ignored. They'd probably call it ciswashing or something, and say that it's a cheap, cowardly cope-out. Also, since a fair share of people will instantly assume Abby is trans' based on her body - and that's more than fair, if we're being real - I don't see why they wouldn't come out and say she's trans' if they're going to get backlash for her being trans' anyway. At least claim your brownie points.

On the other, we've seen with the new Shera and overall trends in video-game and movies that "classical" feminity is getting downplayed hard. And sure, this is pretty damn extreme, but then again, people still manage to argue muscular women can actually look just like that, so we know for a fact some people are stupid enough to think this can pass for a cis' woman.

So to me it doesn't really make sense at this point to say she's trans' unless some smoking gun comes out - and I am hypothetically talking about a penis. In fact I think a hint might be found in the game models. I remember some story about a nude model with a real life actress' head on it being datamined from some similar "cinematic" game (And obviously that wasn't exactly a good thing), and if they did model some form of genitals in the sex scene models, and they're definitely degenerate enough for it, that could be a hint.

I wish I could say you were right about "ciswashing," but I know you aren't. Here are the reasons why:
  1. Clocking a trans person is a big no-no. This is a holdover from when the popular stance was "When a trans person gets reminded of their birth gender, they fall into suicidal dysphoria!" which evolved into "deadnaming a transperson is telling them to kill themselves." I'd even argue that this is where "being rude online is literal violence" came from. If ND really wanted to do this, his options are limited.
    • ND would have had to write a bigoted character who hates transwomen. In the prologue, ND makes it very clear that he doesn't think this type of character is worth writing about. (Ellie dismisses a sweet old man as a bigot even though he made her and her girlfriend "bigot sandwiches." This man is never seen again.)
    • ND would have had to somehow weasel Abby's HRT regimen into the narrative. Not only would this have derailed a game that already has a tenuous sense of pacing, it would have taken time that Naughty Dog's crunch schedule wouldn't allow. If there's any hope for a smoking gun, I'd expect it to turn up in the environment design. Any estrogen bottles lying around? Soylent?
  2. Abby's model is flat out hideous. This is more important than people give it credit for. She isn't real. There is no reason for her to be ugly except that it evokes a certain feeling upon looking at her. In ND's self-aggrandizing little mind, I'm sure he wants you, as a player with eyes, to confront that feeling. He turned her into a bigotry litmus test. If you dare point out that she looks trans, you are bigoted. If you ignore the obvious, you are a Good Person. It's queer baiting, but nobody wins by talking about it. If they had any intention of confirming that she is trans, they wouldn't have had to make it so obvious. She never had to be ugly.
Just take a look at the Instagram bodybuilder Abby is supposedly modeled after:
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Yes, she's muscular, and her attractiveness will obviously come down to taste, but she is by no means as hideous or unfeminine as Abby.

I want to believe that a smoking gun is hiding in some uncompleted datamine, but I won't hold my breath.

The only other way to determine ND's authorial intent is to look at whether or not the idea of transness is baked into any other parts of the game. I'm not going through the game with a fine-toothed comb, but I did find some evidence of exactly that:

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When Ellie infiltrates the Wolf den, she has to duck inside this bookstore. Not only is there a rainbow road leading to the door, there's an LGBT pride flag and a Trans flag (circled red) hung outside. It sure looks like someone hung them up recently. I think the center flag is an American flag, but it's in significantly worse repair than the the other two.

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Another Trans flag hangs on a bookshelf inside. It's definitely the same as the one outside.

Conclusively, this game uses the visual iconography of transness.

I hear you already: "It's set in Seattle, of course they have the flags!" I think the fact that the flags are looking brighter and in better shape than the American flag is extremely evocative, but sure. I see the point.

But when the idea of sex characteristic dysphoria pops up in notes, it's harder for me to dismiss.

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Sure, maybe we've all doodled a page that looks like this, but I'd like you to take in the imagery of a dick blasting off together with the imagery of dicks stretching, ballooning, becoming breasts, as well as the the words "Still no Scars four more hours on this shift fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk" The Scars in question are later revealed to be a rival group, but I posit that ND had a very different interpretation in mind when he decided that THIS should be the first mention of the Scars.

Lastly, the group Abby belongs to is a bunch of furry antifa awoos who took over a portion of Seattle from a government-sanctioned enforcement group. They literally call themselves "wolves." I think everyone who's visited the CHAZ/CHOP thread knows what the gender identity demographics of that group look like.

In short, ND has played us all and he'll be laughing all the way to the awards.
 
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This might be the best day of my life. I'm so thankful to be alive so I can watch this happen in real time. This is delightful, this is Christmas come early. Thank you God, thank you God for letting me be alive in this moment of time to witness this.

This is the natural culmination of this retarded grimdark genre, the tranny shit is just set dressing. It was always going to end up as miserable shit piles where nothing good happens, rocks fall everybody dies SCAR while characters try out grimdark each other. When you reward storytellers for telling miserable pretentious stories full of mass death and betrayal, you will get more miserable and pretentious stories full of mass death and betrayal. Except for sequels there is no where else to go because they're already rock bottom so they have to resort to lunacy to stand out from their predecessor.

This is amazing. I'm not even halfway through my work day and the hits just keep coming. This is such a wonderful time to be alive, I can drive by this fucking lunacy and see the pain of fans. Holy fuck yes keep it coming.
Everything is better with Toto.
 
It's ironic because they are all bitter femcels
Not everyone who dislikes this game are men or straight. That hilarious "I've sucked more dicks than you Neil" comment, for example
They only care that the straight men portion dislike it so they can act all smug and revel in it
It's exactly like male incels when they revel and act all smug when female models are upset over something
Plenty of females who grew up with the Laras, Sonyas, Tifas, Samus, of games don’t appreciate this pathetic pandering ...femcels are hypocrites who don’t want to conform to societal standards, but expect others who fit the norm to accept them. How come the man banging Abby isn’t some 300 lb looking neckbeard?
 
Met someone about 8 years ago who was way too casual about buying a CE of Arkham City and then selling it once they beat the game. The way he treated such a purchase makes me think this was a habit.

I kind of hope this game becomes a cult classic like The Room. It even has an awkward sex scene.

"I did naaaht golf him. It's naaht true. I did naaht golf him, it's bowlschit, I did naaaaaaaht. Oh hai Owen."

"Oh hai dawggy. That's a nice - dead dawggy?!"
 
I love that these types are the ones that are desexualising games but at the same time push for sexualising games in a "mature" manner. Basically they are closet degenerates trying to push their fetishes while being "morally superior".
Speaking of sex scenes, what was the point of that one? I mean it's 30 seconds long which is: too short to say anything truely meaningful about the relationship between the two but; it is too long, thus, creates a disconnect with the player as we see an unredeemable character happy and the game treats it like a good thing.

If a sex scene is necessary in your "deep" game at least have it tell us more than A loves B or make it be directed in an appealing way.
its pretty simple
anime bikini girls are nice, cute, fun, and sexy, they're enjoyable to straight dudes. that's why they hate it and want to get rid of it, because they hate straight dudes.
but on the other hand, shit like this sex scene isn't nice, it's not cute, it's not fun, and it definitely isn't sexy, hot, or erotic, and it's not enjoyable to straight dudes. that's why they derive pleasure from tricking straight dudes into watching it by burying a surprise troon buttfuck cutscene in a game where people absolutely wouldn't expect it.
 
What the hell is this? How am I seeing this trash on this site?
Do you want me to dismatle every other reason you play games compared to MuH ViDyA WahMeN HAv ToB ReuLLustuk. You dont play games for realism AT ALL. Normie and mainstream cucks say that in their echo chambers to feel good about themselves.
That Aloy character is pretty unsightly as well to the point the first thing that the news of a PC release people mention are a face fix and some nice sexy mods.
This crap started with BioWare and INquisition with how much fagg pandering they did in that game.
The slippery slope was all leading up to monsters like Abby and now wait till other devs start pushing for this 'new progressotroon stanards'
So. Lets see how much this comment has aged.
 
I'll ask again, why does every Western media company think these assclowns are the golden demograph?

They make up less than 2% of the population,are NEVER satisfied and if you even slightly cross them will try to get you fired.

As someone who's worked in the industry. You literally have people in social roles who's job is to troll twitter/reddit/facebook etc, and these people are LOUD and the type of people who work in community management are your Alison Rapp's of the world aka True Believers.
 
I hate to say it, but I think a lot of you are being naive about transness in media.



I wish I could say you were right about "ciswashing," but I know you aren't. Here are the reasons why:
  1. Clocking a trans person is a big no-no. This is a holdover from when the popular stance was "When a trans person gets reminded of their birth gender, they fall into suicidal dysphoria!" which evolved into "deadnaming a transperson is telling them to kill themselves." I'd even argue that this is where "being rude online is literal violence" came from. If ND really wanted to do this, his options are limited.
    • ND would have had to write a bigoted character who hates transwomen. In the prologue, ND makes it very clear that he doesn't think this type of character is worth writing about. (Ellie dismisses a sweet old man as a bigot even though he made her and her girlfriend "bigot sandwiches." This man is never seen again.)
    • ND would have had to somehow weasel Abby's HRT regimen into the narrative. Not only would this have derailed a game that already has a tenuous sense of pacing, it would have taken time that Naughty Dog's crunch schedule wouldn't allow. If there's any hope for a smoking gun, I'd expect it to turn up in the environment design. Any estrogen bottles lying around? Soylent?
  2. Abby's model is flat out hideous. This is more important than people give it credit for. She isn't real. There is no reason for her to be ugly except that it evokes a certain feeling upon looking at her. In ND's self-aggrandizing little mind, I'm sure he wants you, as a player with eyes, to confront that feeling. He turned her into a bigotry litmus test. If you dare point out that she looks trans, you are bigoted. If you ignore the obvious, you are a Good Person. It's queer baiting, but nobody wins by talking about it. If they had any intention of confirming that she is trans, they wouldn't have had to make it so obvious. She never had to be ugly.
Just take a look at the Instagram bodybuilder Abby is supposedly modeled after:

Yes, she's muscular, and her attractiveness will obviously come down to taste, but she is by no means as hideous or unfeminine as Abby.

I want to believe that a smoking gun is hiding in some uncompleted datamine, but I won't hold my breath.

The only other way to determine ND's authorial intent is to look at whether or not the idea of transness is baked into any other parts of the game. I'm not going through the game with a fine-toothed come, but I did some evidence of exactly that:

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When Ellie infiltrates the Wolf den, she has to duck inside this bookstore. Not only is there a rainbow road leading to the door, there's an LGBT pride flag and a Trans flag (circled red) hung outside. It sure looks like someone hung them up recently. I think the center flag is an American flag, but it's in significantly worse repair than the the other two.

Another Trans flag hangs on a bookshelf inside. It's definitely the same as the one outside.

Conclusively, this game uses the visual iconography of transness.

I hear you already: "It's set in Seattle, of course they have the flags!" I think the fact that the flags are looking brighter and in better shape than the American flag is extremely evocative, but sure. I see the point.

But when the idea of sex characteristic dysphoria pops up in notes, it's harder for me to dismiss.


Sure, maybe we've all doodled a page that looks like this, but I'd like you to take in the imagery of a dick blasting off together with the imagery of dicks stretching, ballooning, becoming breasts, as well as the the words "Still no Scars four more hours on this shift fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk" The Scars in question are later revealed to be a rival group, but I posit that ND had a very different interpretation in mind when he decided that THIS should be the first mention of the Scars.

Lastly, the group Abby belongs to is a bunch of furry antifa awoos who took over a portion of Seattle from a government-sanctioned enforcement group. They literally call themselves "wolves." I think everyone who's visited the CHAZ/CHOP thread knows what the gender identity demographics of that group look like.

In short, ND has played us all and he'll be laughing all the way to the awards.

Friendly advice to @Secret Asshole, check your blood pressure before reading the above post, because wow....just when you think Druckmann couldn't have pushed things this far. The whole freaking thing is a con job. It's a freaking social experiment to see how far these people can fan the flames.
 
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