TLOU was a complete story and would have worked better as an anthology. Especially if Druckman wanted to stick with the themes he wanted for the second game. He had to shoe-horn them in somehow, that just doesn't work with an interactive medium where you're forced to do things to progress.
To give the TLDW, he doesn't mind that stuff, arguing things like Joel dying is okay, and that a story hanging on a coincidence is okay. He does ultimately shit all over it though, especially the ending.
If humanity magically went to shit with the power of bad writing it can magically clean itself up.
Almost like Cuckmann didn't write that part (or at least had a tard wrangler back then)
I have seen a lot of people unironically say that the Fireflies were good tho and that they would "save millions of lives" but that ignores the point of TLOU that is "was the old world worth it if this is what people actually were like the whole time?"
It wasn't long ago that journos and blue check marks were writing thinkpieces about The Martian and why NASA wasted money saving Matt Damon, when it would be better spent on feeding the poor or whatever and leaving his ass behind. The point never matters, and at worst they believe it deserves to be shamed and corrected in order to morally grandstand.
Modern education fucked an entire generation on morality, they just can't understand that being anti authoritarian doesn't automatically make you good and justified in your actions. Any moral issue in media usually just reverses good and bad (when it's not obvious from the get go).
TLOU´s point atleast from Bruce & Amy´s version has you save Ellie because the only people left alive are cannibals, thugs, the military and Moloch´s fireflies.
Ellie would rather kill herself than be the town's bicycle like Dinah.
I keep stressing that if they want a cure, they need to go to the military. Marlene's crew was attacked by them on the way to the hospital, which means there are bases and pockets of them still whittling away. It was stated from the beginning the Fireflies wanted to restore the government, and if COVID taught us anything, those politicians and pharmaceutical fucks would be hoarding the patents for the cure. That was suggested at Joel's skepticism; not only did they not have the expertise of equipment, if they DID get it, they'd immediately hoard it and bribe people into their will.
What's hilarious to think about in retrospect is that the Wuhan Virus played out almost exactly like this as well. I don't even think that analogy was even intended by the writers--I think progressive actually believe viruses and plagues make decisions based on political expediency. The spores and zombies in TLUO killed off whomever they needed to before being placed into a more "manageable" state where folks like the Fireflies could use them as an excuse to "save the world" as they themselves cause more harm to the world.
A progressive fantasy with all the amenities to! Washers and dryers for everyone! And my favorite part is its all in contrast to the "evil facists" Fedra who keeps everyone living in squalor and hunger (who are totally not keeping some semblance of human civilization/manufacturing going) without any washers and dryers! It feels like a fucking high school student who just learned about communism wrote this shit.Likewise, TLUO plays out like it's a Leftist fantasy where the world undergoes this "lite" apocalypse that kills a huge portion of the population and, in its wake, leaves all the progressive behind to remake the everything in their image. It's a progressive fantasy come true! All the fags, troons, and clown-world balloons survive and thrive! No, not only that--they become the de-facto leaders of their very own Democractic/Communist villages!!
