The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

Optimus Prime said:
FYI, it was confirmed that there originally was a choice at the end to either kill or spare Abby, but too many playtesters went with the 'kill' option (y'know, since that was your entire fucking objective to kill that bitch) so it was removed in the final build.
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My guess is that Druckmann was confident that few would pick that option only for reality to fail to meet his expectations and bruise his ego in a way that never fully recovered. I think he still gets the urge to consume alcohol just by being reminded of that data. And when he saw the reception and sales of the second game. And when he saw the reception and ratings of the second season. I would be very surprised if his drink budget has not increased.
 
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Hentai-Semitism said:
In my opinion the main idea is that both Ellie and Abby have the same motivation and neither is in the right.
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Which is a retarded take Druckmann keeps insisting on, despite the whole of the first game deconstructing the myth of the "resistance" and depicting the Fireflies as a bunch of morons with no actual clue what they're doing.

Even the good doctor (which I doused with the flamethrower) had no actual idea if cracking Ellie's skull like an egg would lead to anything. Let's not forget that Ellie wasn't the first immune person the Fireflies had found and killed.

So not only are they not getting anywhere with finding a cure, they're actively culling the very people that do have an immunity and could pass it on to their descendants. If they were actually committed to solving the issue, instead of LARPing as post-apoc Antifa, they'd set up eugenics programs to breed as many immune babies as they can get away with.

And as others have said, what chance do the Fireflies have to find a cure compared to FEDRA and all the resources at their disposal?

Also, Abby is a detestable character, and nothing in TLOU2 makes the audience warm up to her. The retcon attempting to justify her murder of Joel feels tacked on and hollow.

If Druckmann had really wanted to pull the Jewish "both sides bad" shtick he should have devoted the whole second game to Abby, only revealing who her father is either at the end of the game, or in TLOU3, and having that game focus on the dual protagonists and their simultaneous quests for revenge.

Not that I think it would have worked out, but I'm also of the opinion that TLOU1 had no need for a sequel and there was frankly nothing a sequel could have added to the story of the original.
 
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regalterry said:
Which is a retarded take Druckmann keeps insisting on, despite the whole of the first game deconstructing the myth of the "resistance" and depicting the Fireflies as a bunch of morons with no actual clue what they're doing.

Even the good doctor (which I doused with the flamethrower) had no actual idea if cracking Ellie's skull like an egg would lead to anything. Let's not forget that Ellie wasn't the first immune person the Fireflies had found and killed.

So not only are they not getting anywhere with finding a cure, they're actively culling the very people that do have an immunity and could pass it on to their descendants. If they were actually committed to solving the issue, instead of LARPing as post-apoc Antifa, they'd set up eugenics programs to breed as many immune babies as they can get away with.

And as others have said, what chance do the Fireflies have to find a cure compared to FEDRA and all the resources at their disposal?

Abby is a detestable character, and nothing in TLOU2 makes the audience warm up to her. The retcon attempting to justify her murder of Joel feels tacked on and hollow.

If Druckmann had really wanted to pull the Jewish "both sides bad" shtick he should have devoted the whole second game to Abby, only revealing who her father is either at the end of the game, or in TLOU3.
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What I meant was that the plot of TLOU2 boils down to hate-fuelled revenge. You killed my dad, so I'll kill yours. Some friends die as an almost inevitable result and some turn on you because they don't think it's worth it.

I'm not even addressing the complicated vaccine situation anymore. Speaking of which, there's a short flashback scene at the very end where Ellie tells Ethan he should've let her sacrifice herself. I think he should've just said "you were 14, you idiot. I'm your guardian and I wouldn't let you drink a shot of vodka, let a lone decide whether you should die or not."
 
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Chapalapachapa said:
i see media literacy faggots are re litigating this shit: maybe im a retard but what are the themes: besides cycle of violence, grief, humans are le real monster and revenge is le bad. whats so fucking deep about this fucking IP
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Those are AAA games with lots of marketing. Millions of people all over the world play them and most of them don't read books or watch movies older than 5 years. They don't have a frame of reference, so even the simplest themes are new and mindblowing to them. There's barely anything with real depth in mainstream entertainment.
 
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Chapalapachapa said:
i see media literacy faggots are re litigating this shit: maybe im a retard but what are the themes: besides cycle of violence, grief, humans are le real monster and revenge is le bad. whats so fucking deep about this fucking IP
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Nothing, "revenge is le bad" is an incredibly tired and played out trope that most people are bored of and sick of.

Also ironically the Israelis aka Druckman's people are currently genociding an entire country out of revenge which undercut his message just a little bit.

Then again given his political leanings and ethnicity Druckman is undoubtedly one of those people that think revenge and retribution are only bad when straight white men do them.
 
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Hentai-Semitism said:
What I meant was that the plot of TLOU2 boils down to hate-fuelled revenge. You killed my dad, so I'll kill yours. Some friends die as an almost inevitable result and some turn on you because they don't think it's worth it.
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The problem there is that everything in the game is supposed to juxtapose Ellie and Abby in a way that generally makes Abby look better.

After all, Ellie is the one who actually kills a pregnant woman (unknowingly and she's horrified by it), while Abby almost psychotically seems eager to kill two lives in one go at holding Ellie's pregnant girlfriend at knife point until plot device 'tranny' Mulan gets her to back off.

Ultimately, the game's biggest problem is that it's trying to tell a rather bland revenge 'eye for an eye' tale...in the middle of a zombie apocalypse where wasting effort to kill other people out of petty revenge is kind of a dumb idea (as proven in how Abby could have just dropped the whole thing, or Joel never broke character to force-inform Abby he's the one who killed her father, and the whole game just doesn't happen). You could just as easily have taken the entire plot, retrofitted it into a spaghetti western where this kind of frontier justice revenge shit makes a hell of a lot more sense, and not a whole hell of a lot changes (just replace zombies with feral coyotes or bears).

Of course, then the game couldn't do its other focus which is trying to be all insanely progressive because all the pro-LBGT crap would be alarmingly out of place (more than it already is) in the late 1800s.
 
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Optimus Prime said:
Of course, then the game couldn't do its other focus which is trying to be all insanely progressive because all the pro-LBGT crap would be alarmingly out of place (more than it already is) in the late 1800s.
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The really funny thing is that Abby according to Druckman is a biological women and not a troon and is also heterosexual apparently because we see her get cornholed by Druckman's Mexican self insert in that horrifying sex scene so a significant plot point in TLOU2 is a straight white women beating two lesbians one of which is pregnant nearly to death.

Thank you Mr Cuckman very progressive.
 
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Jace on ice said:
The really funny thing is that Abby according to Druckman is a biological women and not a troon and is also heterosexual apparently because we see her get cornholed by Druckman's Mexican self insert in that horrifying sex scene so a significant plot point in TLOU2 is a straight white women beating two lesbians one of which is pregnant nearly to death.

Thank you Mr Cuckman very progressive.
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A biological woman who has a build that was proven by fitness experts to be impossible for a woman to attain without a fully functional fitness supplement industry.
 
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Optimus Prime said:
A biological woman who has a build that was proven by fitness experts to be impossible for a woman to attain without a fully functional fitness supplement industry.
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Brock Lesnar's daughter is the closest irl example I've seen of someone with Abby's physique and her biceps and triceps are still smaller than Abby's.
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i realized after a while the theme of the story isnt "revenge bad lmao" though thats probably a factor to it, but rather a "violence begets violence" theme and needing to break that cycle, which isnt a bad theme to go after, but it probably shouldve been a wee bit more explicitly stated in the story, though a decent amount of side content does elaborate on this theme if you actually read through it.
 
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DeadwastePrime said:
i realized after a while the theme of the story isnt "revenge bad lmao" though thats probably a factor to it, but rather a "violence begets violence" theme and needing to break that cycle, which isnt a bad theme to go after, but it probably shouldve been a wee bit more explicitly stated in the story, though a decent amount of side content does elaborate on this theme if you actually read through it.
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Honestly that's not much better and gets drowned by how Ellie goes full "I'm digging two graves after I'm done with this bitch". It's also hypocritical and fails given how hard Cuckman supported Abby over Ellie, to the point where he chimped and cut the option to ice the bitch, and consistently tried to make her the sympathetic one because he didn't understand anything about story design and how it interacts with the audience. He was too retarded to understand that after going through a whole game or a TV run, your audience will prefer the ones that interested them over the new.

I also think it's a horseshit message in the apocalypse, especially one where the human groups are all bastards to each other. Turning the other cheek can mean telling others out there it's murder/rape time on their village if you just let them go without something hitting them. It was one of the best lines I heard from Bigot Sandwich guy in the clips, since that's true.

It's why you help Shady Sands in the first Fallout game by gunning and murking the Khans. It's also why the best ending in Honest Hearts is probably the loss of innocence for the Sorrows, where they learn they have to be harsh, but to show compassion if possible.

Either way Cuckman's a failure as a writer as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Adamska said:
Honestly that's not much better and gets drowned by how Ellie goes full "I'm digging two graves after I'm done with this bitch". It's also hypocritical and fails given how hard Cuckman supported Abby over Ellie, to the point where he chimped and cut the option to ice the bitch, and consistently tried to make her the sympathetic one because he didn't understand anything about story design and how it interacts with the audience. He was too retarded to understand that after going through a whole game or a TV run, your audience will prefer the ones that interested them over the new.

I also think it's a horseshit message in the apocalypse, especially one where the human groups are all bastards to each other. Turning the other cheek can mean telling others out there it's murder/rape time on their village if you just let them go without something hitting them. It was one of the best lines I heard from Bigot Sandwich guy in the clips, since that's true.

It's why you help Shady Sands in the first Fallout game by gunning and murking the Khans. It's also why the best ending in Honest Hearts is probably the lose of innocence for the Sorrows, where they learn they have to be harsh, but to show compassion if possible.

Either way Cuckman's a failure as a writer as far as I'm concerned.
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I know people hate New Vegas nowadays due to it being a troon game or whatever but compare the writing to TLOU2 and it's like night and fucking day.
 
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