The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[WinRAR Free Trial]

When I heard about cosmic I googled it and it just looked like another one of these "I wish I had a Mac" DEs with some rust cultism thrown in. I didn't quite get what's so special about it.

From what I gather people are welcoming it because they're tired of GNOME's shit, and want something that starts fresh from a sane GNOME-like base and doesn't implement insane design choices. I like to keep tabs on how that stuff's going because I wanna see soydevs shit the bed.

 

[Betonhaus]

From what I gather people are welcoming it because they're tired of GNOME's shit, and want something that starts fresh from a sane GNOME-like base and doesn't implement insane design choices. I like to keep tabs on how that stuff's going because I wanna see soydevs shit the bed.

I'm just hoping it can be set to a Windows style layout with little issue.

Actually, unless it is somehow super amazing I'll likely stick with Cinnamon regardless

 

[TheBigZee]

Lead maintainer of kernel rust development quit. Citing non-technical non-sense.

Truly the future of development.

 

[std::string]

Does the Ubuntu bloatpack still do telemetry that is totally in your own best interest?

Telemetry in Ubuntu:

1. You can opt in to send a hardware report during installation. If you built your own PC this is probably enough to uniquely identify you.
2. Attaching to Ubuntu Pro will uniquely identify you, or, well, at least the email address you used to sign up for it.
3. Automated bug reporting and all that entails.
4. It sends a ping to Canonical's servers every once in a while. I think this is to check if you have a working outbound internet connection.

That's it. You can avoid all of it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Lead maintainer of kernel rust development quit. Citing non-technical non-sense.

It helps to provide links for these things. (archive, i hope)

e: The video he links as a demonstration of the problem is enlightening. From the e-mail, it's almost possible to be sympathetic to his position, as non-technical crap can be a big demotivator. Unfortunately, what he cites as "non-technical nonsense" is extremely relevant to maintaining the stability of kernel interfaces. His problem is that other kernel devs are pushing back on the rust-first position these rust devs have unofficially adopted. Sucks to be him.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

It helps to provide links for these things. (archive, i hope)

e: The video he links as a demonstration of the problem is enlightening. From the e-mail, it's almost possible to be sympathetic to his position, as non-technical crap can be a big demotivator. Unfortunately, what he cites as "non-technical nonsense" is extremely relevant to maintaining the stability of kernel interfaces. His problem is that other kernel devs are pushing back on the rust-first position these rust devs have unofficially adopted. Sucks to be him.

Linus only allowed Rust into the kernel because of pressure from Google, I think it was. It was always stupid to have languages as different as C and Rust coexisting in the same project.

 

[AmpleApricots]

That's it. You can avoid all of it.

I might sound autistic and will take my puzzle pieces but these things always give me the jeebies. They always start low level and end up somewhere else. As long as they are opt in and not opt out, it's acceptable and I was misinformed. (It's easy to believe in things like this, sadly)

It helps to provide links for these things. (archive, i hope)

Did he really just write that if linux doesn't rust some rust kernel will come along and linux will truly be dead forever? I don't think I know any other programming language community that would claim their language of choice is the "one true language" and all other languages are irredeemable in the frequency and volume you hear it coming from the rust camp. Between this "rust can do no wrong/right side of history" attitude and the tendency of rust projects to be dependent on tons of libraries via cargo in "python rats nest" style, it makes me inherently distrust rust-based programs. People with that attitude will not admit when they are wrong about something or see their own shortcomings and that always eventually leads to shitty code that doesn't get fixed. Also trannies. But for once, let's not talk about them.
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All this ricing made me dig out my old gentoo installation (not updated in over a year) and I got it updated and up to snuff. (reinstalling might've been quicker but it was good warm up practice to get into the gentoo vibe again) I like Alpine and I think it's a very good distro that gets a lot of things right, but I think I'll be moving back to gentoo. It just happens too often that I want to add a package or patch/change one and in a binary distro like Alpine, while not impossible to do it's kinda awkward and not nearly as seamless as in Gentoo. I will keep Alpine for my fileserver though.

I also installed pale moon again and have actually really been enjoying it. When I stopped using it as a browser years ago, it basically worked with nothing. It works pretty well with a lot of websites now and is a good experience with ublock. (I usually block all javascript and unblock on a whitelist basis, I think it would actually deal poorly with script-heavy sites, but I don't use such so YMMV) Yes I know it's the furry browser and there was a lot of gay drama but if you think mozilla/google doesn't have degenerates working on their browsers, do I have surprise for you. I'll see how long I can keep using it until I hit a snag. I already really enjoy that the URL bar and tabs actually blend in with my OS theme and don't take up half the screen.

 

[geckogoy]

It was always stupid to have languages as different as C and Rust coexisting in the same project.

Or rust and other rust

 

[std::string]

I might sound autistic and will take my puzzle pieces but these things always give me the jeebies. They always start low level and end up somewhere else. As long as they are opt in and not opt out, it's acceptable and I was misinformed. (It's easy to believe in things like this, sadly)

It used to have pretty nasty stuff.

When you enter a search term into the dash Ubuntu will search your Ubuntu computer and will record the search terms locally.


Unless you have opted out (see the “Online Search” section below), we will also send your keystrokes as a search term to productsearch.ubuntu.com and selected third parties so that we may complement your search results with online search results from such third parties including: Facebook, Twitter, BBC and Amazon. Canonical and these selected third parties will collect your search terms and use them to provide you with search results while using Ubuntu.

That was twelve years ago though. Canonical, along with the rest of the corporate distro world, doesn't even really care about desktop use anymore. So there's no point in doing shit like this.

 

[ZMOT]

That was twelve years ago though. Canonical, along with the rest of the corporate distro world, doesn't even really care about desktop use anymore. So there's no point in doing shit like this.

to be fair that's basically how "search prediction" works which is enabled by default in most browsers, and most people don't know or care. only spicy difference is that it might leak some local filenames if you look for "keffals_pussy" or something.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

How's EndeavourOS for gaming?

 

[TheDataHorder]

Linus only allowed Rust into the kernel because of pressure from Google, I think it was. It was always stupid to have languages as different as C and Rust coexisting in the same project.

i remember hearing that he said it was to try to get younger devs into the kernel development.
i must've misheard.
it's probably a good thing anyways, the rust community is more toxic then nuclear waste, and shills for it's shit harder then an apple fan soyboy.

 

[He Who Points And Laughs]

FFS, stop using Ubuntu. It's a shit distro. Use Debian stable if you want to stay in the apt ecosystem without the Canonical bullshit.

 

[Betonhaus]

FFS, stop using Ubuntu. It's a shit distro. Use Debian stable if you want to stay in the apt ecosystem without the Canonical bullshit.

Or Linux Mint, which removes most of the bullshit. LMDE doesn't have any of the bullshit.

 

[Taser Confetti]

FFS, stop using Ubuntu. It's a shit distro. Use Debian stable if you want to stay in the apt ecosystem without the Canonical bullshit.

I have fond memories of 7.10 and 8.04 but god damn what a fall from grace. Fedora and OpenSuSE are unironically better distros for normies at this point in every way.

 

[Miller]

i remember hearing that he said it was to try to get younger devs into the kernel development.
i must've misheard.
it's probably a good thing anyways, the rust community is more toxic then nuclear waste, and shills for it's shit harder then an apple fan soyboy.

It's probably true. After they expelled him they (including his own daughter) forced him to have a struggle session.

 

[nichtmeinName]

Is single GPU Passthrough worth it anybody got experience with that?
Im on Linux Mint Cinnamon latest Version and im hoping to play Kernel Level Anti Cheat Games in the VM by hiding it through enabling Hyper-V in the VM.
Apparently this can trick Virtualization Detection Methods.

 

[Owlbear]

Perspective on Rust in Linux from a Rust detractor and Linux contributor:

https://drewdevault.com/2024/08/30/2024-08-30-Rust-in-Linux-revisited.html

This is a pretty bad fail of a project given how Rust has a standard library that is both too big and too small. And it has no written spec. And its solution to situations that might be "memory-unsafe" is to crash. These are all sort of antithetical to how Linux operates.

 

[TheDataHorder]

Perspective on Rust in Linux from a Rust detractor and Linux contributor:

https://drewdevault.com/2024/08/30/2024-08-30-Rust-in-Linux-revisited.html

This is a pretty bad fail of a project given how Rust has a standard library that is both too big and too small. And it has no written spec. And its solution to situations that might be "memory-unsafe" is to crash. These are all sort of antithetical to how Linux operates.

drew is a lolcow in his own right, i wouldn't trust what he says as far as you can throw the average fat tranny. (impossible)

it was likely never gonna work out well, younger devs need to learn that c and c++ became the standard for a reason and that they'll likely never be replaced for decades to come.

 

[HexFag]

Does linux just not support Intel's AX200 network chip? The internet is extremely slow on linux compared to windows.