The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[YoRHa No. 2 Type B]

Tell me why a niche (Wayland users) of a niche (Linux users) now get to dictate how applications are written?
If I made apps, this is a great sign to pull Linux support.
At least X is comparable to how Windows works with graphics.
Wayland is closer to how mobile phones like Android render graphics. And people wonder why its not perfect on the desktop!
If people want to argue that X is broken because its 40 years old now, Wayland is reaching 20 years old fast, and has only just gotten usable for basic needs (outside of kiosks) in the last year or so...
Total Red Hat/freedesktop death. Ruining the Linux desktop.

 

[Vesperus]

Tell me why a niche (Wayland users) of a niche (Linux users) now get to dictate how applications are written?

Oh, the shit icing on the turd cake is that he was arguing with factorio's Linux dev.

The whole thing (so far) is here, but be warned: Here Be Retards.
Archive for the lols.

 

[wafflesies]

I do wonder if there's a correlation between what specific distro each user uses and how helpful they are in encouraging the move to linux?

this comment thread is kin dof thought provoking from a few different angles
the first thing i thought of was a gardiner bryant video where he made a joke about a stereotypical vocal minority linux user that says "if linux goes too mainstream i'm gonna move to freebsd!"
now personally i've never met that user. i do know some linux users that have tried freebsd or jerk themselves off for using all suckless software on their corebooted x220 with linux-libre
but generally if you asked them "should a new user stick to windows or install ubuntu/mint/cachyos/whatever noob friendly distro" they'll say noob friendly distro like

Audacity was bought by Muse Group. They suck. The opposite of suckless. Musescore is now 'Musescore Hub.' Sneedacity is the new audacity.

Is Artix Linux, due to default OpenRC, not overbearing corporate systemd, while also taking the pro-supportive XLibre stance, make Artix the new clear winner of the distro wars?

artix is decent but i run into too many artix specific issues to run it on multiple devices
love the work they do, especially supporting modern inits like s6, and i like their arch base, but i have a really hard time recommending it because it's a coin flip on if the user i recommend it to can run it or not

 

[Slav Power]

Wayland has no mechanism to define a primary monitor

Actually fucking delusional.

 

[Ahriman]

That does look pretty slick.

 

[YoRHa No. 2 Type B]

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Actually fucking delusional.

Funnier when you realise this has been working right in Windows since multi monitor support was introduced with Windows 98.

But not Wayland? The "modern" display system?

 

[Slav Power]

Funnier when you realise this has been working right in Windows since multi monitor support was introduced with Windows 98.
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But not Wayland? The "modern" display system?

No you see, it makes perfect sense. This "feature" has been added to m*crosoft w*indows back in the 90's, therefore it is not only outdated, but also proprietary evil, so Wayland not having this functionality is actually intended. Same goes for X11, which is not only ancient, but also evil as it is not Wayland.

 

[Max Weber]

Fuck monitors. fuck windowing. All you need is TUI and a printer. Want a second display? Get another printer, and start a separate shell instance. There, I solved everything.

 

[The Wise Shaman]

Fuck monitors. fuck windowing. All you need is TUI and a printer. Want a second display? Get another printer, and start a separate shell instance. There, I solved everything.

Real chads take the typewriter-pill

 

[Croco]

Funnier when you realise this has been working right in Windows since multi monitor support was introduced with Windows 98.
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But not Wayland? The "modern" display system?

Didn't Valve fork Wayland? Steamdeck has primary/secondary monitor for dock/handheld mode. And there's this:
"When you switch to Desktop Mode (for running non-Steam software), the Steam Deck switches to X11/Xorg." /sneed

 

[Milkshake Sniffer]

I'm generally ignorant in this area (a man's gotta know his limitations) so I can't argue when I see far more informed folk say Wayland is the future. But when I see Wayland I see corpo stunts, troons and the worst standards of dogmatic cult like behaviour. It may be the future but I remain to be convinced that it's a good future.

 

[Kuroyuri]

Didn't Valve fork Wayland? Steamdeck has primary/secondary monitor for dock/handheld mode. And there's this:
"When you switch to Desktop Mode (for running non-Steam software), the Steam Deck switches to X11/Xorg." /sneed

wayland protocols into "frog protocols" [a] IIRC, because wayland is run by a bunch of faggots and troons, ironic that the forkers are also apparently troons.

 

[volatile puar]

I'm generally ignorant in this area (a man's gotta know his limitations) so I can't argue when I see far more informed folk say Wayland is the future. But when I see Wayland I see corpo stunts, troons and the worst standards of dogmatic cult like behaviour. It may be the future but I remain to be convinced that it's a good future.

People have been saying Wayland is inevitable since at least 2015, but it never happened. Wayland is both more ready than ever since basically it's baseline usable now, but less inevitable than ever because X11 got revived.

 

[Akerman]

"Please add a primary monitor setting it's literally been a standard on desktop systems for decades"


"Urm, sweaty, we in wayland have all agreed" ...

Who gives a shit what you agreed to? Who the hell are you? - The Wayland side are entirely disconnected from reality. Nobody uses Wayland because of their sacred "philosophy", they use it because it's a more "modern" way of displaying the desktop and because it allegedly offers better security. - "More modern" means it offers support for some features and better scaling. That's literally it, and all people are asking for are sane defaults. But this is the ''future'', so deal w/ it or get out I guess.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

"More modern" means it offers support for some features and better scaling.

If we were talking 10-20 years ago, sure, but this is current year, which means "more modern" stands for having less features than the previous version.

 

[GNU Abyss]

"Please add a primary monitor setting it's literally been a standard on desktop systems for decades"

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"Urm, sweaty, we in wayland have all agreed" ...

Who gives a shit what you agreed to? Who the hell are you? - The Wayland side are entirely disconnected from reality. Nobody uses Wayland because of their sacred "philosophy", they use it because it's a more "modern" way of displaying the desktop and because it allegedly offers better security. - "More modern" means it offers support for some features and better scaling. That's literally it, and all people are asking for are sane defaults. But this is the ''future'', so deal w/ it or get out I guess.

Note the first point. Some compositors don't have that concept, but that means that some compositors will. Because of practical considerations. Now you have an off-standard feature that users want, but it's entirely dependent on how the authors of the compositors implemented it. Have fun creating programs for this kind of schizo environment.

 

[jeff7989]

CoCk blocked! I hate gayland cultists.

Note the first point. Some compositors don't have that concept, but that means that some compositors will. Because of practical considerations. Now you have an off-standard feature that users want, but it's entirely dependent on how the authors of the compositors implemented it. Have fun creating programs for this kind of schizo environment.

Umm sweatie, big yikes. Wayland is just a protocol, all implementations are valid!

 

[Belisarius Cawl]

this comment thread is kin dof thought provoking from a few different angles
the first thing i thought of was a gardiner bryant video where he made a joke about a stereotypical vocal minority linux user that says "if linux goes too mainstream i'm gonna move to freebsd!"
now personally i've never met that user. i do know some linux users that have tried freebsd or jerk themselves off for using all suckless software on their corebooted x220 with linux-libre
but generally if you asked them "should a new user stick to windows or install ubuntu/mint/cachyos/whatever noob friendly distro" they'll say noob friendly distro like

You are also not limited by n00b-friendly Linux distros in most respects. Here you can see the OS statistics of every single top 500 non-distributed supercomputer in the world (they all run Linux AFAIK):

https://top500.org/statistics/list/

It's not perfect because a lot of responders to the polling just said "Linux" but, of those who specified, they're mostly using pretty mainstream distros like Ubuntu and CentOS, with a few that are more off the beaten path that seem to be software suites based on said mainstream distros catering specifically to the supercomputing environment. I really doubt any of these sites are run with an extensively riced Gentoo installation complete with dwm and an anime tiddies background.

 

[Vesperus]

Umm sweatie, big yikes. Wayland is just a protocol, all implementations are valid!

Wayland isn't going tell the monitors how to identify, you nazi chuds! Maybe your 720p monitor wants to be primary, did you think of that!?
Literally shaking right now. You're all blocked from my git.

 

[DavidS877]

Umm sweatie, big yikes. Wayland is just a protocol, all implementations are valid!

My X11 display server identifies as Wayland, you could say it's "trans wayland".