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so my question would be, whats the likelihood that xlibre even gets adopted by anyone? im sure distros will package it eventually, but will apps and desktops support it? i have lots of apps that could not be replaced. while i could probably keep using old versions of software myself, what happens when a web browser drops x11? am i just fucked?
I think a decent amount of distros will either adopt it or get 3rd party repos:


sure, but don't apps and desktops also need to support it? several desktop environments are already talking about switching exclusively to wayland, because (understandably) developers don't want to upkeep two versions of these already massive projects. and i cant imagine random internet projects made by 1 person in their free time want to do the same. i've already seen programs i want to use outright REQUIRE wayland, and refuse supporting x11.
I think we're just going to see more advanced and mature versions of shit like this (the opposite of xwayland):


and I think it will be hilarious if it works better than native Wayland. There are a ton of tools (KiCad, DAW music tools, Flameshot, Xscreensaver) that may never work on any Wayland system.
 
change causes me to start autistically screeching.
So all of the people that are actually mad about wayland.
wayland requires beefier systems and essentially forces vsync,
not that I've seen. It does force vsync basically. So you don't have screen tearing. but it doesn't require anything more powerful than running xorg does. Really if you run xlibre it's going to be doing the same thing. Or running xorg with it set to not allow screen tearing in the config. Really the only time I've actually ran into a situation where I would say it was heavily taxing on system resources. Was running xorg with picom, with certain configuration options set. I would really notice that.

All that said. Its really anyone's guess what was going on for you. Especially with that being kde you are talking about. But it's defnitely doesn't require a beefier computer to run wayland.
I have a hunch that Wayland being forced down everyone's throats will just lead to a systemd level revolt where "anti Wayland distros" will start popping up, just like what happened with systemd.
idk. I'm someone that doesn't like systemd, but I just don't get the autistic rage over wayland. I couldn't care less if distros are using wayland by default or not. For one thing. it's way harder for a normal users to manually swap out the init system. Without having a good bit of knowledge about how things are actually working. So having a distro built around just the idea of having another init kind of makes sense. It's pretty easy to just install xorg, even if a distro doesn't offer it by default. And use that instead.

I like a lot of the window managers, and tools built around xorg. It sucks having to move onto replacements, or not having 1 to 1 replacements for some of them on wayland. For me that's the main thing I don't like about wayland at this point.
 
I have a hunch that Wayland being forced down everyone's throats will just lead to a systemd level revolt where "anti Wayland distros" will start popping up, just like what happened with systemd.
Moreso, I think. I view systemd with distaste because it's goddamn hydra, and I'd like to get rid of it if that's an easy option, but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on. Of all the gripes I have with Manjaro *waves at a towering stack of boxfiles* systemd isn't actually one of them: At least it fucking works.

I have nothing against Xlibre - I just dont see it gaining any momentum or mattering in the long term. I think it may offer some value as a temporary holdover for any issues people still have with Wayland, but the inevitable end result is that software is going to stop supporting X eventually and moving over will be the practical choice.
Quite possibly. But if we don't have retards like Sebastian Wick killing X11/Xlibre for religious reasons, that can happen organically if/when wayland is good enough:
This is preferable to where we were last month with CAD users, multi-monitor users, and the disabled being told to go eat an entire bag of dicks.

Call me retarded, but game devs should not decide what monitor anything ends up on.
You are indeed retarded.
It's gamers who want to decide what monitor things end up on, the devs just want to know that decision.
 
I have a hunch that Wayland being forced down everyone's throats will just lead to a systemd level revolt where "anti Wayland distros" will start popping up, just like what happened with systemd.
The "anti-systemd revolt" never really amounted to anything, did it? I use Devuan, but I'm under no illusion that it's anything but a schizo distro just like all the other systemd-less distros.
Really, if the pendulum swings back on systemd, it'll be because Debian opened the door a crack to "init diversity" a release or two ago.
 
Speaking of Debian, two Debian devs (or, rather, one Debian dev and one Canonical employee, AFAICT) tried to edit the Are We XLibre Yet? page with their opinions:

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Is there any discussion on the forums/public MLs or did they just decide to add that on their own?
 
Is there any discussion on the forums/public MLs or did they just decide to add that on their own?
A few days ago someone gave instructions on r/debian for building Xlibre and managed to get more updoots than the people yelling "nazi", so I don't think it's as unpopular as some people would like you too believe... Time will tell, I guess. I imagine the internal discussions have much flinging of excrement.
 
Slackware is not currently supportive of XLibre: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/xlibre-xserver-4175751344/
Choosing to stick with Xorg for the time being.
Politics aside, they generally pick software based on technical merit (and ship a lot of old software that hard depends on X), wanting to stay as Unix like as possible (they refuse to ship systemd, it took them a very long time to adopt PulseAudio and PAM, and only did so when forced).
I know the Slackware guys generally aren't supportive of Wayland either, so may end up shipping XLibre in the future. Wait and see.

These two comments by Patrick Volkerding (leader of Slackware) himself stuck out to me:
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Speaking of Debian, two Debian devs (or, rather, one Debian dev and one Canonical employee, AFAICT) tried to edit the Are We XLibre Yet? page with their opinions:

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Is there any discussion on the forums/public MLs or did they just decide to add that on their own?
This is exactly what I was saying a week or so ago when I was talking about them really fucking up when they mentioned diy in the readme by name. He just gave all these weirdos fuel to use against the project. Just such a dumb move for the longevity of the project. I feel like anyone that doesn't understand what i'm saying. has to be a bit delusional about this.

And lunduke in particular made it worse. The only thing he really accomplished is setting the stage for making more videos about woke devs that won't work with the project for political reasons.
 
Speaking of Debian, two Debian devs (or, rather, one Debian dev and one Canonical employee, AFAICT) tried to edit the Are We XLibre Yet? page with their opinions:
Debian is one of the many distros infected with the CoC plague. Safe to assume that CoC = faggot central. At this point vocal detraction of XLibre can also be used as a faggotry litmus test, considering that e.g. Void, Alpine and Chimer all have three things in common: they dislike XLibre, have a CoC and are run by trannies. Shocker!

In other new it looks like the guy porting XLibre to FreeBSD has managed to spin up a working version:

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Shame that FreeBSD is among the infected. bhyve and jails look super cool.
 
Debian is one of the many distros infected with the CoC plague.
Having used Debian since 2.2, I really hate seeing the rot set in like it has.

It's been my preferred distro for more than two decades and every time I try to switch I end up coming back to what's "comfortable", but the endless faggotry and identity crap has become so incredibly grating. I wish I could see some future where Debian stops being infested with ideology bullshit but just like the Linux space as a whole I think we're beyond that possibility now.
 
So, if Debian, Void and Alpine are pozzed, what are other good options for Proxmox containers? Been thinking about redoing things a bit, maybe getting NextCloud running.
 
Debian is one of the many distros infected with the CoC plague. Safe to assume that CoC = faggot central. At this point vocal detraction of XLibre can also be used as a faggotry litmus test, considering that e.g. Void, Alpine and Chimer all have three things in common: they dislike XLibre, have a CoC and are run by trannies. Shocker!

In other new it looks like the guy porting XLibre to FreeBSD has managed to spin up a working version:

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Shame that FreeBSD is among the infected. bhyve and jails look super cool.
What is the name of the theme used here?
 
Shame that FreeBSD is among the infected. bhyve and jails look super cool.
Not using a project for political reasons is always gay and retarded. Even its its my own political reasons. Some of those projects do actually have good use cases. And do what they are meant to do well. If software works well. I don't care who wrote it. It could be microsoft even. If they open-source it, and it's not selling my data or serving me ads.

I just see the mirror version of trannies saying "but they want me dead". It's the spiderman meme where they're pointing at each other.
 
Having used Debian since 2.2, I really hate seeing the rot set in like it has.

It's been my preferred distro for more than two decades and every time I try to switch I end up coming back to what's "comfortable", but the endless faggotry and identity crap has become so incredibly grating. I wish I could see some future where Debian stops being infested with ideology bullshit but just like the Linux space as a whole I think we're beyond that possibility now.
I just don't like how it uses such an old kernel. I think Debian 12 still doesn't support Intel Arc GPUs
 
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