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Big Fish said:
To be honest I feel like this thread is one of few places where using X11 instead of Wayland isn't a crime and suggesting XLibre as a proper X11 successor doesn't make you literally Hitler.

As for my distro, I use Debian with LXQt Xorg desktop and might either stay there or make my switch to Devuan as systemd is a ticking time bomb of an init.
Which alternate init would you recommend to a relative beginner in serious Linux stuff?
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openrc probably.

Also you are literally Hitler.
 
Big Fish said:
As for my distro, I use Debian with LXQt Xorg desktop and might either stay there or make my switch to Devuan as systemd is a ticking time bomb of an init.
Which alternate init would you recommend to a relative beginner in serious Linux stuff?
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It will be easier to make this transition with a fresh install.

Openrc was fun back in the day on Gentoo, but I really see no reason in the modern world with NVME drives and hibernation to use anything but sysvinit. It is the normal, standard init, it is at least as compatible as any bizarre newfangled alternate init like systemd, and it isn't any slower to boot.
 
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It will be easier to make this transition with a fresh install.

Openrc was fun back in the day on Gentoo, but I really see no reason in the modern world with NVME drives and hibernation to use anything but sysvinit. It is the normal, standard init, it is at least as compatible as any bizarre newfangled alternate init like systemd, and it isn't any slower to boot.
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The way OpenRC works by default is rather clever, it still uses sysvinit as the main init system, while OpenRC acts as a service manager.
Get the stability of sysvinit, while having a much nicer way to manage services. Best of both worlds.
Which is what systemd should have been, instead of the behemoth it has become.

The Gentoo wiki article on sysvinit is really detailed, and has a good writeup about how its still used today in the boot process:
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There is an openrc-init system available too but since its not the default, people don't generally seem to use it.
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Big Fish said:
To be honest I feel like this thread is one of few places where using X11 instead of Wayland isn't a crime and suggesting XLibre as a proper X11 successor doesn't make you literally Hitler.

As for my distro, I use Debian with LXQt Xorg desktop and might either stay there or make my switch to Devuan as systemd is a ticking time bomb of an init.
Which alternate init would you recommend to a relative beginner in serious Linux stuff?
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Ya I'm kind of pissed people jumped on the dudes politics and said they can't use it now
Having active x11 development is a positive change period end of sentence
Fuck those people who would rather it die just because they can't grow up and accept people exist that aren't like them
 
Big Fish said:
To be honest I feel like this thread is one of few places where using X11 instead of Wayland isn't a crime and suggesting XLibre as a proper X11 successor doesn't make you literally Hitler.

As for my distro, I use Debian with LXQt Xorg desktop and might either stay there or make my switch to Devuan as systemd is a ticking time bomb of an init.
Which alternate init would you recommend to a relative beginner in serious Linux stuff?
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Ah yes, XLibre. Time for me to take a look at that. Thanks for the indirect heads-up. I hate Wayland, and so will be gladly committing another hate crime.
 
wafflesies said:
Ya I'm kind of pissed people jumped on the dudes politics and said they can't use it now
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Almost like it was a dumb move to not keep it politically neutral, and Lunuke promoting it as "Non-DEI" right when it started, was a long term negative for the project. Unfortunately with how these people think, He did most of their work for them discrediting the project. It already primed them to not like it, if they were lefties, doubly so if they were Wayland shills. Then Brodie Roberson makes a video pretty quickly after, about the nvidia thing that happened, and painting the project as incompetent. That was all those types needed to write it off forever.

One of the things that has also hurt the project quite a bit. Even though xlibre itself in my experience with it so far works quite well. There has been quite a bit of fumbling of packaging the project for various distros. Even the officially endorsed packages. (not sure if they are packaged by people on the project, or people that volunteered to help, and the project just recommends them) either way. The effect I have seen from it is the people that are already primed to not like it for political reasons see the haphazard packaging, and run into problems, and write off the entire project because "He's a heckin reactionary anyway"

I really think they should take the time, to go over all of their packages. Learn the packaging conventions of the distros they are making them for. Make sure that the packages follow those, and there aren't going to be random changes that break the packag every other update. Because it's such a dumb problem that could be avoided if there was more time taken to make sure it was done properly.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
One of the things that has also hurt the project quite a bit. Even though xlibre itself in my experience with it so far works quite well. There has been quite a bit of fumbling of packaging the project for various distros. Even the officially endorsed packages. (not sure if they are packaged by people on the project, or people that volunteered to help, and the project just recommends them) either way. The effect I have seen from it is the people that are already primed to not like it for political reasons see the haphazard packaging, and run into problems, and write off the entire project because "He's a heckin reactionary anyway"
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Generally there has been zero push by the Xlibre developers to get Xlibre added to official repositories, for the sole reason that they still consider it to be in beta and want to wait for version 25.1.0 first, whenever that comes out (they have refused to give a timeline). The third party repos are of the current "beta" version, which is already more stable then 90% of Wayland compositors by a long shot.

As it is, they don't see the need to win public favor because they only need to convince the distro managers, and they expect the code to speak for itself. Even if they do add it it'll be a while for most distros to replace Xorg with Xlibre on the release version of their distros.
 
Betonhaus said:
Generally there has been zero push by the Xlibre developers to get Xlibre added to official repositories, for the sole reason that they still consider it to be in beta and want to wait for version 25.1.0 first, whenever that comes out (they have refused to give a timeline). The third party repos are of the current "beta" version, which is already more stable then 90% of Wayland compositors by a long shot.

As it is, they don't see the need to win public favor because they only need to convince the distro managers, and they expect the code to speak for itself. Even if they do add it it'll be a while for most distros to replace Xorg with Xlibre on the release version of their distros.
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I'm saying the third party repos, and packages are giving people issues, that could easily be solved, if there was a bit more time put into it. And there was a bit more time looking at how a distro normally packages a project. It's been one of the things that I have first hand seen hurt the projects credibility. I have seen people critize the project, and using it's frankly bad packaging practices, to paint the competence of the project as a whole in a bad light.

That, and the other critizisms I have seen of the project, are basically parroting Brodie Roberstons first video talking about Xlibre. All of this stuff in my opinion should be taken seriously. Having a package that is going to just work at the very least when you follow the directions given in the repo, or avoiding the need for manual intervention during updates. Will help.

I wouldn't have said any of this if it wasn't something I have personally seen people saying. I already, use it, and like the project, so I don't really mind that much when I have to deal with the packaging of it. For people that don't want to like it for political reasons, and those that have been primed to think the project is bad though aren't/won't give it the same benifit of the doubt I do. The cards were stacked against this project from the beginning. It should really take these things seriously.
 
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Now that I am settled and comfortable (somewhat) with mint, going to try some other distros on my laptop :) Trying out Fedora first since my friend says he enjoys it. Will report here how that goes :semperfidelis:
 
Cannot edit my prior post apologies for double posting lol. On Fedora, things are working "okay". I def prefer Minx compared to this Desktop, I think its gnome? Its rather poor. Oh well its a learning experience!
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
I wouldn't have said any of this if it wasn't something I have personally seen people saying. I already, use it, and like the project, so I don't really mind that much when I have to deal with the packaging of it. For people that don't want to like it for political reasons, and those that have been primed to think the project is bad though aren't/won't give it the same benifit of the doubt I do. The cards were stacked against this project from the beginning. It should really take these things seriously.
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It is a concern that may slow adoption, however it should work out anyways. I recall Hyprland being hated for similar reasons, up until people realized it was actually pretty decent and now it's well adopted. I won't argue that if in six months Ubuntu uses it instead of Wayland and Xorg there will be public outcry, but it will slowly percolate from the more practical distros until the crazy ones have no choice but to accept it.
 
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