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jeff7989 said:
I had to sell 4060Ti because my PC wouldn't POST half of the time if main screen was using DP. So much for quality.
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I have a similar issue, and now that I think about it I've never thought about it being a DP issue. Every cold-boot results in a d6 (failure to initiate VGA) on my ASUS Crosshair Dark Hero VIII. It doesn't stop POST though - it'll still boot but it just ends up like it's headless. GUI when I remote in is 640x480, on Windows anyway. I don't know how Linux would handle that. I should see with NoMachine sometime. Usually I just hit C+A+Del when I see d6 come up on the diagnostic display and it'll work on the second attempt every time. If moving to HDMI solves the issue I'll owe you a... sticker I guess.
 
jeff7989 said:
I had to sell 4060Ti because my PC wouldn't POST half of the time if main screen was using DP. So much for quality.
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What does that have to do with drivers? If your PC doesn't POST, something isn't right with your hardware or firmware. Could be mobo, GPU, or whatever else.
 
Get Phobo said:
What does that have to do with drivers? If your PC doesn't POST, something isn't right with your hardware or firmware. Could be mobo, GPU, or whatever else.
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Guess who writes firmware for Nvidia GPU? Drivers are just an interface for OS.

ghastlyretard said:
If moving to HDMI solves the issue I'll owe you a... sticker I guess
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You may lose Freesync when moving to HDMI, just keep that in mind if you use it.
 
Get Phobo said:
What does that have to do with drivers? If your PC doesn't POST, something isn't right with your hardware or firmware. Could be mobo, GPU, or whatever else.
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Squirrel drivers.
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ghastlyretard said:
My time with Arch on my 3080ti has been almost completely painless as long as I make sure to avoid launching my DE in Wayland. I get the distaste for nvidia's closed source shit, but performance has been on par with Windows (sometimes better, but that comes down purely to not having background shit running). The only challenge I'm having is that as KDE approaches twink-death by removing x11 support, I'll have to jump to something else and I just haven't found out what yet. XFCE4 seemed like an option and I got to a point that it was good for desktop and web browsing, but for some reason just couldn't handle playing games on. I think I was reading that it was something to do with a compositor, but I get so little time to use my PC now that it's easier to just go back to KDE with the plasma-x11-session package.
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Randy Bitchfork said your gpu is ancient and that you should kill yourself immidiately.
 
Battlefield42 said:
Randy Bitchfork said your gpu is ancient and that you should kill yourself immidiately.
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I went through like a week of settling into a new laptop with a 5080 in it, sorting out all kinds of weird issues involving secure boot, dual boot, and mounting EFS in read-only for some god awful reason. I was so excited to get it all sorted out, and the night I did it was the release for Borderlands 4. It came free with the laptop. I REDEEMED it on Steam, installed it, played 30 minutes, and immediately ripped my NVME drives and memory out so I could return it the next day. What a fucking shit show. Turned out my 3080TI had +10-20% performance over that 5080 laptop chip. I really thought two generations and extra memory would have made up the difference, but I was wrong.
 
ghastlyretard said:
My time with Arch on my 3080ti has been almost completely painless as long as I make sure to avoid launching my DE in Wayland. I get the distaste for nvidia's closed source shit, but performance has been on par with Windows (sometimes better, but that comes down purely to not having background shit running). The only challenge I'm having is that as KDE approaches twink-death by removing x11 support, I'll have to jump to something else and I just haven't found out what yet. XFCE4 seemed like an option and I got to a point that it was good for desktop and web browsing, but for some reason just couldn't handle playing games on. I think I was reading that it was something to do with a compositor, but I get so little time to use my PC now that it's easier to just go back to KDE with the plasma-x11-session package.
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What DEs have you tried? I live Cinnamon bu everyone has their own tastes
 
Battlefield42 said:
Randy Bitchfork said your gpu is ancient and that you should kill yourself immidiately.
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I can run Cyberpunk 2077 on maxed out raster at 1440p on a 3090 with ~100fps average because REDengine 4 is actually optimized. No one should give a shit what Randy "Greasy Bastard that lost a USB stick full of kiddie porn" Bitchford has to say about people's rigs to excuse his company from not being able to use a shitty unoptimized engine for their dogshit games.
 
Betonhaus said:
What DEs have you tried? I live Cinnamon bu everyone has their own tastes
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I should try Cinnamon. I tried a few, but I really only remember KDE, xfce, and Trinity. I was willing to put in some of the work for xfce4 because I enjoy the mascot, but KDE does really well at running out of the box. Likely it's just me not fully understanding which packages I need - for sure that was my experience with sound. I saw an Omarchy video earlier, and while I don't think I'll use anything hyprland based just because it requires wayland, I was kind of interested in the idea of a tiling window manager.
 
ghastlyretard said:
I was kind of interested in the idea of a tiling window manager.
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Is there any particular reason for that? I'm often hesitant to recommend them to people who are new to window managers. You’re very much on your own when it comes to customization, but getting a basic setup isn’t usually a problem. I would recommend cwm, which is a stacking window manager with better documentation than most. However, it is quite barebones.
 
Frederica Bernkastel said:
Is there any particular reason for that? I'm often hesitant to recommend them to people who are new to window managers. You’re very much on your own when it comes to customization, but getting a basic setup isn’t usually a problem. I would recommend cwm, which is a stacking window manager with better documentation than most. However, it is quite barebones.
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Idk. I think i3 is probably a lot easier to deal with for a new person to window managers. Also it is tiling. Which fits in with what they are interested in.

It comes with a usable base configuration. You can use it with no configuration necessary if you want. It's also well documented. If you do want to customize it. Also you can install the auto tiling package on most distros so you won't have to deal with the manual tiling stuff.
 
Frederica Bernkastel said:
Is there any particular reason for that?
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It's small-brained maybe, but the video I saw of Omarchy just looked cool. My understanding is that hyprland is supposed to be very aesthetically pleasing and that I'll probably not be as impressed by other tiling managers. I also never truly understood what a tiling window manager would look like until I saw that video. Typically I use my machine by just maximizing my windows which is a shit use of my monitor space. Sometimes I'll split the screen by snapping windows, but most of the time I forget about doing that and I'll tab back and forth or just use my separate monitors for a single window each. Thinking about it makes me feel a little retarded, honestly. Maybe a tiling window manager would help improve productivity.
prollyanotherlurker said:
I think i3 is probably a lot easier to deal with
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I'll add that to the list of ones to try.
 
ghastlyretard said:
My understanding is that hyprland is supposed to be very aesthetically pleasing and that I'll probably not be as impressed by other tiling managers. I also never truly understood what a tiling window manager would look like until I saw that video. Typically I use my machine by just maximizing my windows which is a shit use of my monitor space. Sometimes I'll split the screen by snapping windows, but most of the time I forget about doing that and I'll tab back and forth or just use my separate monitors for a single window each. Thinking about it makes me feel a little retarded, honestly. Maybe a tiling window manager would help improve productivity.
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There are people here that have strong opinions about not liking tiling window manager. It seemed like a lot of them came down to they ended up wasting timing just fixing things instead of using it. Which is really more on them for not just getting it set up, and leaving it alone.

The others I have seen, seem to come from people that struggled to understand the concept of configuration through text files, rather than a settings GUI. And decided instead of learning how to do that. It's a waste of time. (Personally I would go for a text config file over a GUI for basically anything if at all possible. I can't stand clicking through a menus to search for shit, I just want to open it in vim and do / and search.)

I moved to tiling window managers a while back. And since doing it, I don't think I will ever go back to floating. Every once in a while I will need to use a desktop, and deal with the shitty floating window management. And it's just so much more tedious, and slow. I'm used to never having to worry about positioning, clicking on a border to resize, manually moving windows around with a mouse. I don't think about any of it. I just use the programs, and the window manager does it's job (managing windows, so I don't have to).

Anyway. On aesthetics. You can make any window manager look as good as you want, or leave it as bland, and generic as you want. It's up to you. Omarchy could be a good choice if you just want something that looks nice out of the box. Otherwise you will need to set it up to look nice yourself. Hyprland is pretty easy to get an aesthetic looking window manager. It's also one of the only things on Wayland that is worth using.
 
ghastlyretard said:
The only challenge I'm having is that as KDE approaches twink-death by removing x11 support, I'll have to jump to something else and I just haven't found out what yet.
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If people are dropping gnome for turning into a hot mess, there's a chance KDE will change direction. Failing that:
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I want to believe...
 
ghastlyretard said:
XFCE4 seemed like an option and I got to a point that it was good for desktop and web browsing, but for some reason just couldn't handle playing games on. I think I was reading that it was something to do with a compositor
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XFCE4 is cozy, however since version 4.20 came out and they added wayland support a lot of shit broke on x11. Minor annoyances, mostly.
You have to disable the compositor on XFCE for gaming, or the games will feel sluggish as fuck. You can also enable tearfree and use the compositor and it works without problems.
I'll probably switch over to something else someday, probably KDE.

oh yeah, steam also has issues with XFCE for some reason. most drop down menus will not recognize you clicking on them. navigating reviews or the steam workshop is a massive pain in the ass.
 
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