The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[ditto]

Finally a Youtuber to goon to while learning about Linux systems' programming.

 

[Tremolo]

Apparently the Xubuntu download page got compromised recently and the torrent download briefly linked to a clipboard crypto swapper .exe that's designed to run on windows (for a linux iso? Lmao) instead of a .torrent file. Honestly no clue who the fuck is falling for this but also them using wordpress means they were asking for this to happen.

 

[Esope]

Sorry if im shitting up the thread but look at that year of the Linux desktop (nofake), i gotta try it

 

[cigint]

&& = execute the next command after finishing the first command

No, that's ;

&& means also execute another command IF the first command returned without an error code.

And that's another lesson you need to learn about Linux: don't learn it from "other people", because then you're dealing with an N-long chain of monkeys on broken telephones just passing along their personal interpretations of information from some other asshole that also didn't really know. Get comfortable reading manuals.

 

[Ferryman]

Until they try to flee Microsoft and the screen capture (Spectacle) doesn't work because of Wayland or their game produces stuttery frametimes because Wayland doesn't want to disable the compositor for a borderless full-screen window.

Not what I meant, I was talking about the x11 vs wayland isolation debate. Both Wayland and XLibre are in "beta", both have good parts and bad. In any case I think the majority of Wayland hate stems from your second point.

Wayland is still beta, and will probably ever be, and, even worse, forces planed deprecation, a feat normally reserved for Microsoft and Apple.

Which, granted, is true. Freedesktop et al are absolute niggers. FOSS is all about choice after all. Still, dismissing Wayland wholesale because of its dev team is no different than what Alpine did with XLibre. Good people on both ends should collaborate to shake off corpotroon yolk. The recent buzz around Vaxry and DHH makes it clear that such people exist in the Wayland world as well. Hey, who knows, maybe we'll even see it getting forked into Hypromarchudland if people get fatigued enough.

Since we're on topic, @Creative Username, peep this: https://github.com/X11Libre/packaging/discussions/41#discussioncomment-14725003 ; the age of the Hurd is soon upon us, we must believe!

 

[Creative Username]

Not what I meant, I was talking about the x11 vs wayland isolation debate. Both Wayland and XLibre are in "beta", both have good parts and bad. In any case I think the majority of Wayland hate stems from your second point.

truth about x11 vs. wayland: x11 is broken shitware (well-known fact since at least the 90s) and wayland is broken shitware too

the endless fights between stockholm syndrome faggots and optimistic retards who can't see the developing flaws in their shiny new protocol are very funny

Still, dismissing Wayland wholesale because of its dev team is no different than what Alpine did with XLibre. Good people on both ends should collaborate to shake off corpotroon yolk. The recent buzz around Vaxry and DHH makes it clear that such people exist in the Wayland world as well.

the wayland trannies are absolutely right: wayland is a nice simple protocol that is easy to implement for anyone so inclined
if they were wrong then hyprland would surely not be so popular

Since we're on topic, @Creative Username, peep this: https://github.com/X11Libre/packaging/discussions/41#discussioncomment-14725003 ; the age of the Hurd is soon upon us, we must believe!

evil github repository detected to it's not fully stalal
still based anyway (the hurd is involved)

 

[Creative Username]

What GPU is it? If it's Nvidia you can usually install the GPU drivers right off their website as a fail-safe

NEVER
do this. if you install drivers off a website on gnu/linux you should just go back to windows

Spoiler: why this is islamic

yes it seems to run great right after you install it but then you do a kernel upgrade and hilarious things start happening

 

[Betonhaus]

NEVER
do this. if you install drivers off a website on gnu/linux you should just go back to windows

Spoiler: why this is islamic

yes it seems to run great right after you install it but then you do a kernel upgrade and hilarious things start happening

The installer does give you to option to use DKMS so when you get a new kernel the drivers get recompiled. Generally it's best avoid using the drivers from Nvidia's website but they always work and I have used them as a backup solution many times

 

[Creative Username]

The installer does give you to option to use DKMS so when you get a new kernel the drivers get recompiled.

i did not know this, i guess it's 8/10 warcrime points then

Generally it's best avoid considering the proprietary drivers from Nvidia or having one of their cards in the first place

fixed

i have seen nouveau getting strangely good lately. i hope with my entire rms-foot-fungus-stained heart that it pulls a "mesa radv driver" at some point (not going to hold my breath though, always get an amd card if you can; i rarely see incredibly weird gpu problems happening to people in amd land)

 

[The Noise]

truth about x11 vs. wayland: x11 is broken shitware (well-known fact since at least the 90s) and wayland is broken shitware too

I'm reminded of this iconic bit from the Unix Haters Handbook:

Nothing has changed in 40 years. Nothing on Linux is complete and correct, and it isn't even small and simple anymore. The only audience Linux has is people too proud to admit that they only use it because it's (monetarily) free and they aren't smart enough to use the registry editor to disable the annoying bits of Windows 11.

I kid. Mostly.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Which, granted, is true. Freedesktop et al are absolute niggers. FOSS is all about choice after all. Still, dismissing Wayland wholesale because of its dev team is no different than what Alpine did with XLibre.

It's not really the same. Wayland's dev team deliberately sabotaged X and go out of their way to cause problems for rival projects. They're activists who use Wayland as a platform for their activism, then use their activism and social status as a wedge to force their project as a replacement for X. It's like Rust. The actual language is fine, but everything around it, from the ecosystem, to the "community", to the political machinations aimed at forcing it into major projects regardless of suitability, is a complete nightmare.

Meanwhile, Xlibre's dev "team"... said a few rude things and then set about fixing code. Really not comparable at all.

 

[Creative Username]

Nothing on Linux is complete and correct, and it isn't even small and simple anymore. The only audience Linux has is people too proud to admit that they only use it because it's (monetarily) free and they aren't smart enough to use the registry editor to disable the annoying bits of Windows 11.

you're talking mad shit for somebody shilling a system descended from a shitty clone of a glorified bootloader for an even shittier 16-bit microcontroller with no mmu based on an 8-bit microcontroller with no mmu

yeah, go tell me with a straight face that anything on windows is small, simple, complete, or correct. you're only just discreetly implying it in your post because if you said it outright it would be the funniest joke i've heard today

 

[The Noise]

you're talking mad shit for somebody shilling a system descended from a shitty clone of a glorified bootloader for an even shittier 16-bit microcontroller with no mmu based on an 8-bit microcontroller with no mmu

You are way too smart to be making this argument. The NT kernel isn't based on DOS. Even for the Windows versions that were based on DOS, they had working windowing. The lineage of the OS doesn't matter because even if Bill Gates had programmed Windows from the ground up using a dildo moving up and down his anal cavity to write raw 1s and 0s to a microcontroller, it would still have working windowing.

yeah, go tell me with a straight face that anything on windows is small, simple, complete, or correct. you're only just discreetly implying it in your post because if you said it outright it would be the funniest joke i've heard today

No, I did not say Windows was small. I said Linux wasn't small. Windows is correct enough to continue to be the plurality of desktop OS marketshare.

 

[cigint]

you're talking mad shit for somebody shilling a system descended from

He is right though. Linux is based on the UNIX design, which is based on the idea that the faculty can only afford one computer and they need to share it between at most 32767 users. Nigga, your physical interface to your Linux kernel is still called a teletype.

Desktop users really don't need user ids and groups and file permissions etc. we're married to these things and use Linux because the guy who was making an actual microkernel at the time Linus started working on Linux Freax, decided that his microkernel is too genius to give away for free, and Linus was willing to distribute his kernel for free. That's the only reason.

 

[Ferryman]

It's not really the same. Wayland's dev team deliberately sabotaged X and go out of their way to cause problems for rival projects. They're activists who use Wayland as a platform for their activism, then use their activism and social status as a wedge to force their project as a replacement for X. It's like Rust. The actual language is fine, but everything around it, from the ecosystem, to the "community", to the political machinations aimed at forcing it into major projects regardless of suitability, is a complete nightmare.

Meanwhile, Xlibre's dev "team"... said a few rude things and then set about fixing code. Really not comparable at all.

Hence why I call them niggers. The dev and cultist's behavior is niggerlicious, the protocol itself is not nearly as broken as people make it out to be. And the thing is, if they shoot themselves in the foot again like they did with X11, Metux and Vaxry (to a lesser extent by cutting out wlroots and other "main" wayland bits) have proven that people are willing and able to fork or distance their projects from the cult. They can kvetch day and night, as long as they are not allowed to entrench themselves as THE Linux display server the same way systemd did with init, we're peachy. Their yapping & fagass bans are just cruft.

 

[Creative Username]

You are way too smart to be making this argument. The NT kernel isn't based on DOS.

i said "descended from" because you can see tons of historical cruft everywhere if you look, despite it being completely rewritten architecturally. in fact the nt kernel being primarily used to run windows is a bit of a tragedy (just a bit though)

it would still have working windowing

maybe it does have working windowing, but it leaves a bit to be desired in many other aspects. just look at how much harder it is to do things like process-level sandboxing on windows, for instance, or the pain and grief that sometimes happens thanks to its case-insensitive file names
not only is it more free, it even mogs the fuck out of windows in a few areas
and it also indeed has working windowing, on either major display standard, with very little breakage

He is right though. Linux is based on the UNIX design, which is based on the idea that the faculty can only afford one computer and they need to share it between at most 32767 users. Nigga, your physical interface to your Linux kernel is still called a teletype.

i would rather trust a design tradition based on thousand-user mainframes for modern computing than a design tradition based on rendering word processor controls on a microcontroller with an entire 5 transistors on the die
unix uber alles, even microsoft realizes this because they have windows being maintained exclusively by pajeets doing shit like putting electron in the start menu while a few buckbroken guntguards cope that it's still better than using linux mint because they see a lot of fags arguing about systemd or whatever

 

[Curry Teafag]

Desktop users really don't need user ids and groups and file permissions etc.

If you stay away from networks, then yes. Otherwise, you do need all those things because everyone on the Internet, or even just your LAN, is a potential user.

 

[cigint]

If you stay away from networks, then yes. Otherwise, you do need all those things because everyone on the Internet, or even just your LAN, is a potential user.

I said desktop users instead of server operators specifically for this distinction.

For the average desktop user it is not their intended or preferred configuration that "everyone on the Internet" shall be a "potential user" of their desktop.

 

[Curry Teafag]

I said desktop users instead of server operators specifically for this distinction.

For the average desktop user it is not their intended or preferred configuration that "everyone on the Internet" shall be a "potential user" of their desktop.

It's not about usage, it's about security, so someone hacking your web browser doesn't easily gain admin rights.

 

[Angie Wormwood]

If you stay away from networks, then yes. Otherwise, you do need all those things because everyone on the Internet, or even just your LAN, is a potential user.

There's a number of reasons that there's multiple accounts on a machine, even with a sole human user.

Many applications create an account to run things as. This is not just for security separation. Security-adjacent it's for any services you may be running that do not or should not be running as root, for example. This is due to children inheritance of ownership and permission.

There's a reason why on a typical system user UIDs start at 1000. Even on something locked-down and stripped-down you'll still have at least a dozen other users present.