The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Bongocat]

 

[Frail Snail]

Really, Linux needs to be less user friendly. Every distribution should only boot to terminal on first install with a message saying "Fuck you noob, rtfm".

RTFM needs to be good first. The manuals are encyclopedic, so if you know precisely what you're looking for they're helpful. How do you get to that point without external resources though? There was an attempt with info pages, but an attempt is all it was. BSDs have great manuals (allegedly), meanwhile I'm stuck with hate, dread and eating shit in my Linux shed. At least you get used to the taste after enough trips to the man page.

 

[Look over there]

RTFM needs to be good first. The manuals are encyclopedic, so if you know precisely what you're looking for they're helpful. How do you get to that point without external resources though? There was an attempt with info pages, but an attempt is all it was. BSDs have great manuals (allegedly), meanwhile I'm stuck with hate, dread and eating shit in my Linux shed. At least you get used to the taste after enough trips to the man page.

Back when RTFM was first used, what they meant was read the man page. IE, need to know what nmap does? type man nmap and hit enter. Some man pages give you hardly anything to go on. Some are better. You kids don't know how easy you have it these days *shakes fist*.

I remember when the nmap man page used to have leetspeak in it. Little bit sad they cleaned it up.

 

[AnOminous]

Back when RTFM was first used, what they meant was read the man page. IE, need to know what nmap does? type man nmap and hit enter. Some man pages give you hardly anything to go on. Some are better. You kids don't know how easy you have it these days *shakes fist*.

man pages are great if you already know what you're doing and just forgot the flag for something. If you don't already, they are as opaque as the Voynich manuscript.

 

[Look over there]

man pages are great if you already know what you're doing and just forgot the flag for something. If you don't already, they are as opaque as the Voynich manuscript.

I know.

Everyone has the Internet these days though. Either there will be a tutorial somewhere, or you can try asking on a real Linux forum. The classic way to get people to give a shit enough to answer is say "Linux is shit because it can't X". Then you get neckbeards saying "Of course it can X you idiot, you do it like this".

Really I'm just grouchy that others haven't suffered like I have.

 

[AnOminous]

I know.

Everyone has the Internet these days though. Either there will be a tutorial somewhere, or you can try asking on a real Linux forum. The classic way to get people to give a shit enough to answer is say "Linux is shit because it can't X". Then you get neckbands saying "Of course it can X you idiot, you do it like this".

Really I'm just grouchy that others haven't suffered like I have.

The Internet is funny because you can often get an answer to a question faster by saying something completely wrong about it while being a dick than by politely asking.

 

[ditto]

The Arch wiki is more helpful then some of the neckbeardy and smug man pages (looking at you, top(1)).

I've seen so many awful Pajeet-run blogs

The absolutely worst tech resource is the Microsoft forums and their pseudo-pajeet bots spamming answers telling you to run sfc /scannow for literally every single problem.

 

[Kosher Dill]

The absolutely worst tech resource is the Microsoft forums and their pseudo-pajeet bots spamming answers

I still will never understand why they do it. It's like they're competing for some nonexistent prize.
Some people chalk it up to a sort of "compulsive participation" mentality among pajeets, but that theory only holds water to me when the audience is some sort of meaningful community like a workplace.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Has anyone tried installing Linux on an old Mac Mini?
I saved one of these Intel Core 2 Duo-based machines from the junk heap:
https://support.apple.com/kb/SP585
Too old to get a modern version of Mac OS, so I figured I'd try putting Linux on there.
According to this page, at least, it should pretty much just work with a regular Debian install image. Any idea if it's true? How about other distros?
https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel

 

[Look over there]

Has anyone tried installing Linux on an old Mac Mini?
I saved one of these Intel Core 2 Duo-based machines from the junk heap:
https://support.apple.com/kb/SP585
Too old to get a modern version of Mac OS, so I figured I'd try putting Linux on there.
According to this page, at least, it should pretty much just work with a regular Debian install image. Any idea if it's true? How about other distros?
https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel

What happens when you try to install it.

What error message do you get (exact wording)?

 

[Kosher Dill]

What happens when you try to install it.

What error message do you get (exact wording)?

I haven't tried it yet, was just wondering if it's worth trying or if I'd be wasting my time. I see a bunch of internet results about people 10 years ago banging their heads against the wall trying to get various distros working, but that was 10 years ago.

 

[Look over there]

I haven't tried it yet, was just wondering if it's worth trying or if I'd be wasting my time. I see a bunch of internet results about people 10 years ago banging their heads against the wall trying to get various distros working, but that was 10 years ago.

So you've never tried it, and you're complaining about some ten year old posts saying it doesn't work?

Are you fucking retarded?

Try it and get back to us you fucking mong

 

[AnOminous]

Has anyone tried installing Linux on an old Mac Mini?
I saved one of these Intel Core 2 Duo-based machines from the junk heap:
https://support.apple.com/kb/SP585
Too old to get a modern version of Mac OS, so I figured I'd try putting Linux on there.
According to this page, at least, it should pretty much just work with a regular Debian install image. Any idea if it's true? How about other distros?
https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel

I've never had any trouble installing any variety of Linux on a Mac, including the very first MacBook (an Intel Core 2 Duo itself). I used Peppermint Ice on that, a nice lightweight Lubuntu-derived distro that has unfortunately either been discontinued or isn't maintained very well (the full name of it is Peppermint Linux OS and "Ice" was a version name, the others were numbers).

I also installed Windows 10 on it, and embarrassingly (for Apple) its hardware was still supported far better by Microsoft than by Apple which has an unfortunate habit of discontinuing support for products far sooner than they actually stop working.

Another life-extender might be replacing the HDD with an SSD of the same size as the original, which should be pretty cheap and improve performance especially with an OS not specifically designed for limited hardware.

Although I will note the one issue I have had nearly every time is the Linux distro seriously disliking the touchpad or handling it badly such as by fucking up anything else you're trying to do even if you inadvertently hit it. Some distros have an actual setting for "disable touchpad while typing" but if you don't there's a nice little program called syndaemon that handles this for you, just install it and have this in your startup:

syndaemon -i 1 -t -K -R -d

 

[cybertoaster]

I've heard some really bad experiences with Radeon cards back in the days when you had to install their drivers off the official website like NVIDIA.

Gnome really, really wants to be the #1 MacOS imitator without all the things that make people tolerate Apple's glossy white trashcans and walled gardens. I'd say KDE is cheating a bit, since they maintain an already mature solution in the form of Qt. There's no need to bother with accessibility much because another team has already made tons of progress for you, as an example. I know they promise to keep their fork going if Qt continues to tighten the bolts on their license, but only time will tell whether they have the manpower to do so.

The default drivers worked fine, my dumbass thought gnome was shit because I wasnt using the official ones but those are worse and it was just gnome being shit as always because KDE didnt have any of these issues

As for Qt I didnt even know it was still a thing since symbian died, its KDE that dependent on it?

Telling noobs to RTFM only works if the M is easy to find, concise and up-to-date. In my experience, search results for Linux help will be two of these things at most.

I looked up a bug the other day, the results went all the way back to 2004 and it was still unresolved

 

[byuu]

GNU ruined manpages by putting most shit into fucking info pages.
And "man info" does not help you navigate info pages. It points you to "info info" for that. Thanks a lot.

 

[Frail Snail]

The default drivers worked fine, my dumbass thought gnome was shit because I wasnt using the official ones but those are worse and it was just gnome being shit as always because KDE didnt have any of these issues

As for Qt I didnt even know it was still a thing since symbian died, its KDE that dependent on it?

Qt is the base on which the entire KDE system is built on. They have a sweet contract protecting the GUI toolkit itself from corporate meddling and buyouts.

It's really popular for GUI development, especially lazy development because of PySide and the like. If you have a lot of graphical applications installed on Linux, chances are very high that you're pulling in both GTK and Qt libraries as dependencies.

 

[Ahriman]

Italian guy took the criticisms pretty well.

 

[nichtmeinName]

So I installed my first Distro.
I spent 2h Troubleshooting the Nvidia driver Install till I had the right Kernel and Nvidia Driver Version and my Screen stopped going black at random Intervalls.
Now Im wondering why the Key Combination for @ doesnt work even though I have the right Keyboard Layout.
Im not blaming Linux but Nvidia Cards arent Ideal for it if youre stuck with one.

 

[419]

Now Im wondering why the Key Combination for @ doesnt work even though I have the right Keyboard Layout.

If you use X as your display server you have to set your keyboard layout again separately to that on tty. If you need more elaboration, this should come in handy.

 

[nichtmeinName]

If you use X as your display server you have to set your keyboard layout again separately to that on tty. If you need more elaboration, this should come in handy.

Does this apply for Linux Mint?