The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
The biggest plus about Linux is that generally it just fucking works as long as you don't fuck about with it too much.
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The only time I start fucking around with anything is when I get an idea for how to tweak my system on a whim. It's nice having the cognitive load be hobbyist in nature rather than me having to put out fires.
 
Anti Snigger said:
The only time I start fucking around with anything is when I get an idea for how to tweak my system on a whim. It's nice having the cognitive load be hobbyist in nature rather than me having to put out fires.
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Seriously: dedicate a portable drive you have lying around as your hobbyist tinkerer testbed thingamajigger and leave your main daily driver install alone. Satisfies the itch to move fast and break things without needing to muck about with proper backups and system restores.
 
Dread First said:
Seriously: dedicate a portable drive you have lying around as your hobbyist tinkerer testbed thingamajigger and leave your main daily driver install alone. Satisfies the itch to move fast and break things without needing to muck about with proper backups and system restores.
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I always have a partition/drive for data, I got the 'breaking my system' itch out of my system a while ago.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
The moment the inexperienced Linux guy starts fucking about with it to 'optimise it' is when they start to eat shit and break things.
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I wanted to install Gnome 47 when it was still experimental on Ubuntu. It fucked up literally everything on my machine. Do not recommend.


 
Dread First said:
a portable drive
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I occasionally have trouble with USB drives. I have a strong preference for internals. I just add whole drives to LVM, save a fat system partition, EFI, etc. on the primary. But LVM makes it painless unless you're like me and rice your main rig with initrd-free init.
 
analrapist said:
I occasionally have trouble with USB drives. I have a strong preference for internals. I just add whole drives to LVM, save a fat system partition, EFI, etc. on the primary. But LVM makes it painless unless you're like me and rice your main rig with initrd-free init.
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Fair enough. If I had the skill of someone like Dedoimedo with a Lenovo G50 that has like eleventy bazillion partitions with a different Linux distro on it, I wouldn't muck about with portable drives. Sadly, EFI, GRUB, and partitioning terrify me in the GUID Partition Table era.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
The biggest plus about Linux is that generally it just fucking works as long as you don't fuck about with it too much.

Is LibreOffice a few packages out of date? Who fucking cares, it works.
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That's kinda the issue of stable Linux. The stability comes from older packages, or rather that the software packages are tied to system packages, so if you want to keep a stable base you end up with outdated packages, and all the solutions to the software packaging problem (AppImage/Flatpak/Snap) are either half-baked, not popular with software developers or outright shit. It's always the software ecosystem that's the biggest Achilles' heel. Maybe Fedora is similar to Windows in the sense that the base OS doesn't change much and is generally stable but all the software packages for the shit you actually use an OS for, so a web browser, office suite and so on, are kept up to date with their individual upstreams. Dunno, never played with Fedora much.
 
Dread First said:
Sadly, EFI, GRUB, and partitioning terrify me in the GUID Partition Table era.
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It still terrifies me without a GUI. I always have an Ubuntu USB with me whenever I install Linux just to partition a system's drive with GParted. Do NOT give me fdisk and mkfs, that shit is way too terrifying.
 
blackshirt said:
That's a good point but that was half the fun for me when I was just getting started. I guess this kind of mindset is going away though as more people just want to move away from windows and have something that works.
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On a new install it's fine to tinker and do whatever the fuck you want because you've got the installation disk at hand to help you out if you fuck up. Tinkering on a machine that you've been using as your main OS for years is genuine brainworms material.

Once you've got over the tinkering urge it's actually cathartic to know that you just have to run like four commands on a new install and you're back to square one. There's something wonderful about running 'apt-get install firefox filezilla deluge deadbeef steam" and going to grab a coffee while it does everything.
 
lol I just realized what the color theme for the terminal I was using is. Dark+. VS Code's Dark+. Found this repo that implements it in pure Vimscript like @analrapist mentioned. Tweaked it slightly for a darker background and I feel pretty happy with it.
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I don't know why but VS Code's color defaults are cozy. Guess all the 'jeets tried to make them as non-offensive as possible without deviating from the standard 16-color palettes and they succeeded. Similarly Microsoft's "Campbell" colors are a great softening of the classic harsh 16-color terminal palette. I vibe with those better than with all the Monokais or the Darculas, maybe because I prefer my terminal colors to stick closer to those 16-color definitions instead of getting all pastely.

EDIT: Yes I've noticed the ligatures and disabled them in the Terminal. Fucking hate those.
 
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Slav Power said:
Maybe Fedora is similar to Windows in the sense that the base OS doesn't change much and is generally stable but all the software packages for the shit you actually use an OS for, so a web browser, office suite and so on, are kept up to date with their individual upstreams. Dunno, never played with Fedora much.
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Funny you mention Fedora because I've sperged at length about it multiple times. TLDR: it's just "okay." Fedora is explicitly a hobbyist distro that functions as a literal testbed for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. When you use Fedora, you're using what effectively amounts to a Windows Preview every 6 months. What you see in Fedora is what Red Hat wants Linux to be like in the next 2-3 years depending on when the next RHEL release is due. Fedora tracks the latest versions of the kernel, Wayland, systemd, Mesa, etc but every release "freezes" the desktop environment. Any given release of Fedora's supported for approximately 12-13 months, so it has a fast turnover cycle. GNOME/KDE is the default, Wayland-only, but you do have options for community-built "spins" with alternative desktop environments like Cinnamon, Xfce, MATE, i3, Budgie, Cosmic, and so on.

Fedora damn sure ain't a normie distro in the slightest. Red Hat's beholden to US export law, software patents, and as a result, opts to minimise liability wherever possible. FFMPEG that ships with Fedora by default is deliberately gimped to avoid infringing on patented codecs, Fedora's version of Mesa is also gimped to avoid hardware codecs like VAAPI, VDPAU, etc. They work, but OBS will only ever stream/record in Software mode. You need to rely on RPM Fusion to get all the software that Fedora's repos can't legally ship or otherwise refuse to ship for liability reasons.This includes FOSS tools like FFMPEG (the full version, called ffmpeg-freeworld) and Mesa (also the full version; mesa-freeworld) alongside FOSS tools of murkey legality like libdvdcss, libbluray, libbdplus, and libaacs. NVIDIA binary drivers are also the domain of RPM Fusion, you must manually install them and blacklist Nouveau, and that same RPM Fusion non-free repository also has stuff like Steam and lpf-spotify-client (the Python script that converts Spotify.deb into Spotify.rpm).

If all of this sounds unappealing to any normal person, that's because all of this is grossly unappealing to most people. You'd only ever daily drive Fedora if you own bleeding edge hardware and can't be fucked to wait 2-3 years for the next Ubuntu LTS release to show up so that the Linux Mint team can finally update their shit. Either that or if you're a complete and total simp for Red Hat and Poetterware more broadly.
 
Dread First said:
If all of this sounds unappealing to any normal person, that's because all of this is grossly unappealing to most people. You'd only ever daily drive Fedora if you own bleeding edge hardware and can't be fucked to wait 2-3 years for the next Ubuntu LTS release to show up so that the Linux Mint team can finally update their shit. Either that or if you're a complete and total simp for Red Hat and Poetterware more broadly.
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It frankly amazes me how CERTAIN types in the linux community are a fan of fragmentation for the sake of fragmenation. Debian or Ubuntu is fine (one half of the Ubuntu pipeline IS debian under another skin), maybe Arch if you're really into tinkering for the sake of tinkering. Every few years I'll check the top few Linux distros and chuckle because another 7 have popped up that are fundementally no different to Debian or Ubuntu, bar a different desktop environment and some different default programs.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
Every few years I'll check the top few Linux distros and chuckle because another 7 have popped up that are fundementally no different to Debian or Ubuntu, bar a different desktop environment and some different default programs.
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I'm making my own new distro based on Mint where Nano is the default- and only-allowable text editor, no other changes made, I call it NanOS, by Hakase Shinonome. It'll be a fork of Mint, which is forked off Ubuntu, which is forked off Debian. It'll be entirely dependant off Mint, which is already dependant on Ubuntu which is already depedant on Debian which is already dependant on the Linux kernel. But you'll have the worst text editor, I think that's worth it.

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Hakase Shinonome said:
I'm making my own new distro based on Mint where Nano is the default- and only-allowable text editor, no other changes made, I call it NanOS, by Hakase Shinonome. It'll be a fork of Mint, which is forked off Ubuntu, which is forked off Debian. It'll be entirely dependant off Mint, which is already dependant on Ubuntu which is already depedant on Debian which is already dependant on the Linux kernel. But you'll have the worst text editor, I think that's worth it.

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That’s the gayest fucking weebshit distro concept I ever heard. Should be using sed and call the distro SedevacantOS as an LFS rebuild that rejects the Pope entirely post-Vatican II
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
It frankly amazes me how CERTAIN types in the linux community are a fan of fragmentation for the sake of fragmenation. Debian or Ubuntu is fine (one half of the Ubuntu pipeline IS debian under another skin), maybe Arch if you're really into tinkering for the sake of tinkering. Every few years I'll check the top few Linux distros and chuckle because another 7 have popped up that are fundementally no different to Debian or Ubuntu, bar a different desktop environment and some different default programs.
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MX is the only debian spin (other than devuan) that's really worth considering as an alternative, entirely because of the MX Tools. Just the tool that lets you turn your current install into a live USB has been a boon for me. It let me port my entire work environment onto a laptop so I can take it off on holiday and suffer without interruption, but it can also serve as a great way to do a system restore. It'd be great if the tools were available in baseline debian or devuan I suppose they kind of are, but it's a big part of MX's USP. Such is life.
 
teriyakiburns said:
MX is the only debian spin (other than devuan) that's really worth considering as an alternative, entirely because of the MX Tools. Just the tool that lets you turn your current install into a live USB has been a boon for me. It let me port my entire work environment onto a laptop so I can take it off on holiday and suffer without interruption, but it can also serve as a great way to do a system restore. It'd be great if the tools were available in baseline debian or devuan I suppose they kind of are, but it's a big part of MX's USP. Such is life.
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Debian minimal netinstall is actually pretty damn ace. Build your way up without relying on the fucking ugly ass defaults
 
nicco the kde dude stirred the hornets nest mentioning framework
ive read the shit people wanna cancel dhh for and im fully convinced its just sabotage by people that desperately want to pin the nazi label on literally everybody
just let the guy make fucking software. let framework support the linux and right to repair ecosystem
none of them have any political power so why do troons put so much emphasis on everyones fucking political beliefs of all things
dude will be like IM NOT A FAN OF THE CONSTANT IMMIGRATION RUINING BRITAIN and trannies will take that to mean HE WANTS TO GENOCIDE MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY HE HAS A GUN POINTED TO MY HEAD HES ABOUT TO FUCKING SHOOT ME OH GOD PLEASE HELP ME
 
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