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This might be paranoia talking, but would it be possible for Red Hat/Canonical to remove X11 support from GTK as well? I don't know enough about the various GUI toolkits to surmise whether that's a possible threat. Because it'd be another vector to extinguish after their embrace and expand that'd reach far, far farther than GNOME itself.
Totally unrelated, but only now do I realize that Lutris has a built-in dependency on gnome-desktop if installed via AUR. What fucking niggerware.
 
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Controlled Demolition said:
This might be paranoia talking, but would it be possible for Red Hat/Canonical to remove X11 support from GTK as well?
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GTK is developed by the GNOME Foundation who have already indicated that they plan to remove X11 support from future releases, starting with GTK5. However, currently the latest version of GTK is GTK4, but a lot of applications are still using GTK3 which is still receiving official support from GNOME in the form of bug fixes. Whenever GTK5 rolls around, a lot of applications probably won't move to it, and there would be literally negative reasons for them to remove X11 support from 3 and 4.

Also, your question is not merely evidence of paranoid schizophrenia, it is fucking retarded. Quit being schizophrenic about muh evil big open source coming to take your precious 30 year old software away. Lennart Poettering isn't hiding under your bed, plotting to take your OS away. In the world of genuine free software (which wayland, for all its faults, most certainly is), the only way that companies could pull off an Embrace Extend Extinguish is if literally not one single person gave a shit about the software they were trying to pull it on. One person is how many people it took to fork X into Xlibre and continue development, because that's how many people it takes to fork free software, because it's really not that hard. I don't know what fog has come over people's minds where they think these foundations are somehow all powerful and could hold the world at bay with a single blog post, as if every single one couldn't be unseated if literally one person gave enough of a shit to subject themselves to merging pull requests.
 
ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
-Say that im asking because these files are provided under GPL regardless of age,
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Excerpt from GPLv2:
3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it,under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:
[...]
b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
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I think you're not getting anything from Sony.
 
Zeftax said:
I bought some FSF merch, but I still use gmail (I plan on changing that over the holidays), so I feel a bit ashamed whenever I talk to the FSF folk.
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Apologies for going off-topic here, speaking of gmail, is there some easy way to download all your old emails from a gmail address for archival? Would just using some desktop email client app work?
I know this is a really dumb question and I could find the answer myself if I searched the webz, but I've been too lazy to do this over the last year or two and I figured a push in the right direction might get me to stop being lazy and take action.
 
long waters said:
Apologies for going off-topic here, speaking of gmail, is there some easy way to download all your old emails from a gmail address for archival? Would just using some desktop email client app work?
I know this is a really dumb question and I could find the answer myself if I searched the webz, but I've been too lazy to do this over the last year or two and I figured a push in the right direction might get me to stop being lazy and take action.
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Google Takeout lets you download all your google data including gmail.
 
Banana Hammock said:
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This just makes me wish Konqueror was still viable..

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File browser, web browser and document viewer all in one package.
 
long waters said:
Apologies for going off-topic here, speaking of gmail, is there some easy way to download all your old emails from a gmail address for archival? Would just using some desktop email client app work?
I know this is a really dumb question and I could find the answer myself if I searched the webz, but I've been too lazy to do this over the last year or two and I figured a push in the right direction might get me to stop being lazy and take action.
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If you're planning on switching to proton, they actually have a tool for that.

 
Akerman said:
This just makes me wish Konqueror was still viable..

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File browser, web browser and document viewer all in one package.
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I prefer the concept of Seamonkey or Vivaldi, where your web browser is also simultaneously an e-mail client, calendar and an RSS reader. It makes more sense to turn your web browser into an AIO web suite rather than trying to hamfist local file browsing functionality into it. File browsing is best left for file managers, and with file managers like Total Commander/Double Commander you can use Lister plugins to view a variety of file types. Well, one of the plugins I use is just an IrfanView wrapper, but still, it's fairly seamless.

It's not exactly Unix philosophy, but IMO if you're going to be combining multiple programs into one, at least make it a logical combination. I don't need a file manager in my web browser, but an e-mail client would be more than welcome.
August Levasseur said:
I don't know what fog has come over people's minds where they think these foundations are somehow all powerful and could hold the world at bay with a single blog post, as if every single one couldn't be unseated if literally one person gave enough of a shit to subject themselves to merging pull requests.
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Because at some point the FOSS ideology/cult starts to reject any and all common sense and logic when it comes to what FOSS really is: software. Code. Something structured, logical and practical that isn't restricted.

Hell, even proprietary software like Windows isn't as restricted as people make it out to be, yet it doesn't stop them from coming up with illogical conspiracy theories like "Windows 12 coming out in fall 2025 and being online only cloud OS" even though it goes against any and all logic and signs of what Microsoft is doing. Yes, people were predicting Windows 12 would be out by now. Why? Because they just assume Microsoft is pure evil so anything they imagine automatically becomes true. Does it make any sense for Microsoft to do so if Windows 11 isn't even 5 years old and they're doubling down on selling CoPilot+ machines that require an NPU to run AI locally? No, but why bother with logic and Occam's razor when you can make up the most comically evil shit and people will just believe it because everyone operates on emotions instead of logic?

It's one thing when we're talking about Microsoft where this trend was common for a long time. It's another when this emotional helplessness starts to affect the one thing that is the most resilient to corporate control that is the Linux desktop ecosystem. It's the real reason it's failing, people no longer care about writing good code or making sure that the ecosystem is healthy. It's all emotions and kneejerk reactions, Poettering is literally planted by Microsoft to destroy Linux from the inside out to ensure Windows dominance even though nothing's stopping anyone from coming up with a better distro that doesn't use Poetteringware in any capacity and still be a good experience like MX Linux. Just give up, shit yourself and do nothing but bitch and moan endlessly.
 
Controlled Demolition said:
This might be paranoia talking, but would it be possible for Red Hat/Canonical to remove X11 support from GTK as well? I don't know enough about the various GUI toolkits to surmise whether that's a possible threat. Because it'd be another vector to extinguish after their embrace and expand that'd reach far, far farther than GNOME itself.
Totally unrelated, but only now do I realize that Lutris has a built-in dependency on gnome-desktop if installed via AUR. What fucking niggerware.
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While it's plausible for GTK5 or GTK6 to remove X11 support, most apps are still using GTK3 and have no plans to upgrade, and GTK3 might get forked so it can be maintained indefinitely if there was an attempt to kill it.

Also I believe you can use Heroic Launcher instead of Lutris and it won't have that dependancy
 
Any o' y'all niggers burnt a cd any time recently? What are the options that don't suck? I... have not burnt an optical medium since leaving Windows, so that's going on ten years now. And audio CDs are a bit fussy. I want to burn a WAV/CUE combo.
 
Slav Power said:
I prefer the concept of Seamonkey or Vivaldi, where your web browser is also simultaneously an e-mail client, calendar and an RSS reader. It makes more sense to turn your web browser into an AIO web suite rather than trying to hamfist local file browsing functionality into it.
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At this point you might as well run emacs.
 
analrapist said:
Any o' y'all niggers burnt a cd any time recently? What are the options that don't suck? I... have not burnt an optical medium since leaving Windows, so that's going on ten years now. And audio CDs are a bit fussy. I want to burn a WAV/CUE combo.
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Xfburn ships on Fedora 43 Cinnamon and it looks pretty good. Haven't used it myself; always went with Brasero whenever the opportunity presented itself in the past. That said, I think the conventional wisdom of "burn the disc at the lowest speed possible" holds true. I no longer have 5.25" drives, i just have a manky old Blu-ray/DVD-RW drive that I watch weebshit out of. YMMV obviously, especially if you need a WAV/CUE combo for audio discs.
 
Slav Power said:
Yeah, and browse the web with Lynx.

Thunderbird is basically an entire separate Firefox web browser running alongside whichever web browser you're using, so it makes more sense to merge these together than to try and turn a web browser into a file manager.
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Or you can be white and have them both as separate programs.
 
WielkiWapiesz2137 said:
Or you can be white and have them both as separate programs.
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There is a reason why I utterly despise Electron based shitware. I live by with having Betterbird as a separate program just because there isn't a good alternative for it and I don't like Vivaldi's mail features all that much, but it's still a smart idea to have your mail client in your web browser. Web based mail frontends like Gmail or Protonmail are commonplace, so why not put an e-mail client into the browser itself?
 
Something that amuses me about emacs is that the legitimate criticisms of it that existed during the editor wars have been sanded down by time.
Using a hundred MB of memory is now a selling point instead of a detriment.
 
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