The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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Binary-Tyrant said:
If I install Xlibre right now on my main laptop that runs Debian Testing + Cinnamon, what do I gain? Refresh rate features and HDR if I buy a new monitor, I guess...?

Seems like a lot to lose with driver ABI mismatches, dependency bullshit and all, for very little gain.. X works and has always worked. I've been using Debian for 10+ years now, don't want to switch to some newfangled Archfag distro just to run a more maintained X.

But I might consider moving to Arch for xlibre if HDR really makes a difference on my monitor.
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HDR isn't supported on XLibre, would recommend holding off until the next release of XLibre anyway as that will fix a regression they made that caused pretty huge memory leaks.
 
Madison Grant said:
But will Wayland autism snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
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people just moving over from windows don't have the strain of autism that would make them care. At least not until they actually use it long enough to know what any of that is.

Binary-Tyrant said:
Refresh rate features and HDR if I buy a new monitor, I guess...?
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no wayland is what you would want to use if you care about that. Xlibre is just xorg that isn't unmaintained basically.

At some point it will hopefully be more than that. But as of now, that's basically what you get for your trouble. At least on distros outside of debian, it's pretty much as easy as installing a normal package. So it's not a big deal to move over. Well, arch, gentoo, and artix at least. Not sure about some of the others.
 
Binary-Tyrant said:
If I install Xlibre right now on my main laptop that runs Debian Testing + Cinnamon, what do I gain? Refresh rate features and HDR if I buy a new monitor, I guess...?

Seems like a lot to lose with driver ABI mismatches, dependency bullshit and all, for very little gain.. X works and has always worked. I've been using Debian for 10+ years now, don't want to switch to some newfangled Archfag distro just to run a more maintained X.

But I might consider moving to Arch for xlibre if HDR really makes a difference on my monitor.
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X has been essentially unmaintained for a decade or more in the mainline. This is because its maintainers (freedesktop.org) are the same people who developed the Wayland protocol and regard X as massively outdated bloatware. The whole reason Xlibre exists is because of one guy who essentially didn’t get the memo that freedesktop didn’t want X to keep going, and so eventually got fed up with them not approving his commits and forked it.
As seen already with the FreeBSD memory leak, part of the reason that X “just works” is that the codebase hasn’t changed enough to break anything in a long, long time, and now that Xlibre is changing things, things will start to break. This is simply the nature of software development.
 
Madison Grant said:
But will Wayland autism snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
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since ur asking if normies will hate gayland, from what ive seen were now at the point of the adoption process where new users that have been exposed to linux are using wayland by default and they don't understand why people prefer xorg
 
wafflesies said:
since ur asking if normies will hate gayland, from what ive seen were now at the point of the adoption process where new users that have been exposed to linux are using wayland by default and they don't understand why people prefer xorg
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If people are seriously promoting Niri and leaving out the part that it's alpha software (which they always do) I doubt common sense will prevail.
 
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ZorinOS, Linux Mint, Bazzite, Pop_OS, Fedora.

Either way, looks like 2026 is (finally) the year of Linux desktop.
 

I've never thought the argument that there are too many distros to pick from, for new people coming to linux was a good argument. There Are some things you could say are negatives about that as far how it effects some things on linux as a whole. But as far as how it should effect the end user directly, it just seemed like something that gets repeated without any real thought on why it's actually something to complain about.

I think what he says at 15:50, is probably the best explanation I've heard on why it really isn't a big deal.




Oh man. Lunduke is literally just making stories on things he imagined at this point. crazy.
 
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prollyanotherlurker said:
I've never thought the argument that there are too many distros to pick from, for new people coming to linux was a good argument. There Are some things you could say are negatives about that as far how it effects some things on linux as a whole. But as far as how it should effect the end user directly, it just seemed like something that gets repeated without any real thought on why it's actually something to complain about.
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Goycattle cannot comprehend the concept of choice. They want to be told what to do, hence why hand-hold distros like Zorin, Mint and Catchy are so popular, the average "non-technical user" expects to be given an axiomatic way of doing things that they don't have to think about or question. It has less to do with technical capability than the way normalniggers are programmed to have some kind of law to abide by, without having to give too much effort, of course.

Note: There is nothing wrong with Zorin, Catchy or Mint themselves, the problem lies in people allergic to "tinkering" (read: having to use computers).
 
Ferryman said:
the problem lies in people allergic to "tinkering".
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That's not a problem, that's just the nature of humanity.
People who want to just use a computer without tinkering are no different from those who want to just drive a car (without becoming a mechanic), just want to eat (without becoming a chef) or just want to live in a house (without becoming a structural engineer).
It's not the 1970's anymore.
 
Vesperus said:
It's not the 1970's anymore.
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Looking at what the world has become since. It's really a shame it isn't the 70's. Nothing is repairable. Everything is plastic and shit quality. Cars can be remotely disabled, and need a special tool that can hook into the computer system to do some repairs, new build houses in america are worse than they've ever been as far as build quality (in a lot of cases), hollow cardboard doors, and low quality shit parts for everything.

I see it as a failing of society, not society moving forward. It hasn't made life more livable really. Looking at how affordable it was to live, get a home and car, and everything someone would want to strive for, vs now. Now what we have are "conveniences", not quality of life improvements in any sense that matters. And a society that values convenience above everything else I don't think will be sustainable.
 
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Vesperus said:
That's not a problem, that's just the nature of humanity.
People who want to just use a computer without tinkering are no different from those who want to just drive a car (without becoming a mechanic), just want to eat (without becoming a chef) or just want to live in a house (without becoming a structural engineer).
It's not the 1970's anymore.
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Its less than that. You don't need to be a mathematician to solve an equation, but you do need to know basic math. People want to press a button to get a solution. The same applies to Linux. You don't need to be a programmer to use it, but you should be required to learn how your system works at least in passing. Learn what a filesystem is, what a terminal is and how to run sudo apt update, then others things if you are so inclined. Giving people ready made solutions to every issue just makes them more retarded and reliant on "THE BUTTON" o algo
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
I've never thought the argument that there are too many distros to pick from, for new people coming to linux was a good argument.
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It never comes from good faith because there's no real reason provided why it's bad. It should be easy to figure out why one opinion (distro) overlaps the other without being the main reason one accepted or rejected a flavor of Linux.
 
Ferryman said:
Goycattle cannot comprehend the concept of choice. They want to be told what to do, hence why hand-hold distros like Zorin, Mint and Catchy are so popular, the average "non-technical user" expects to be given an axiomatic way of doing things that they don't have to think about or question. It has less to do with technical capability than the way normalniggers are programmed to have some kind of law to abide by, without having to give too much effort, of course.

Note: There is nothing wrong with Zorin, Catchy or Mint themselves, the problem lies in people allergic to "tinkering" (read: having to use computers).
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Choice is not necessarily good, though.

Getting productive work done on a single task in a GUI environment? Apple System/Mac OS 7.5-8.6 was the perfect tool for that. And even in a cooperative multitasking environment, you could customize all sorts of things to your heart's content. And UIs from that time period, if not before, from CDE to classic Mac OS/System to even Windows 3.1 and 95 already demonstrated every aspect of GUI interface design that is most efficient. NeXT implemented a Display Postscript based rendering system a decade before Jobs brought Display PDF to Mac OS X after he returned.

Yes, there is some room for preference. For example, I understand why mentally subnormal people don't like global menus, they don't think of the menus as primarily something to be accessed via keyboard and thus properly positioned outside the area of actual application windows. But all the general precepts of UI design are known, and KDE and to a lesser extent Gnome got them right possibly more than any other GUI ever (NeXTStep and Classic Mac OS were more visually pleasing, but the window titlebar controls were not as practical as full width squared titlebars) in earlier versions, before the Gnome team decided their typical user was someone masturbating one handed on a touch screen device with heaps of real estate (but how is the tablet being held up) and both succumbed to Wayland-poisoning.

A new Linux user will be perfectly fine using either XFCE or Cinnamon, as both are essentially just KDE 2 throwbacks.
 
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