The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

SCV said:
Since no one answered you that I saw I've been using XFCE for some time and have been happy with it.
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Xfce saved my ass on old Acer netbooks with an Intel Atom and 1GB of RAM way back when. It's such a shame that it's so horrifically ugly and basically no one outside of the Mint and MX teams polish it up enough to be aesthetically pleasing. Then again, I was a GNOME 2.32 -> MATE lad once upon a time. First impressions last a lifetime, I guess.
 
gpg said:
Rust doing its magic!

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Canonical never fails to shoot in its own foot. Shipping desktop distro riddled with troonware (GNOME + Rust based coreutils), replacing established and properly working components while also increasing memory requirements is just what they needed.

I hate to say it cause I fucking hate openSUSE contributors but openSUSE Leap and its commercially supported counterpart are objectively better experience than this piece of shit both on server and desktop side.
 
Dr. Franjo said:
Canonical never fails to shoot in its own foot. Shipping desktop distro riddled with troonware (GNOME + Rust based coreutils), replacing established and properly working components while also increasing memory requirements is just what they needed.

I hate to say it cause I fucking hate openSUSE contributors but openSUSE Leap and its commercially supported counterpart are objectively better experience than this piece of shit both on server and desktop side.
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Today I will remind them
 
acid_ra1n said:
Today I will remind them
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Great video honestly

I fully stand corrected on desktop part. Both Canonical and SUSE are competing for title of which one will have shittier experience for end user and I made first comment in good faith because my work still runs SLED and SLES 15.7 on work machines (both my workstations and good chunk of servers run it) and I never had huge issues with it. We don't touch newer versions of RHEL/SLES until its 2 or 3 minor versions in.

I am not surprised with terrible experience she had on 16 because SUSE devs being retarded that they are have to rape their users in most retarded ways which includes forcing Wayland everywhere (Entire Xfce thing reeks of devs being on adderall forcing their agenda) and deprecation of YaST (which was one of most retarded things they have ever done) has been signaled since 2021 because nobody wanted to maintain Ruby codebase and it was stuck on QT5 and nobody wanted to move it onto newer version.

My kernel level hatred of Ubuntu started with 16.04 with their Unity shit and Amazon and kept getting worse as time went on with snap, netplan, unattended-updates, Ubuntu Pro and other shit. I hoped at least SUSE would be immune to this shit but it seems it isn't the case and its pity because it used to be a phenomenal distro for anything that had to be reliable and now they're just slowly turning into retarded RHEL knockoff (if I wanted to use RHEL, I'd use Rocky Linux).

Glory to great and truly free Gentoo and I hope Wayland troons suffer slow and painful death because they deserve it for regressing Linux experience as Andrea demonstrated with SUSE 16
 
Telvanni said:
Outside of that or KDE, what's the DE of choice around this parts?
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I'm new here, but I always go with XFCE for DE. Minor nitpick: I hate distros which remove the mascot from the default wallpapers.

I strongly prefer using Openbox for most sessions than a DE of any kind.

While I never understood the love affair some people have with MATE, the lead guy stepped down recently, FWIW, so use XFCE instead. :)

Oh, and fuck Wayland. YaST was the shit, but as with anything which just works, someone has to go and fuck it up.
 
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thirstytux said:
I'm new here, but I always go with XFCE for DE. Minor nitpick: I hate distros which remove the mascot from the default wallpapers.

I strongly prefer using Openbox for most sessions than a DE of any kind.

While I never understood the love affair some people have with MATE, the lead guy stepped down recently, FWIW, so use XFCE instead. :)

Oh, and fuck Wayland. YaST was the shit, but as with anything which just works, someone has to go and fuck it up.
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Yeah, I'll do xfce again if need be.
KDE CachyOS right now but if shit turns for the worse, there's always Artix.
 
acid_ra1n said:
Today I will remind them
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Dr. Franjo said:
Great video honestly

I fully stand corrected on desktop part. Both Canonical and SUSE are competing for title of which one will have shittier experience for end user and I made first comment in good faith because my work still runs SLED and SLES 15.7 on work machines (both my workstations and good chunk of servers run it) and I never had huge issues with it. We don't touch newer versions of RHEL/SLES until its 2 or 3 minor versions in.

I am not surprised with terrible experience she had on 16 because SUSE devs being retarded that they are have to rape their users in most retarded ways which includes forcing Wayland everywhere (Entire Xfce thing reeks of devs being on adderall forcing their agenda) and deprecation of YaST (which was one of most retarded things they have ever done) has been signaled since 2021 because nobody wanted to maintain Ruby codebase and it was stuck on QT5 and nobody wanted to move it onto newer version.

My kernel level hatred of Ubuntu started with 16.04 with their Unity shit and Amazon and kept getting worse as time went on with snap, netplan, unattended-updates, Ubuntu Pro and other shit. I hoped at least SUSE would be immune to this shit but it seems it isn't the case and its pity because it used to be a phenomenal distro for anything that had to be reliable and now they're just slowly turning into retarded RHEL knockoff (if I wanted to use RHEL, I'd use Rocky Linux).

Glory to great and truly free Gentoo and I hope Wayland troons suffer slow and painful death because they deserve it for regressing Linux experience as Andrea demonstrated with SUSE 16
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Y'know... I could actually respect OpenSUSE despite the inevitable atrophy because it was an RPM-centric distro that utilised AppArmor and ufw, which is borderline unheard of considering how joined at the hip RPM is to the Red Hat ecosystem more broadly. But no, the faggots at Software und System Entwicklung decided to bend the knee and swap over to SELinux and Firewalld. Wow, SUSE. Way to kill off the most meaningful marketplace differentiator you had ever since you decided to allow YaST to go tits-up.
 
Sperg_rancher said:
Does anyone know why there is no serious pushback in the biggest projects? Nobody questions whether they should merge the PR, its always the BS like "well yes there is a privacy concern, but you could improve your if statement on 192, so if you fix that's its good to merge".. Its like the contributors font have the higher faculties to consider anything above how the code is implemented. Why?
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Many of these people are either employed to contribute this stuff, or are stupid enough to use their real identity when contributing. Nobody wants to lose their jobs.
 
Dread First said:
bend the knee and swap over to SELinux and Firewalld
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I was personally fine with firewalld and AppArmor, rich rules of firewalld are incredibly flexible if you just need it for server usage otherwise nftables all the way through. SELinux can suck a fat fucking dick though, that piece of shit caused me so many headaches and I wished so many times to disable it.

I might be sperging here but I fucking hate RHEL and how retarded some of their fixes are, we had security software that was querying dnf for part of its functionality and usually dnf decided to be retarded and start memory leaking which would crash both package manager and agent. Retarded niggercattle at Red Hat said the fix was basically to wait for RHEL 11 with DNF 5 and meanwhile to try wrap it around some script that spits out CSV file.

I wish I could personally swap all of this shit with OpenVMS and Solaris and go on with my day cause that shit worked and still works in places where it's deployed.
 
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Telvanni said:
Yeah, I use an Nvidia.
Outside of that or KDE, what's the DE of choice around this parts?
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SCV said:
Since no one answered you that I saw I've been using XFCE for some time and have been happy with it.
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thirstytux said:
I'm new here, but I always go with XFCE for DE. Minor nitpick: I hate distros which remove the mascot from the default wallpapers.
I strongly prefer using Openbox for most sessions than a DE of any kind.
While I never understood the love affair some people have with MATE, the lead guy stepped down recently, FWIW, so use XFCE instead. :)
Oh, and fuck Wayland. YaST was the shit, but as with anything which just works, someone has to go and fuck it up.
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I'm content to stay on Fedora 43 Cinnamon because it's a comfortable equilibrium for me while still retaining Xorg. Having said that, if anyone's legitimately curious about what the Artix Community GTK version looks like, I've taken the liberty of setting up a QEMU VM to take screenshots with. ATTN: I'm actively using the "testing" ISOs that are built directly with XLibre instead of Xorg. I do not know if the Community Qt spin ships with Sonic-DE over KWin, and I don't care enough to test because Plasma 6 fucking sucks even under Xorg.

Right out the gate, it boots into an Xfce live environment, Do note that this isn't the only option available; post-install, MATE is also available.

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I'm now gonna go through all the applications that they have right out the gate, sorted by category:

ACCESSORIES
- Application Finder
- Bulk Rename
- Caja
- Clipboard Manager
- Engrampa Archive Manager
- Leafpad
- MATE Font Viewer
- Modem Manager GUI
- Mousepad
- Redshift
- R-Linux
- Screenshot
- Sensor Viewer
- Smb4K
- Task Manager
- Thunar File Manager
- Vim
- Winetricks
- Xfburn

DEVELOPMENT
- FLUID (FLTK GUI Designer)
- Geany
- Meld
- Qt Assistant
- Qt D-Bus Viewer
- Qt Linguist
- Qt Widgets Designer

EDUCATION
- LibreOffice Math

GAMES
- Dosbox
- Lutris
- Steam

GRAPHICS
- digiKam
- Eye of MATE Image Viewer
- GNU Image Manipulation Program
- Inkscape
- LibreOffice Draw
- MComix
- Ristretto Image Viewer
- Scribus
- showFoto

INTERNET
- Avahi SSH Server Browser
- Avahi VNC Server Browser
- Claws Mail
- HexChat
- Modem Manager GUI
- Steam
- Telegram
- Thunderbird
- TigerVNC
- Transmission
- Waterfox
- Web

MULTIMEDIA
- Aegisub
- Brasero
- guvcview
- HandBrake
- Kdenlive
- Kodi
- OSD Lyrics
- Parole Media Player
- Pragha
- projectM PulseAudio Visualization
- Qt V4L2 test Utility
- Qt V4L2 video capture utility
- Sneedacity
- SongRec
- Subtitle Editor
- Volume Control (I think this is pavucontrol?)
- Xfburn

OFFICE
- Atril Document Viewer
- Dictionary
- LibreOffice Base
- LibreOffice
- LibreOffice Calc
- LibreOffice Draw
- LibreOffice Impress
- LibreOffice Math
- LibreOffice Writer

SCIENCE
- LibreOffice Writer

SETTINGS
- Accessibility
- Add/Remove Software
- Appearance
- Bluetooth Adapters
- Bluetooth Manager
- Clipboard Manager
- Color Profiles
- Connman Settings
- Default Applications
- Desktop
- Display
- Firewall Configuration
- Keyboard
- Manage Printing
- Mouse and Touchpad
- Notification
- Panel
- Power Manager
- Qt6 Settings
- Removable Drives and Media
- Session and Startup
- Settings Editor
- Settings Manager
- Thunar Preferences
- Volume Control
- Window Manager
- Window Manager Tweaks
- Workspaces
- Xfce Screensaver

SYSTEM
- Add/Remove Software
- Avahi Zeroconf Browser
- Caja
- dconf Editor
- FS-UAE Launcher
- GParted
- Hardware Locality Istopo
- Install Artix (Calamares is the installer JFYI)
- Manage Printing
- MATE Terminal
- Modem Manager GUI
- R-Linux
- Sensor viewer
- Task Manager
- Thunar File Manager
- Timeshift
- VeraCrypt
- Xfce Terminal

If you're ever gonna install Artix, make damn sure you save the OpenRC, Troubleshooting, and the Configuration PDFs saved elsewhere. Those PDFs will save your ass whenever the wrinkles from not living with systemd pops up. Not to mention the obscure realities of living with an Arch variant that makes significant alterations downstream. Installation screenshots as below:

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The install slideshow (install went too fast; didn't get them all; it definitely feels like a "classic" Linux distro from the halcyon days of like... 2006-2013ish)

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EDIT: Thanks @SCV for the screenshots I missed!

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Alright, now we boot into the install environment! The live environment defaults to Xfce, but first boot defaults to MATE in my case.

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Logging into the MATE session and it's... it's not "bad" but it's horrifically ugly. I know that I have the leeway to tweak the MATE session to my liking if I so desire, but right out the gate? It feels like Linux Mint MATE but without anything that sparked joy there (i.e. mintMenu). The Xfce session is, however, very pretty. I still don't like it because Xfce is a desktop environment that's never my first choice. But if I had to use it and there are no better options present, I can certainly live with it.

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I should also point out that QEMU takes fucking forever to do anything on my machine; I think I goofed somewhere with setting up the VM, but I was looking for screenshots to share. On bare metal, Artix is 100% excellent and sparks joy on its own merits. It's just... eh, Artix Cinnamon just "feels" more natural compared to Artix MATE, Artix Xfce looks really nice, but I just don't like Xfce as a DE. It's usable, it's functional, it does what I need it to do, but I just don't like it.
 
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Dread First said:
digiKam
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I haven't used it in some time, but I like it. How is digiKam for grouping photos based on image recognition? I hate to say it, as I use very little proprietary software, but I continue to use Google's discontinued Picasa program for Linux (not a true port though, they used WINE) for finding and grouping photos based on its skillful image recognition scanning. I'd gladly switch to something that is FOSS.

I notice you use HexChat. Have they found a new maintainer?
 
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Waff said:
miss when wms were popular. there was so much of a variety when it came to desktop customization especially when some mf decided on using fvwm.
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are twms not popular anymore? ive browsed through some new user linux spaces and people are starting with quickshell and hyprland and niri and all sorts of other stuff
Dread First said:
Logging into the MATE session and it's... it's not "bad" but it's horrifically ugly. I know that I have the leeway to tweak the MATE session to my liking if I so desire, but right out the gate? I
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the artix kde theme had people asking me if i was using an older desktop. i had some issues getting a different theme but i ended up doing it by deleting the gtk folders from .config and installing the dracula theme. i really think artix should just not rice things out of the box and let the users decide since these themes feel super dated, but if you start with a minimal install and do it the arch way like with sonicde you'll get a normal unriced desktop sddm and grub.
 
Dread First said:
Only because the installer zipped through and my screenshot tool was too slow! :(
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I know. I screen recorded an install on a VM to get those. It was just such a complete work up I couldn't have those two slides get left out.

Nothing says wholesome late 00's software like The Matrix, V for Vendetta, and a 3d-cube-desktop-switcher thing. Warms my cold dead heart.

Edit: Seriously. Do you remember when "the red pill" wasn't a political phrase? When it was still EFG and not "Anonymous"? Everything so shit now.
 
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