The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[spastic_bag]

I feel like dipping my widdle toesies into Linux because, as a nerd and a webshit, it's just something I feel like I have to do. But it's just such a major pain.

Oh, you want to do this? Neat, just click here and here. You need that? Click that. You need something else, OK, first open the terminal then sudo rm -rf -sdf -tr-dsf -g sudo sdf -dsf -fgh -fgh -dfg -er -xcv sudo iuyhf -dfg -4saf then recompile the entire kernel, easy peasy.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

That default wallpaper is terrifying, like it's staring into my very soul.

One thing that always irks me is how gay the default wallpapers for distros are. How hard is "make a two-color gradient, with maybe some lightly-colored lines and maybe your distro's logo in the corner somewhere"?

I mean for real, how did the Ubuntu Hirsute wallpaper even get into the release? Was there literally nobody on Ubuntu's QA team that pointed out that the hippo looks like a hairy ballsack?

 

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as a nerd and a webshit

OK, first open the terminal then sudo rm -rf -sdf -tr-dsf -g sudo sdf -dsf -fgh -fgh -dfg -er -xcv sudo iuyhf -dfg -4saf then recompile the entire kernel, easy peasy.

I'd be surprised if anyone could still make this same tired neurotic exaggeration without being a webtranny, to be fair.

 

[milk]

i used linux for making, proxy servers, vpns, email, webservers, etc. But i still prefer windows for my desktop.

 

[Stoneheart]

so what linux distro is the best for my anal usb stick?

 

[AnOminous]

so what linux distro is the best for my anal usb stick?

Install Gentoo!

 

[Car Won't Crank]

One thing that always irks me is how gay the default wallpapers for distros are. How hard is "make a two-color gradient, with maybe some lightly-colored lines and maybe your distro's logo in the corner somewhere"?

I mean for real, how did the Ubuntu Hirsute wallpaper even get into the release? Was there literally nobody on Ubuntu's QA team that pointed out that the hippo looks like a hairy ballsack?
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I thought the same thing at that distro's default wallpaper. What a sight it was to boot into a pair of hairy balls looking back at me. I reckon the QA team and/or artist behind this must have been a hairy troon or someone deep into the hirsutism fetish.

 

[Stoneheart]

Install Gentoo!

is that anime? i will not store anime in my ass!---

 

[AmpleApricots]

Oh, you want to do this? Neat, just click here and here. You need that? Click that. You need something else, OK, first open the terminal then sudo rm -rf -sdf -tr-dsf -g sudo sdf -dsf -fgh -fgh -dfg -er -xcv sudo iuyhf -dfg -4saf then recompile the entire kernel, easy peasy.

very apt username/post combo

I honestly don't really know how people can stand Windows. When I had it installed by default on that Cherry Trail Tablet I talked earlier in this thread about, I literally had no idea why it didn't work correctly and windows was of no help whatsoever. In fact it'd even get in my way with "problem solving" that wasn't really solving anything, being very aggressive about upselling me a "free" (no such thing) Microsoft account to the point of disabling basic OS features and having me circumvent it and generally just being a heap of bloaty, laggy and unhelpful trash that literally couldn't install anymore updates because the drive was full (without anything indicating or figuring out automatically why it couldn't install anymore updates - surely the finest pajeets at microsoft HQ figured out there could be a state where the HDD is too full for updates?!) culminating with the piece of information I should install a newer Windows version because that particular 10 was EoL which would've essentially made me brick the tablet would I have blindly listened because the idiot fucker manufacturer of the tablet uses a i2c touchscreen chip that has the firmware embedded in the windows driver you can download exactly nowhere. (of course I had imaged the Windows partition and then extracted the firmware from that image for my Linux install, not my first rodeo with windows after all - funnily I couldn't have even made a backup of that firmware from inside that windows because windows literally would not let me) None of this is simpler than Linux, it just basically obfuscates the complexity beyond of layers of "Access denied for your own safety", "Windows has encountered a problem", "Sorry for the bluescreen" and "Everything's fucked, just reinstall dude" kind of automated messages that just make you feel things are easier when they really aren't.

Yes Linux spewed a bunch of scary red dmesg error messages at me and didn't even know how to initialize the wlan chip by default but at least none of that was hidden from me and I had full access to all aspects I needed to fix the problem and also knew how to fix the problem because I learned to, because Linux never hid things from me in the interest of an corporation who profits if you don't know things. Took me all of an afternoon to get the tablet up and running complete with working touchscreen.

Spoiler: Atoms

I'm at this point really surprised the Atom wasn't more successful. I played around a lot with ARM and this thing is on the level of the more powerful ARM chips while even consuming significantly less power than them. From googling I guess people just expected to get the full x86 desktop experience which this tiny chip can't fully deliver. It's also wonderfully supported in Linux with all the features, something you can't really say for most ARM SoCs. With a big USB power bank you could easily get almost a week of normal light desktop usage out of this thing, that's how little power it sips.

 

[Frail Snail]

I feel like dipping my widdle toesies into Linux because, as a nerd and a webshit, it's just something I feel like I have to do. But it's just such a major pain.

A modern Linux install is about as nerdy as the Big Bang Theory. If you feel like doing something that's a major pain just to get Internet cred or impress your webshitting friends, try being less of a fag.

Things that are about as complicated as a full distro rice which you can do without leaving the comfort of the OS you're used to:

• Manual re-assembly of a Windows 10 install image similar to Ameliorated, cutting everything out yourself and bypassing the need to trust third party packagers.
• Using a Mac without a thirst for cock.

 

[spastic_bag]

• Using a Mac without a thirst for cock.

or with, don't judge me

 

[The Ugly One]

Yeah this was generally IT's problem, since we need to be locked down hard. It's not a problem of losing millions of dollars as an enterprise customer problem it's more like we don't want to be vulnerable to Russians deciding to take our servers for a joyride.

But as it turns out we get RHEL for free, so whatever.

I know of a certain customer who had entire factories shut down for a couple weeks from a software update gone bad.

This sort of thing also happens:
Customer wants to update to from RHEL 7.3 to RHEL 8.4. But RHEL 8.4 has a new version of gaynerd_daemon, which exposes a bug in ProjectShare 3.3, which every engineer in the company uses, that makes it just flat out not work. Unfortunately, ProjectShare 4.x has a showstopping security vulnerability that won't be fixed until next release. So they don't update for a while yet. With rolling releases, they come into the office one day, and ProjectShare is broken, and nobody can do any work.

]I'm at this point really surprised the Atom wasn't more successful. I played around a lot with ARM and this thing is on the level of the more powerful ARM chips while even consuming significantly less power than them. From googling I guess people just expected to get the full x86 desktop experience which this tiny chip can't fully deliver. It's also wonderfully supported in Linux with all the features, something you can't really say for most ARM SoCs. With a big USB power bank you could easily get almost a week of normal light desktop usage out of this thing, that's how little power it sips.

Atom needed to succeed in mobile, where ARM's processors absolutely killed it in power/performance. Plus, ARM licenses its core design out, so the ability of companies like Samsung and Apple to vertically integrate using ARM-based designs was intrinsically attractive to them. Then Intel got stuck on 14 nm, and since in mobile, power consumption is king, that was the end of that.

 

[GoysGoneWild]

Void would be absolute perfection but they refuse to package Brave. Fucking Firecucks I swear.

Artix though has been a damn fine replacement and I am happy to see more people recommending it. runit is fast as fuck.

 

[WeWuzFinns]

One thing that always irks me is how gay the default wallpapers for distros are. How hard is "make a two-color gradient, with maybe some lightly-colored lines and maybe your distro's logo in the corner somewhere"?

I mean for real, how did the Ubuntu Hirsute wallpaper even get into the release? Was there literally nobody on Ubuntu's QA team that pointed out that the hippo looks like a hairy ballsack?
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Looks like two pairs of tits.

 

[ditto]

Then the ARM SoCs are also often poorly supported and need proprietary blobs which might or might not work with recent kernels.

I don't get the fascination with ARM for Linux enthusiasts. There are heaps of cheap Core and Atom based systems that can be saved from scrap. Well supported hardware that can run a stock kernel without blobs ARM SOCs are proprietary as hell and seem to only last a few months if you are using them constantly.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

I honestly don't really know how people can stand Windows.

I think there's a good dose of Stockholm syndrome too. I speak from personal experience that I only recently realized I had: at work I use both Windows and Linux, and there are, of course, issues on both. However, the other day I caught myself only ever bitching about the Linux issues. I was legitimately pissed off at an apt error that mildly inconvenienced me for only the 2 or so minutes it took to google the problem and apply the fix. Meanwhile, I'd spent the prior half-hour wrestling with some wireless issues on the Windows host (turns out Windows has a habit of 'getting confused' about VirtualBox's bridge network adapters and will sometimes forget how to Internet), and then fucking around trying to get Slack back open, because that gets screwy when the internet connectivity is screwy.

The point? I wasn't even pissed off at the Windows shit; until I caught myself, they didn't even register as problems so much as "Eh, this is what I do on Windows". I was more pissed off at the 2-minute Linux problem that I could solve easily and permanently because Linux lets me get in to the core of the system and tinker, than I was with the Windows problem where the solution was "Just delete the bridge adapters and hope for the best, and keep restarting Slack until it decides to work, and next time this shit happens (because there will be a next time because I don't even understand the problem, much less my 'solution') just do this process again if it 'works'."

I wonder how many other people are just discounting Windows issues in a similar way. Linux sucks because it wants me to play with the command line a little bit when shit doesn't automatically work out-of-the-box. But when I have to spend 20 minutes fucking around trying to install a graphics driver on Windows, "Eh, that's just the way it goes. Computers, amirite? Just keep rebooting until it loads up normal."

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't get the fascination with ARM for Linux enthusiasts. There are heaps of cheap Core and Atom based systems that can be saved from scrap. Well supported hardware that can run a stock kernel without blobs ARM SOCs are proprietary as hell and seem to only last a few months if you are using them constantly.

There are some pretty powerful ARM server chips out now. The Amazon Graviton and Ampere Altra series are both really good.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

(Proper) Linux on Chromebooks is an even worse crapshoot, considering the lengths hardware engineers for the platform go to jail the entire hardware and driver configurations so that most distributions can't work the audio or in some cases, put a sieve in the battery life.

It seems like generally if you try to run any non-stock firmware on a Chromebook, it just goes downhill quickly.

Apparently this works.

🔷 Breath

I don't get the fascination with ARM for Linux enthusiasts. There are heaps of cheap Core and Atom based systems that can be saved from scrap. Well supported hardware that can run a stock kernel without blobs ARM SOCs are proprietary as hell and seem to only last a few months if you are using them constantly.

The x5 series atoms sucked. They lacked some core features like proper standby. The Avoton processors were pretty nice but one range had a physical defect that drastically limited the life of the processor. Graphics on arm chips is one of the biggest reasons to stay on x86. Hobbyist/kickstarter projects using ARM chips usually hit a wall with graphics. The Dragonbox Pyra still has issues.

Windows, "Eh, that's just the way it goes. Computers, amirite? Just keep rebooting until it loads up normal."

This is the mentality I always saw with people who tried Linux from Windows or $1200 Macbook people who used a $400 Windows laptop. They grew up using Windows and don't understand you have to learn an OS.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Maybe I just jumped the gun on which distros to use on a chromebook. Thank you for the recommendations I had forgotten exist, guys.

 

[SphinxItOver]

None of this is simpler than Linux, it just basically obfuscates the complexity beyond of layers of "Access denied for your own safety", "Windows has encountered a problem", "Sorry for the bluescreen" and "Everything's fucked, just reinstall dude" kind of automated messages that just make you feel things are easier when they really aren't.

Yes Linux spewed a bunch of scary red dmesg error messages at me and didn't even know how to initialize the wlan chip by default but at least none of that was hidden from me and I had full access to all aspects I needed to fix the problem and also knew how to fix the problem because I learned to, because Linux never hid things from me in the interest of an corporation who profits if you don't know things. Took me all of an afternoon to get the tablet up and running complete with working touchscreen.

This is why I prefer Linux, and many will never use it.

A persons willingness to learn and assume control of their equipment, and the responsibility and time that comes with having said control, is why there will be no 'Year of Linux'. For users/consumers to do something in their long term best interest requires a certain level of IQ,the ability to abstract patterns, and a willingness to learn. These are not skills/qualities that a majority possesses nor does it benefit those that build 'structures' taking advantage of those that are lacking in those aspects.

The LTT debacle was entertaining for me, but it would have been better for their viewers in the long run had they decided to make it into a permanent series.