The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Seasoned News Reporter]

Never heard of endevour, I had heard of Antergos however (Which apparently endevour is the spiritual successor of). It has versions with window managers rather than desktop environments which I quite like but it has Arch as a base which I don't like.

I have honestly never used Icewm before but looking at its' documentation it seems pretty simple to config and it has a built-in panel. However given it's a floating window manager I probably wouldn't use it simply because I'm a slave to openbox. But hey, if you're looking to built a lightweight distro from scratch using a binary distro as a base knock yourself out.

As for why I believe Arch to be bloated it's simply because just like debian it's a binary distro with systemd and gnu utils pre-installed, which adds quite a bit to the resource usage in the background. I've legit never gotten an arch install with less than 128 MB of RAM usage, the least I've gotten is around 250 with dwm installed, which is quite bad in my eyes given I grew up with getto-tier hardware. Bear in mind that I don't hate Arch (I hate its' userbase though) and I don't hate other binary distros either, I use debian as a daily driver and I don't see a problem with that; ultimately the best distro is the one you make your own, bloat or not.

Hmm. I guess that's fair. I used to use manjaro before on my old rig because I could not get endeavour os to boot. I'm guessing an fx8370 & 750ti was too fucking old but that's also why I was using icewm because it was as lightweight as I could get at the time. Still use ice on my new because it's so damn good. I may have to take a look at the difference between systemd distros vs d-less distros since I've seen this topic come up quite a bit tbh.

 

[Anal Eclipse]

I am late but I got into Linux recently cuz I am fucking sick of windows. But also windows 10 oem on them laptops are fucking annoying too. So I decide to dual boot manjaro and win10 with the former as my daily and the latter in case if apps don't work on linux. I attempted arch linux as a beginner and of course it went fucking wrong cuz networking issues (who woulda thought...). I decided to put my ego aside and download Manjaro. Downloading it with xfce was a mistake since it didn't come with a network manager. Also my laptop is super new, Lenovo Ideapad 3 14, and that thin SOB doesn't have an ethernet port. Apparently downloading it with KDE Plasma fixed my networking issue. Now I am happy with a laptop that doesn't go crazy on power consumption, ram/cpu usage, bloatware, etc.

 

[Seasoned News Reporter]

I am late but I got into Linux recently cuz I am fucking sick of windows. But also windows 10 oem on them laptops are fucking annoying too. So I decide to dual boot manjaro and win10 with the former as my daily and the latter in case if apps don't work on linux. I attempted arch linux as a beginner and of course it went fucking wrong cuz networking issues (who woulda thought...). I decided to put my ego aside and download Manjaro. Downloading it with xfce was a mistake since it didn't come with a network manager. Also my laptop is super new, Lenovo Ideapad 3 14, and that thin SOB doesn't have an ethernet port. Apparently downloading it with KDE Plasma fixed my networking issue. Now I am happy with a laptop that doesn't go crazy on power consumption, ram/cpu usage, bloatware, etc.

XFCE should come with a network manager called "networkmanager." I should know since I used to use manjaro xfce. Unless something got borked with the iso you download. Still there's no point in trying to that problem since kde is working for you so congrats. Welcome to the other side fellow autist.

 

[Anal Eclipse]

XFCE should come with a network manager called "networkmanager." I should know since I used to use manjaro xfce. Unless something got borked with the iso you download. Still there's no point in trying to that problem since kde is working for you so congrats. Welcome to the other side fellow autist.

That is fucking weird. I downloaded the latest iso for xfce manjaro earlier and my dumbass couldn't find the network manager. I had my linux savvy friend help me and even he couldn't find it. Yup I am glad to join the autist linux community.

 

[AnOminous]

I am late but I got into Linux recently cuz I am fucking sick of windows. But also windows 10 oem on them laptops are fucking annoying too. So I decide to dual boot manjaro and win10 with the former as my daily and the latter in case if apps don't work on linux. I attempted arch linux as a beginner and of course it went fucking wrong cuz networking issues (who woulda thought...). I decided to put my ego aside and download Manjaro. Downloading it with xfce was a mistake since it didn't come with a network manager. Also my laptop is super new, Lenovo Ideapad 3 14, and that thin SOB doesn't have an ethernet port. Apparently downloading it with KDE Plasma fixed my networking issue. Now I am happy with a laptop that doesn't go crazy on power consumption, ram/cpu usage, bloatware, etc.

It's usually better to start with Windows first and install everything else afterwards. Windows has a bad habit of stomping on bootloaders or even outright gobbling up any disk space it doesn't understand, which is most filesystems you'd want to use in Linux.

 

[Anal Eclipse]

It's usually better to start with Windows first and install everything else afterwards. Windows has a bad habit of stomping on bootloaders or even outright gobbling up any disk space it doesn't understand, which is most filesystems you'd want to use in Linux.

I forgot to say but I did start with windows cuz my laptop came with windows 10 oem. Surprisingly I had no problems with GRUB.

 

[Dick Justice]

That's not because installing gentoo is that slow, it just emits eerie radiation that causes you to grow a gigantic neckbeard and start eating things you picked out of your toenails.

dumb. gentoo isn't even a GNU project

I am late but I got into Linux recently cuz I am fucking sick of windows. But also windows 10 oem on them laptops are fucking annoying too. So I decide to dual boot manjaro and win10 with the former as my daily and the latter in case if apps don't work on linux. I attempted arch linux as a beginner and of course it went fucking wrong cuz networking issues (who woulda thought...). I decided to put my ego aside and download Manjaro. Downloading it with xfce was a mistake since it didn't come with a network manager. Also my laptop is super new, Lenovo Ideapad 3 14, and that thin SOB doesn't have an ethernet port. Apparently downloading it with KDE Plasma fixed my networking issue. Now I am happy with a laptop that doesn't go crazy on power consumption, ram/cpu usage, bloatware, etc.

the way of dual-booting on the same physical drive is fraught with suffering, and it's only a matter of time before a windows update fucks your bootloader and who knows what else. switch to a vm for windows if you can or at least get one of those nifty programs that will do a not-system restore when windows inevitably fucks your shit up

 

[Anal Eclipse]

dumb. gentoo isn't even a GNU project

the way of dual-booting on the same physical drive is fraught with suffering, and it's only a matter of time before a windows update fucks your bootloader and who knows what else. switch to a vm for windows if you can or at least get one of those nifty programs that will do a not-system restore when windows inevitably fucks your shit up

Bruh wtf fucking windows man. Can I just not update windows or will it update by itself eventually?

 

[Seasoned News Reporter]

Bruh wtf fucking windows man. Can I just not update windows or will it update by itself eventually?

I have to second Dick Justice's post about the vm. I mean at some point windows will try to fucking analize your computer more than it already does but I digress. If you do ever decide to fuck with vm's don't hesitate to ask since there's a good amount of people here who can help. Fuck I do all my college assignments in a vm & keep a backup copy of the whole thing. Just two 60gb files which is probably more than windows actually needs but eh, I have the space.

 

[Anal Eclipse]

I have to second Dick Justice's post about the vm. I mean at some point windows will try to fucking analize your computer more than it already does but I digress. If you do ever decide to fuck with vm's don't hesitate to ask since there's a good amount of people here who can help. Fuck I do all my college assignments in a vm & keep a backup copy of the whole thing. Just two 60gb files which is probably more than windows actually needs but eh, I have the space.

I have experience with VMs. I used VirtualBox in my operating systems class and it was cool stuff. Fucking around with Debian and modifying the kernel system calls and such. Though I would prefer running natively on hardware instead of virtualized environment. That's just me.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Can I just not update windows or will it update by itself eventually?

You can use ShutUp10 (or your favorite tweaking tool) to disable all Windows updates, but I wouldn't bet on that being a silver bullet.
At any rate, you probably shouldn't disable all updates because you do want the security fixes.
Best is to run an LTSC version of Windows so you don't get all the "feature" updates, just the fixes.

 

[Dick Justice]

You can use ShutUp10 (or your favorite tweaking tool) to disable all Windows updates, but I wouldn't bet on that being a silver bullet.
At any rate, you probably shouldn't disable all updates because you do want the security fixes.
Best is to run an LTSC version of Windows so you don't get all the "feature" updates, just the fixes.

if you need a security fix you shouldn't be using windows for it
at least not windows with direct access to your hardware

 

[Seasoned News Reporter]

I have experience with VMs. I used VirtualBox in my operating systems class and it was cool stuff. Fucking around with Debian and modifying the kernel system calls and such. Though I would prefer running natively on hardware instead of virtualized environment. That's just me.

I barely touch virtual box not gonna lie. The ones I've messed with the most are vmware, gnome boxes & qemu with virtual machine manager. "Gnome boxes is fucking shit btw, do not recommend." I can stand by qemu with virt-manager though. Tons of customization, works fantastic. Solid 11/10 software.

 

[Anal Eclipse]

I barely touch virtual box not gonna lie. The ones I've messed with the most are vmware, gnome boxes & qemu with virtual machine manager. "Gnome boxes is fucking shit btw, do not recommend." I can stand by qemu with virt-manager though. Tons of customization, works fantastic. Solid 11/10 software.

Pretty neat info. My class had me use virtualbox because snapshots were free unlike vmware.

 

[AnOminous]

Bruh wtf fucking windows man. Can I just not update windows or will it update by itself eventually?

If it's 10 see if your system can upgrade to 11. If it can, check your motherboard's settings to see if there's anything you can disable to make it incompatible with 11. One crude but effective way to do this is just disable UEFI in favor of legacy/BIOS. This might cause issues with other modern OSes like MacOS but most Linux distros are going to cope fine with legacy stuff.

Since Windows 11 insists on UEFI, if you turn it off, it can't sneakily install itself as Microsoft are wont to do (if they cannot simply trick you into clicking yes on some dumb shit to get you to "agree" to install it). I think just disabling TPM, if you can, will also do the trick. But you want to see this if you boot up PC Health Check (you can install that from Microsoft):

Suck it! My motherboard has both of those and I've turned them off.

 

[Anal Eclipse]

If it's 10 see if your system can upgrade to 11. If it can, check your motherboard's settings to see if there's anything you can disable to make it incompatible with 11. One crude but effective way to do this is just disable UEFI in favor of legacy/BIOS. This might cause issues with other modern OSes like MacOS but most Linux distros are going to cope fine with legacy stuff.

Since Windows 11 insists on UEFI, if you turn it off, it can't sneakily install itself as Microsoft are wont to do (if they cannot simply trick you into clicking yes on some dumb shit to get you to "agree" to install it). I think just disabling TPM, if you can, will also do the trick. But you want to see this if you boot up PC Health Check (you can install that from Microsoft):
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Suck it! My motherboard has both of those and I've turned them off.

I actually turned off secure boot during my Manjaro installation. I'm pretty sure I can turn off TPM. Btw the laptop CPU is Ryzen 5 5500u so it can upgrade to windows 11.

 

[AnOminous]

I actually turned off secure boot during my Manjaro installation. I'm pretty sure I can turn off TPM. Btw the laptop CPU is Ryzen 5 5500u so it can upgrade to windows 11.

Also and I'll keep this really brief because it's very very marginally on-topic, get something like W10Privacy to disable the worst bullshit Microsoft perpetrates on you. Treat suggested upgrades with extreme skepticism and re-fortify afterwards. Wait until several days after an update that is not security to find out what it broke as people start bitching online.

 

[PFM]

So Kubuntu 20.04 LTS is coming to a close soon and I don't want to deal with their move to Snaps but I want to stay in the Debian ecosystem. Should I install the newest LTS and just disable anything Snap related or say fuck it and go with Debian and deal with their out-of-date software? Are there any other Debian based distros that put time into their KDE flavor?

I would make the jump to something like OpenSuse but don't want to settle in and find there's some package or something that I absolutely can't live without.

 

[Pushing Up Tiddies]

i3

Is it just me or does i3 use kind of a lot of memory?

1. Install Gentoo
2. eselect repository enable steam-overlay
3. emerge steam-meta

You forgot Step 2b: Rice your CFLAGS and USE.

Spoiler

Too bad steam is an absolutely proprietary binary blob, rather than something I can reeecompile.

the way of dual-booting on the same physical drive is fraught with suffering

Buy two disks.

 

[Ahriman]

I really need to learn more of these KDE shortcuts, they're really useful.