The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[byuu]

Totally not a clone...
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That's as different as KDE is different from Windows.
How is it a clone?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Totally not a clone...
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To be fair, they did put the date and time at the other end of the bar.

Oh no, a WIMP looks like another WIMP.

I mean sure, they're identical, as long as you ignore all the differences.

 

[Ahriman]

Let's settle this once and for all

 

[Dick Justice]

I've never understood the beef with appimages and flatpaks. Yeah, they're bloated and inefficient but you double click and 〜ＩＴ〜ＪＵＳＴ〜ＷＯＲＫＳ〜

 

[Admin Dissipate Swordfish]

I've never understood the beef with appimages and flatpaks. Yeah, they're bloated and inefficient but you double click and 〜ＩＴ〜ＪＵＳＴ〜ＷＯＲＫＳ〜

Is that what those really are? Im just reading through everyone's little spats and I dont know much about Docker mounting or flatpaks and such, but this sounds super interesting and convenient, coming from someone with absolutely no knowledge of working with Linux

 

[DavidS877]

double click

I think I'm beginning to understand the problem.

 

[Considered HARMful]

Is that what those really are? Im just reading through everyone's little spats and I dont know much about Docker mounting or flatpaks and such, but this sounds super interesting and convenient, coming from someone with absolutely no knowledge of working with Linux

Ever noticed how in the past ~15 years the computers didn't become faster, despite carrying more cores, RAM and whatnot?

 

[Knight of the Rope]

Ever noticed how in the past ~15 years the computers didn't become faster, despite carrying more cores, RAM and whatnot?

I noticed that Microsoft Excel is effectively the same program that it has been since (at least) 2006 and that computers have almost quadrupled in power since then, and yet Excel still slows to a fucking crawl if I have six or seven spreadsheets open at once and am copy-pasting between them.

I'm actually pissed off about this. What the fuck is Excel doing now that it wasn't a decade ago, that's somehow hogging all of the extra RAM that I now have available? Because I sure as fuck haven't noticed any new useful features.

 

[Admin Dissipate Swordfish]

Here's another question:

What are some cool fun stuff to do on Linux once I've chosen a distro to dabble in? I mostly accomplish all I need to do on my primary windows machine, but I dont wanna put the second gen i3 Linux machine I have to just doing office work and internet browsing. I wanna do some fun stuff on it.

As mentioned before, I'm completely new to this stuff--GUIs are my friend and the furthest I've gone with the CLI is running pre-set scripts for YT-DLG. Still, I'm willing to get my hands dirty and fiddle with stuff.

Off the top of my head, I'm thinking of a cheap NAS/Torrent box or some kind of auxiliary machine, but I'm down to hear what you folks have to recommend.

 

[nah]

If it's not in the package repository (or AUR) or one can't compile it themselves, is it really a program worth having?

Here's another question:

What are some cool fun stuff to do on Linux once I've chosen a distro to dabble in? I mostly accomplish all I need to do on my primary windows machine, but I dont wanna put the second gen i3 Linux machine I have to just doing office work and internet browsing. I wanna do some fun stuff on it.

As mentioned before, I'm completely new to this stuff--GUIs are my friend and the furthest I've gone with the CLI is running pre-set scripts for YT-DLG. Still, I'm willing to get my hands dirty and fiddle with stuff.

Off the top of my head, I'm thinking of a cheap NAS/Torrent box or some kind of auxiliary machine, but I'm down to hear what you folks have to recommend.

To start, I like to keep books as references so I will recommend picking up a copy of "How Linux Works" and "The Linux Command Line" from No Starch Press, especially since you're in the "Unknown Unknowns" category of *NIX knowledge. The sooner you can develop the habit of working with the command line, the happier you will be with Linux. There's a philosophy of every program's input and output is plaintext that most software follows.

As for your question, a local server is a very good project; you could set the laptop up on your intranet and then make batch jobs out of those YT-DLG scripts you mention. From there you can continue playing with packages that are in your distribution's repository and/or develop programming skills to write your own software. Working with software through your distribution's package manager will make you wonder how you ever put up with managing programs on your Windows box.

 

[Ahriman]

Cool shit.

 

[XMassAllYearRound]

Here's another question:

What are some cool fun stuff to do on Linux once I've chosen a distro to dabble in? I mostly accomplish all I need to do on my primary windows machine, but I dont wanna put the second gen i3 Linux machine I have to just doing office work and internet browsing. I wanna do some fun stuff on it.

As mentioned before, I'm completely new to this stuff--GUIs are my friend and the furthest I've gone with the CLI is running pre-set scripts for YT-DLG. Still, I'm willing to get my hands dirty and fiddle with stuff.

Off the top of my head, I'm thinking of a cheap NAS/Torrent box or some kind of auxiliary machine, but I'm down to hear what you folks have to recommend.

Here are some things from my bucket list that I never got around doing due to lack of time or resources that I believe can be pulled off with a second gen i3:

• Create a lightning node in order to earn some side pocket change
• Start a middle TOR relay
• Create an i2p hidden service
• Install a security appliance for network intrussion detection or a scanner for vulnerabilities and/or malware
• Re-install a Torrent client with all traffic filtered through TOR.

I also want to make a pihole-esque proxy that instead of blocking traffic intercepts telemetry from several places and spoofs the packets with new ones containing the word "nigger" before sending them on their merry way but I'm on the stage where I wonder if it's even doable.

Edit: Heads up, I had previously listed mining pkt cash here; I decided to give it a shot tonight and even though the coin is listed by Bittrex (Which is the sole reason why I originally listed it) I'm 80% sure this is one of these three: one of the most complex scams I've ever seen (If not THE most complex I've ever seen with anything crypto related), a project run by literal retards begging to be 51%'ed like Wownero or a front for illegal activities related to botnet hosting . Avoid at all costs.

 

[Account]

I've never understood the beef with appimages and flatpaks. Yeah, they're bloated and inefficient but you double click and 〜ＩＴ〜ＪＵＳＴ〜ＷＯＲＫＳ〜

The number one thing I love about Linux distributions is how program management and updates are unified by the package manager. I can type the update command, punch in the root password, and go take a piss while everything just werks (I have not had Void Linux break after an update in many years, even when I have not updated a computer for over a year). But all this other auxiliary shit (cargo, pip, and npm included) means I have more shit to keep track of and update and configure and worry about breakage.

AppImages are even worse because you update them by downloading another AppImage. If there is some critical security update to glibc, do I have to redownload all of these AppImages? It's like static linking but worse. (musl libc is better anyways)

A real Linux neckbeard packages his own software. It's not that arduous of a process for anything that isn't a Lovecraftian horror like Firefox.

 

[Boom Boss]

Ever noticed how in the past ~15 years the computers didn't become faster, despite carrying more cores, RAM and whatnot?

I noticed that Microsoft Excel is effectively the same program that it has been since (at least) 2006 and that computers have almost quadrupled in power since then, and yet Excel still slows to a fucking crawl if I have six or seven spreadsheets open at once and am copy-pasting between them.

I'm actually pissed off about this. What the fuck is Excel doing now that it wasn't a decade ago, that's somehow hogging all of the extra RAM that I now have available? Because I sure as fuck haven't noticed any new useful features.

Hardware has gotten so good that programs are now made without needing to cut out all the bloat.

Programmers needed to constantly trim their code to fit limited hardware. Everything had to fit on a tiny hard drive or a floppy disk. Not anymore.

 

[awoo]

Ever noticed how in the past ~15 years the computers didn't become faster, despite carrying more cores, RAM and whatnot?

Moore's Law is now in the realm of parallel processing. It is faster if you are doing graphics or highly parallel work with GPUs. Not so much with CPU performance.

 

[DavidS877]

Moore's Law is now in the realm of parallel processing. It is faster if you are doing graphics or highly parallel work with GPUs. Not so much with CPU performance.

I think the user experience(for 'normal' users and traditional apps) probably peaks around 4 cores. 1 for the app they're using, 1 for network and disk I/O, 1 for the UI/display/keyboard. And one for overhead.

I have a per core bar graph display and I really never see it doing much of anything these days unless I'm processing photos or something, then it's still not working hard until it's time to export them.

 

[Considered HARMful]

Hardware has gotten so good that programs are now made without needing to cut out all the bloat.

Thanks for admitting my point, I guess? Though I'd restate that as "developers" (because they're not programmers any more, oh no!) are too lazy (and/or too corporate) to actually, you know, write code anymore.

Nowadays the software is very rarely written. It's being "developed" and "integrated".

Moore's Law is now in the realm of parallel processing. It is faster if you are doing graphics or highly parallel work with GPUs. Not so much with CPU performance.

Thing is - very few problems scale well to parallel processing.

For the record - spawning a bunch of threads doing blocking I/O because the programmer is too lazy to make a state machine (and use select() (or poll(), or epoll(), or whatever) is not "parallel processing".

 

[SexMartyr]

I also want to make a pihole-esque proxy that instead of blocking traffic intercepts telemetry from several places and spoofs the packets with new ones containing the word "nigger" before sending them on their merry way but I'm on the stage where I wonder if it's even doable.

I've never used Pihole, but if this is possible, I'm doing it! Keep us updated.

 

[Instant_Pot_User]

Drama within elementary OS:​

Founder of the elementary OS project Cassidy Blaede has found a full time job because elementary employees took a 5% pay cut due to decreased revenue. Other founder and relatively recent troon Danielle Foré assumed Cassidy would fuck off the project with money and relinquish his shares. Cassidy said something along the lines of "yeah no, I'm keeping my ownership of elementary"; Dan and Cassidy argued (and aren't friends anymore), apparently Dan offered a 50/50 split of the company assets, Cassidy said "give me more money", they both lawyer'd up or something. All of this was relayed to the public via a tweet thread by Dan.

Cassidy remained businesslike in his tweets saying something along the lines of "there was a disagreement, I was told lawyers were getting involved, I'm advised to not go into detail, don't fuck with Dan."

Source: dude trust me lmao https://archive.ph/vNEY2 -- Lunduke's substack with twitter links
Original article: https://lunduke.substack.com/p/elementary-os-is-imploding

 

[XMassAllYearRound]

Drama within elementary OS:​

Founder of the elementary OS project Cassidy Blaede has found a full time job because elementary employees took a 5% pay cut due to decreased revenue. Other founder and relatively recent troon Danielle Foré assumed Cassidy would fuck off the project with money and relinquish his shares. Cassidy said something along the lines of "yeah no, I'm keeping my ownership of elementary"; Dan and Cassidy argued (and aren't friends anymore), apparently Dan offered a 50/50 split of the company assets, Cassidy said "give me more money", they both lawyer'd up or something. All of this was relayed to the public via a tweet thread by Dan.

Cassidy remained businesslike in his tweets saying something along the lines of "there was a disagreement, I was told lawyers were getting involved, I'm advised to not go into detail, don't fuck with Dan."

Source: dude trust me lmao https://archive.ph/vNEY2 -- Lunduke's substack with twitter links
Original article: https://lunduke.substack.com/p/elementary-os-is-imploding

I don't sympathize with either of them given their pronouns proudly displayed on their profiles but jesus man, Cassidy was asked to give full control of a company he helped co-found for 26,000 dollars while his ex-friend argued that he didn't deserve a share nor have any power in the decision making of said company because he wasn't getting any work done on an OS that has been overtaken by the competition (Zorin) and is no longer making any money. This is just a bad business deal and only a retard would agree to these terms.