The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[AmpleApricots]

Does anyone have any thoughts on musl on linux? Was thinking if I needed to shift from gentoo to openbsd since I got tired of crossdev compiling on pre-2008 laptop hardware. Was trying to pack in as many optimizations as I could.

musl is fine these days, not many downsides that matter. Of course, you more likely than not won't be able to run that random binary/proprietary game you got somewhere, but that's what chroots/bubblewrap jails are for. Harddrive space is cheap and plentiful, even in old devices.

Still dealing that /oldroot issue I talked about a few pages ago and it's driving me batty.

here's a nickel kid, go get yourself a systemd-free distribution. That thing is such a bloated, opaque nightmare, such bugs and unsolvable edge cases are to be expected and I doubt you'll find a satisfying solution. The only way is to get rid of it altogether. Learn what your computer does during booting and use a more sane init system and service manager. When shit breaks then you'll at least know how to fix it.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

here's a nickel kid, go get yourself a systemd-free distribution. That thing is such a bloated, opaque nightmare, such bugs and unsolvable edge cases are to be expected and I doubt you'll find a satisfying solution. The only way is to get rid of it altogether. Learn what your computer does during booting and use a more sane init system and service manager. When shit breaks then you'll at least know how to fix it.

Every time someone tells me this I'm reminded of a coworker that still drives a Cutlass because " He can fix it, unlike new cars" even though it's a piece of shit that he has to constantly beg people to give him jumpstarts.

Every distro I'm looking at that's systemd free looks jank as fuck. If systemd is the reason Linux can look like it was made this century, without me having to frankenstein some DE on it, then so be it.

 

[Fcret]

Does anyone have any thoughts on musl on linux? Was thinking if I needed to shift from gentoo to openbsd since I got tired of crossdev compiling on pre-2008 laptop hardware. Was trying to pack in as many optimizations as I could.

There's not really much to be gained from using it. In my experience, musl tends to consume fewer resources but it also runs slower overall. If you're just messing around with alternatives then it's fine but I wouldn't expect it to work miracles.

 

[Another Char Clone]

Every time someone tells me this I'm reminded of a coworker that still drives a Cutlass because " He can fix it, unlike new cars" even though it's a piece of shit that he has to constantly beg people to give him jumpstarts.

Every distro I'm looking at that's systemd free looks jank as fuck. If systemd is the reason Linux can look like it was made this century, without me having to frankenstein some DE on it, then so be it.

Problem is that it becomes a Cutlass that you can't fix yourself, and you still have to ask for a jumpstart.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Problem is that it becomes a Cutlass that you can't fix yourself, and you still have to ask for a jumpstart.

1 of my 2 issues ( long boot time) was such a simple fix that nobody even thought of it for some reason. Systemd literally told me what the problem was and I fixed it.

 

[Another Char Clone]

1 of my 2 issues ( long boot time) was such a simple fix that nobody even thought of it for some reason. Systemd literally told me what the problem was and I fixed it.

I never had that problem to begin with, since I exercise rigorous what gets started by default on my own systems. I encountered that bug where systemd shits itself when the RTC battery is dead though, it shit so hard the kernel log buffer gave up and decided to commit sepuku. I can't find the exact bug entry anymore, but it was marked as WONTFIX since systemd expects all hardware to be in working order before booting.

systemd, 10 years later: a historical and technical retrospective

blog.darknedgy.net

tldr: Lies, frustration and crushed dreams

 

[SphinxItOver]

here's a nickel kid, go get yourself a systemd-free distribution. That thing is such a bloated, opaque nightmare, such bugs and unsolvable edge cases are to be expected and I doubt you'll find a satisfying solution. The only way is to get rid of it altogether. Learn what your computer does during booting and use a more sane init system and service manager. When shit breaks then you'll at least know how to fix it.

Huh, this is a unique sort of mental pain you've delivered upon me today. Cursed Dilbert errors... OUCH

Still dealing that /oldroot issue I talked about a few pages ago and it's driving me batty.

What trouble shooting have you done for the issue so far? Difficult to assist when you ignore people asking questions trying to help because they didn't say it nice enough for you.

Well, for one, using Mint...
Just install Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Bunsenlabs, or OpenSuse.

But seriously;
UEFI or Legacy boot?
Installed with system totally offline, or with network cable plugged in?
NVME drive?

Don't know what I did but I fixed it.

So, what's your beef with Mint?

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

What trouble shooting have you done for the issue so far? Difficult to assist when you ignore people asking questions trying to help because they didn't say it nice enough for you.

Oh I'm not asking for direct assistance anymore, I'm just giving an update. My long boot time issue was so simple that nobody here even thought of the solution.

My oldroot issue seems to be specifically an issue that GRUB caused. I'll figure it out eventually, and I'll post the solution on here.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Every distro I'm looking at that's systemd free looks jank as fuck. If systemd is the reason Linux can look like it was made this century, without me having to frankenstein some DE on it, then so be it.

Since you can't be damned to actually use a search engine or your brain I've sanitized a list for your delicate eyes.
LMDE 2 (Linux Mint Debian Edition)
OpenBSD
Alpine Linux
Artix Linux
Gentoo Linux

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Since you can't be damned to actually use a search engine or your brain I've sanitized a list for your delicate eyes.
LMDE 2 (Linux Mint Debian Edition)

Not on Mint's list of supported versions, so I assume it's KIA

OpenBSD

lmao you can't be serious with this website.

Alpine Linux

The best one you've shown but it's still just some minimal distro that requires you to set it all up yourself

Artix Linux

I'm not going to install an afterthought

Gentoo Linux

The entire first page of youtube's search is terminal and memes, and the memes are entire based on how 'epic hacker' Gentoo is.

I don't know what you thought was so great about this list. Do you think I want to compile my own distro myself? Only 1 of the 5 you showed had any promise. If you think these are what good, modern distros should be then you're delusional.

 

[Aidan]

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lmao you can't be serious with this website.

Show some fucking respect, that's good web design.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Show some fucking respect, that's good web design.

The internet objectively peaked with Space Jam

 

[Another Char Clone]

I use gentoo, its alright, but I don't recommend it if you don't want to get deep into Linux. I am too spoiled by portage to ever use other dpkg/rpm distros anymore, particularly the USE flag controls.
It's pretty user friendly, but it is pretty picky with its friends. 12/10 would use it for my daily dev production systems.

 

[Heliantheae]

Since you can't be damned to actually use a search engine or your brain I've sanitized a list for your delicate eyes.
LMDE 2 (Linux Mint Debian Edition)
OpenBSD
Alpine Linux
Artix Linux
Gentoo Linux

FreeBSD (since we're including BSD now)
Obarun
Void Linux

Every distro I'm looking at that's systemd free looks jank as fuck. If systemd is the reason Linux can look like it was made this century, without me having to frankenstein some DE on it, then so be it.

There appears to be a hole where your brain is supposed to be; systemd has nothing to do with DE stability or "jank", unless perhaps if you're using Gnome but then you are the kind of mentally deficient that god himself can't help.

 

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Oh I'm not asking for direct assistance anymore, I'm just giving an update. My long boot time issue was so simple that nobody here even thought of the solution.

My oldroot issue seems to be specifically an issue that GRUB caused. I'll figure it out eventually, and I'll post the solution on here.

Nigga, if you were using Devuan with sysvinit you wouldn't need 'help from systemd' or to spend months wondering why something was wrong. If something was taking a long time, it would TELL YOU because the thing that was taking a long time would be the thing that wrote something to the screen before waiting a long time, and immediately after it finished sorting its shit out or timed out, literally the first time you had to wait a long time, you could go look at the problem and could actually fix it.

Of course, you probably wouldn't have some random stupid fucking hang, because you wouldn't have that fucking subhuman piece of shit Poettring's filth blocking your boot.

kill poettring
roast poettring's balls on a griddle to make poettring infertile

 

[teriyakiburns]

Every distro I'm looking at that's systemd free looks jank as fuck. If systemd is the reason Linux can look like it was made this century, without me having to frankenstein some DE on it, then so be it.

Most systemd-free distros are either personal projects, or under-resourced forks of distros that weren't previously infested. The reason systemd distros look good is because they were good before systemd. Some of the most popular distros are based on either fedora, debian, or ubuntu (which is itself a debian fork) and carry that good-before-systemd legacy from there. systemd is acting as a brake on distro innovation and maintainability at this point.

 

[1996 Toyota Camry]

lmao you can't be serious with this website.

Whats wrong with that website? Its not packed to the brim with shitloads of bullshit JS designed to appeal entirely to zoomers?

 

[Kosher Dill]

Most systemd-free distros are either personal projects, or under-resourced forks of distros that weren't previously infested.

Yeah, I like Devuan and use it as my distro of choice, but I'll be the first to say that it's absolutely an "under-resourced fork", and if you use systemd-free distros you are necessarily poking at least one toe (perhaps several) over the "Linux Schizo" line.

 

[byuu]

The most noob-friendly and most corporate distro ChromeOS is actually systemd-free and partially based on gentoo.

 

[AnOminous]

I encountered that bug where systemd shits itself when the RTC battery is dead though, it shit so hard the kernel log buffer gave up and decided to commit sepuku.

Why should it even care about that in >current year?

This is the sort of goofy systemd thing that always happens. If that fails it should just ignore it and connect to an ntp server once it comes up like every other thing in existence.