The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

The Pulverizer said:
You realize you can read the source code... right? You'd have to be very stupid to put malware in open source software.
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Have you read it?

It's not even just the security implications. On a distro like Debian, components are there because they are known to work together, at least on stable. If you get into the habit of downloading "custom" drivers with extra features who knows what could happen compatibility-wise? I've been down the road of custom packages before and it's a real pain to try to work out what's causing aptitude to no longer upgrade. It just seems more trouble than it's worth to me.
 
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Friendly Primarina said:
> installing hardware drivers from some random github instead of the repository

This made me shrink from my monitor
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A lot of software developers are making github the source repository for their most recent work, with any secondary site just being a mirror of what you can find on github.

That being said, has anyone used openHAB? I got it set up as it will do random things i need, but it's a smidge complicated to configure
 
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Friendly Primarina said:
If you get into the habit of downloading "custom" drivers with extra features who knows what could happen compatibility-wise?
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You can always undo the changes by reinstalling your drivers and making a new NVIDIA config. This should take about a minute depending on your download speed.
Friendly Primarina said:
I've been down the road of custom packages before and it's a real pain to try to work out what's causing aptitude to no longer upgrade. It just seems more trouble than it's worth to me.
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You can easily fuck it up if you're not careful. At the end of the day working with software developed by independent people will always be infinitely better than the extremely curated and limiting proprietary nightmare of Windows and Mac. Maybe not for people that have the technological literacy of an elderly person.
 
Friendly Primarina said:
Have you read it?

It's not even just the security implications. On a distro like Debian, components are there because they are known to work together, at least on stable. If you get into the habit of downloading "custom" drivers with extra features who knows what could happen compatibility-wise? I've been down the road of custom packages before and it's a real pain to try to work out what's causing aptitude to no longer upgrade. It just seems more trouble than it's worth to me.
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On Arch you tend to get latest and "greatest" with packages. Which means shit breaks, especially with nvidia. Recently with my laptop I was suck on 520.56.06 until some 535 release fixed it, because they messed up VRR which made my external monitor freeze and I also had to keep LTS kernel because 520 wouldn't compile kernel modules past linux 6.2 or so if I recall correctly.
Say there's a new goyslop game you want to run, but it requires latest beta package, sure there's nvidia-beta PKGBUILD but tkg script is more convenient.
I don't play latest slop so it's just an example.
This repo lets you install any version of nvidia, which will build a package for you. Useful if you need a particular version of the driver.

And yes, I read that script out of curiousity. It doesn't do much, just a convenience plus patches to make older versions run on new kernels.

As for Wayland spergs, I'm sure it works well for you on AMD or Intel. Here it can't even drive two screens at native refresh rate Add hybrid GPU to the mix and it's "fun".
Haven't had X crash in years but crash a Wayland compositor and whole session shits itself. I've seen kwin devs work on recovery solution, but ir will take some time until it is released.
Xorg will live on for another twenty years, in one form or another. it just works, unless you've got one of them fancy OLED HDR screens.
HDR 400 marketing scam doesn't count as HDR, sorry

The Pulverizer said:
You can easily fuck it up if you're not careful. At the end of the day working with software developed by independent people will always be infinitely better than the extremely curated and limiting proprietary nightmare of Windows and Mac. Maybe not for people that have the technological literacy of an elderly person.
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Normies should stay the fuck away from linux, they will pozz it like they did windows. Though vidya just working thanks to push from Valve is nice.
 
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The Pulverizer said:
Maybe not for people that have the technological literacy of an elderly person.
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jeff7989 said:
Normies should stay the fuck away from linux,
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On a "stable" distro, the elderly are just as safe as experts. Because once they get a younger relative to install it for them, they are too terrified to touch anything except the very basic stuff said younger relative showed them how to use. It's people with just enough knowledge of computers to do more than basic things that are most at risk of messing up their install.

It's my understanding (I was too young at the time) that the MS-DOS days were the same way. "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing," as they say.
 
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jeff7989 said:
And yes, I read that script out of curiousity. It doesn't do much, just a convenience plus patches to make older versions run on new kernels.
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It makes all the difference because your distro will likely not offer the best version of NVIDIA's shitty drivers. I noticed a massive improvement in video performance after finding it.
 
Friendly Primarina said:
Does Lutris have any ability to enable esync? Is it enabled by default? It can make a difference if not.
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I looked it up and saw that it did, so I'll try to figure that out later. Also saw something for DXVK which I thought was default but whatever. I just wanted to make sure that Mint was valid for me in the future and it is.

jeff7989 said:
Normies should stay the fuck away from linux, they will pozz it like they did windows.
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To be fair, it wasn't the normies that ruined windows. Most boomers just want Win7 and zoomers don't really give a shit about desktop computers.
 
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The Pulverizer said:
Windows hasn't been good since DOS. GNU schizos were always right about the slippery slope of proprietary slope.
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And it took those schizos until now to make a OS worth moving to, and that's only because their copycat tools (Wine/Proton) got good enough.

I won't debate the actions of something that I wasn't even born for. All I can say is that for every kid that makes a gaming PC, a boomer and a zoomer gets a tablet. That scares the shit out of them and they've been floundering for market share since Windows 8.

Regardless of my thoughts on Linux, it's only gaining ground because MS is shitting itself. I keep saying it, but everyone just wants Win7, and Cinnamon is the closest thing to it still in service.
 
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Dr. Geronimo said:
Regardless of my thoughts on Linux, it's only gaining ground because MS is shitting itself. I keep saying it, but everyone just wants Win7, and Cinnamon is the closest thing to it still in service
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Honestly Cinnamon distros are probably the best to recommend to new users. If you could buy computers with Linux Mint pre-installed Linux would be a lot more popular
 
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In my opinion PopOS is the best noob friendly distro on the market right now, it has nvidia drivers in live image. Plus you get recovery partition for refreshing if user fucks up, or update breaks things. I installed it on few family computers and got zero complaints so far.
Now granted, there is a trans person working on a Wayland compositor, but you can't escape that I guess.

In Wayland lunacy news, pcsx2 devs disabled native wayland by default, because they had enough of user complaints over lack of ability to set relative window position, among other things.
Go read wayland protocol merge requests if you want to lose faith in humanity. Years of arguing, which can end with gnome devs vetoing the proposal because of muh security, or simply refusing to implement any of it.
 
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Honestly if you want X11 to be more popular you should try to work improving its benefits. Like, X11 allows the display to be on a different computer then the application. If you could expand on that you could have setups like having a massive supercomputer running intensive apps that get used on basic computers. You could run Blender or maybe even games on your more powerful server then use thos apps from any device with the X11 windowing software installed.

And Wayland does have dramatic improvements, but it's clear it has severe gaps that need to be addressed.
 
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Betonhaus said:
Honestly if you want X11 to be more popular you should try to work improving its benefits. Like, X11 allows the display to be on a different computer then the application. If you could expand on that you could have setups like having a massive supercomputer running intensive apps that get used on basic computers. You could run Blender or maybe even games on your more powerful server then use thos apps from any device with the X11 windowing software installed.

And Wayland does have dramatic improvements, but it's clear it has severe gaps that need to be addressed.
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An ideal solution in my opinion would be some kind of generic server for all forms of input, audio, and video that can be piped wherever it needs to be, usually into speakers, out of peripherals, and onto screens. That way you could set up whatever architecture you need, at the cost of lots of implementation complexity.
 
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