The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[WTBOnlineFather]

I distinctly recall UNIX certification being a minor marketing point for OSX up to and including the 10.6 Snow Leopard days. You certainly won't find the MacOS page on the Apple website mentioning Unix certification anymore

Lmao I distinctly recall applebs bragging about the cert in reddit shitflinging contests against linuxfags because "MacOS is the real UNIX torchbearer unlike linux, look here, we have the branding" as if it fucking mattered in the soy-ftware theme park that is the apple walled garden.

 

[Latex Catmaid]

Yes it is. It's just unfamiliar to normies. Being unfamiliar doesn't mean not being straightforward. If you take someone who's never had a PC, they won't care if you sit them in front of Linux for Niggers (Mint, Opensuse) or Windows, it won't make any difference. Linux has the added advantage of being free and not pushing ads in your face or trying to sell you Xbox Live, Edge, MS Office or any other stupid shit.

What I meant is with android you can pull it out download an app from the playstore and use it right away, or take calls. There's no setting up or anything. With mac you can likewise download apps from the app store and be done with it. They both come pre-built too, windows often comes pre-built, but normies are encouraged to build it on their own and buy a windows boot cd/dvd with a license key. Linux is worse in that regard since you always have to install it and it's not made easier with microsoft sabotaging the process. There are a few companies selling pre-built linux computers, but they are so few and not well-known among normies.
Installling software on windows was a bitch until 10 since you had to pop internet explorer and download it from a remote website. Linux mostly eliminates this problem like mac/android, but if you can't find the software in jammy, flatpak, launchpad or snap, you'll have no choice, but to add it as a ppa, which is worse because the normie has to open the terminal which is very scary to them and on the off-chance they don't have to the website for the software will tell them to do it anyway because it assumes the user knows how to use linux.

Besides it's clown mentality to believe folks are willingly wanting to be slaves cause you compare their preferences to prisoners who wanna stay in jail or american slaves wanting to be slaves. The only other reasonable explanation is the fear of change, normies are scared of trying something new, but they ain't scared of 'freedom' unlike what this moron magnet is saying.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

what I meant is with android you can pull it out download an app from the playstore and use it right after, or take calls, or do anything really.

Linux is like this. There are autistic distros that require 3 days' worth of installing just to get basic functionality but there are distros that are up and running in 5 clicks and 15 minutes, come with all common software you'd expect from a PC, and work just fine out of the box.

but if you can't find the software in jammy, flatpak, launchpad or snap, you'll have no choice, but to add it as a ppa, which is worse because the normie has to open the terminal which is very scary to them and on the off-chance they don't have to the website of the software will tell them to do it anyway because it assumes the user knows how to use linux.

Any software that you'd need to add a custom repo for is obscure enough that on windows you'd have to manually download and install it anyway. I fail to see how the linux way is worse. Downloading .exe installer files from arbitrary websites is just a different paradigm than modifying your repo list to access the package from your package manager. Neither is more complicated than the other. You're making an assumption here that the user will find downloading an installer easier because they're familiar with it, but my point is that if you take away this assumed familiarity, it really isn't.

Besides it's clown mentality to believe folks are willingly wanting to be slaves cause you compare their preferences to prisoners who wanna stay in jail or american slaves wanting to be slaves. The only other reasonable explanation is the fear of change, normies are scared of trying something new, but they ain't scared of 'freedom' unlike what this moron magnet is saying.

This is irrelevant to my argument but I'll humor you anyway, when "change" and "freedom" become one and the same, logically people will feel apprehensive about freedom because no one likes change. That's the point of his video. MO's channel caters to tech luddites, autists and privacy enthusiasts (big overlap between these three groups) so naturally he assumes the viewer is willing to put up with some adversity.

 

[Latex Catmaid]

Linux is like this. There are autistic distros that require 3 days' worth of installing just to get basic functionality but there are distros that are up and running in 5 clicks and 15 minutes, come with all common software you'd expect from a PC, and work just fine out of the box.

Good thing you disingenuously skipped over

Linux mostly eliminates this problem like mac/android

in my comment. I was just trying to clear things up. That paragraph does nothing to counter my point which is why you have quoted me twice and wrote a second paragraph:

Any software that you'd need to add a custom repo for is obscure enough that on windows you'd have to manually download and install it anyway. I fail to see how the linux way is worse. Downloading .exe installer files from arbitrary websites is just a different paradigm than modifying your repo list to access the package from your package manager. Neither is more complicated than the other. You're making an assumption here that the user will find downloading an installer easier because they're familiar with it, but my point is that if you take away this assumed familiarity, it really isn't.

You do not know. Waterfox ain't that obscure, but it's not on anything in base ubuntu. Brave for the longest time could only be installed through its ppa.
Again, disingenuously jumping over what I said

which is worse because the normie has to open the terminal which is very scary to them

and in case you miss the follow-up sentence since I know you're gonna say something about that:

and on the off-chance they don't have to the website for the software will tell them to do it anyway because it assumes the user knows how to use linux.

On this thread alone there are folks mad theyre told to use the terminal
That makes downloading a potentially infected exe file easier for the normie because that takes less intelligence.

Instlling the package on windows is usually just click accept repeatedly until the end, also brain dead simple, but I said nothing about that, if youre stupid enough to instal packages on linux directly instead of using apt or somthing like "discover" I worry for you, it ain't any more difficult than windows, but you shouldnt do that.

 

[GNU Hurder]

I might be talking out my ass with hazy recollections here, but I distinctly recall UNIX certification being a minor marketing point for OSX up to and including the 10.6 Snow Leopard days. You certainly won't find the MacOS page on the Apple website mentioning Unix certification anymore

MacOS 14 for both Intel and Apple are still listed on the register of UNIX Certified Products.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Good thing you disingenuously skipped over [snip] in my comment. I was just trying to clear things up. That paragraph does nothing to counter my point which is why you have quoted me twice and wrote a second paragraph:

Chill out I'm not trying to deboonk every single word you're saying to achieve some sort of great Internet victory here. I'm just having a conversation.
Yes it's a shame that there are almost no prebuilts on sale with linux preinstalled. As a result normies don't get railroaded into the desktop linux sphere and its market share remains low. I like to focus on the silver lining here, people aren't forced to use it unless they feel ready to switch on their own and/or unless a tech savvy friend/relative helps them set it up so that the system just works for their intended purposes without problems. There's no single best distro after all, it's all a matter of personal preference.

Waterfox ain't that obscure, but it's not on snap.

My nigga you're talking about privacy-focused alt browsers. I can guarantee you that the number of people currently alive who really really need to use Waterfox and are also deathly afraid of opening the terminal to copy and paste in one or two pre-provided commands from the source website to install it is exactly 0. Brave is a lot more popular but again, people who use Brave typically use it because they ran from Firefox because it's pozzed or because they're very enthusiastic about blocking ads. Both of these groups necessarily have some basic level of tech savvy which is sufficient to follow 2 or 3 steps of simple instructions.

if youre stupid enough to instal packages on linux directly instead of using apt or somthing like "discover" I worry for you, it ain't any more difficult than windows, but you shouldnt do that.

I said nothing about this either because as you pointed out it's a fucking retarded thing to do.

 

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Yes it's a shame that there are almost no prebuilts on sale with linux preinstalled. As a result normies don't get railroaded into the desktop linux sphere and its market share remains low.

Um AKTUALLY ChromeOS has >11% global market share. And unlike shitty Poettringware like Red Hat and Arch Linux, it uses a proper non-systemd init system. let's just agree not to talk about the unfortunate adoption of Wayland

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Um AKTUALLY ChromeOS has >11% global market share. And unlike shitty Poettringware like Red Hat and Arch Linux, it uses a proper non-systemd init system. let's just agree not to talk about the unfortunate adoption of Wayland

I'd sooner take systemd over jewgle (although reluctantly)

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I mean, with that android reference. On mint. Its literally the same as using the playstore. You have the software center. People arent even unfamiliar with the idea, its literally just as easy. If not easier to run linux mint, as it is to have a windows or apple pc.

Also, someone can be trolling with how they say something, and not be wrong.

I don't think liquid chris was wrong when he tried getting chris to do healthy things with his life. While he was trolling. I do think he probably wanted to piss people off with his framing of the video. But, you are wrong if you think linux is something the average person can't do. And it definitely wouldn't be any more work than normal for them.

They don't move to linux because of their mentality. The laziness is almost what he is saying. Windows takes care of them. They don't need to think about any of this stuff. They get a computer, it has windows. They use it. They never think about it further, until something goes wrong. Or they want to do something more complicated (if they do at all).

 

[Rust Troony]

Speaking of Linux for Niggers, has anyone given thought to making an official Kiwi Farms distro, and which software to use for maximum disavowal?

The issue with doing that is the scale of an entire distro, we would probably only have like 3-4 people maintaining thousands of packages unless we base off another project. Currently the best "non-pozzed" linux setup I can think of right now is:

Artix as the OS with whatever init system you feel to use, i don't think there's any real winner there politics wise, just personal preference.

Hyprland or DWM whether you care about wayland or not, im not sure if there are any non tiling wm that have not been tainted yet.

Brave as the browser.

 

[The Anarki Main]

(snip)

There are plenty of distributions that offer the same plug-and-play, sure there are caveats. But the only major difference is that Linux has a reputation for being spooky and Android / Windows doesn't, at least not in the same way. Most normies see a computer as just a very simple tool like their microwave or their gardening hose and do not understand or care what goes into it, think nothing can be done about it, or otherwise are waiting for a company to come along and fix it for them.

Learning how to install packages from the terminal really isn't a huge deal. In the worst case, it's slightly faster than the browser. In the best case, you get everything you need instantly assuming you know exactly what you are looking for. They can be more complicated due to their enforcement of signing, good dependencies etc. but any problems will be insanely minor and can be fixed in a minute. CLI package managers are only a turn-off because learning isn't cool anymore and has not been a necessary component to using a computer for 20 or so years. Again: microwave, garden hose. Those things don't change. People dont like change.

The Linux desktop does have it's issues, not helped in part by all the fags pushing Gayland onto people and the soyness of modern GNOME and KDE. But they are relatively minor. We've just run into a wall as a result of one product having an absurd marketshare without a check-in from the government. We gave up fighting Microsoft after the first browser war.

If we want more people to use Linux, our best course of action would be to attack Microsoft's OEM contracting strategy, either by getting Redhat/Canonical/Valve/Mozilla/fucking whoever to offer them a good enough deal, or more likely we will have to start another antitrust case.

 

[Latex Catmaid]

I mean, with that android reference. On mint. Its literally the same as using the playstore. You have the software center. People arent even unfamiliar with the idea, its literally just as easy. If not easier to run linux mint, as it is to have a windows or apple pc.

Even the most used distros like ubuntu only have a hundreth of the amount of apps available on the play store and app store. The play store has quite literally everything, Mint doesn't, and what happens when you are in a situation where mint is missing out on something you're looking for?
It goes 3 ways: 1. the ppa, 2. you're lucky enough a separate app store (like launchpad) has the thing you're looking for, but you gotta install it first or 3. It just doesn't exist and that too can go 3 different ways: 1. You must ccompile from source. 2. It must be installed from inside a zip, a tarball or a package like deb. 3. Well fuck you and hope for a good alternative (gotta love adobe)

Comparing mint to android is like comparing night and day. A normie will be way more comfortable on android and mac than linux because they know they have everything they could ever need without putting in any effort and unlike windows android and mac don't risk getting infected by malware even if it exists.

Also, someone can be trolling with how they say something, and not be wrong.

I don't think liquid chris was wrong when he tried getting chris to do healthy things with his life. While he was trolling. I do think he probably wanted to piss people off with his framing of the video.

If you gotta be sarcastic or ironic when making your arguments then that speaks badly of your character and you can't be trusted. It ain't even a good comparison cause that troll was riling up chris to get him to do something, does that video achieve something to that level? No.

But, you are wrong if you think linux is something the average person can't do. And it definitely wouldn't be any more work than normal for them.

You say that because you are familiar with the operating system as much as I am. Maybe more, maybe less. In terms of ease of use it is like night and day. Anybody even old geezers can pick up and use an android phone, with linux you need the most basic knowledge of computers and some dedication.

Further proving you wrong, something I noticed from the brave gamers who run wine on their linux will sometimes get odd crashes that they gotta fix themselves and they come complaining on the steam forums. Maybe proton will end that problem forever, but it's not there yet. That ain't a W for windows either because it has this problem too, but it's not as common and oftentimes solved much fater thanks to support. Homogeneity in hardware and software on android and mac on the other hand ensures it never happens.

They don't move to linux because of their mentality. The laziness is almost what he is saying. Windows takes care of them. They don't need to think about any of this stuff. They get a computer, it has windows. They use it. They never think about it further, until something goes wrong. Or they want to do something more complicated (if they do at all).

A bunch of normies have modded their windows extensively. They used custom skins, changed their mouse cursor and more. Very recently they modded out the forced sign up prompt from windows 11. They are absolutely gonna get their hands dirty when they need to, but like everything in life there's a limit to how dirty somebody wanna get their hands. They would love the freedom linux offers. This is why t's a bad hot take cause it's wrong


For fuck's sake, you'd think consoles would die out because they have no games and are worse than windows, guess what they won't because playing on a console is infinitely easier to normies than a computer.

If we want more people to use Linux, our best course of action would be to attack Microsoft's OEM contracting strategy, either by getting Redhat/Canonical/Valve/Mozilla/fucking whoever to offer them a good enough deal, or more likely we will have to start another antitrust case.

Makes sense given how predatory microsoft is getting

Monopoly laws will come to bite them like it did apple's

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

How to run obsolete shitware on Linux? I was trying to get ePSXe to run on ancient machine to do some Windows vs Linux performance comparisons but reading the requirements nearly gave me an aneurysm

Why do modern PS1 emulators even need SSE2 to work? I was not able to install any of them in Gentoo

 

[DavidS877]

Even the most used distros like ubuntu only have a hundreth of the amount of apps available on the play store and app store. The play store has quite literally everything,

90%+ of the "apps" on the App Store are just friendly wrappers around websites.
Mint(and every other Linux) has this thing called a "Web Browser" where we can go to a site without an electron app.

 

[Latex Catmaid]

How to run obsolete shitware on Linux? I was trying to get ePSXe to run on ancient machine to do some Windows vs Linux performance comparisons but reading the requirements nearly gave me an aneurysm
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Why do modern PS1 emulators even need SSE2 to work? I was not able to install any of them in Gentoo

That was what I was talking about earlier by "not straightforward".
I'm assuming you tried doing

apt-get --fix-missing

or whatever's gentoo's equivalent
and it didn't work .

 

[unhealing wound]

Why do modern PS1 emulators even need SSE2 to work?

Running modern Linux on a CPU older than a Pentium 4 sounds like torture enough as is

 

[Squishie PP]

They did. They call it Rust and the Code of Conduct. Indirect, but it will achieve everything they wanted to achieve, eventually.

Trannies are using Rust as a means of Continuity of Governance. They know that everyone is going to get tired of their bullshit eventually, so they are embedding themselves in the world's IT infrastructure in order to hold it hostage.

 

[Betonhaus]

That was what I was talking about earlier by "not straightforward".
I'm assuming you tried doing

apt-get --fix-missing

or whatever's gentoo's equivalent
and it didn't work .

To be fair, try running ePSXe on Windows 95 and see what happens.

 

[GNU Abyss]

TBF i personally don't think anyone NEEDS to use linux for almost anything. I am definitely someone that falls into the, uses linux for ideological reasons camp. I do also really like the insane flexibility of it, how you can either choose something where you need to put in zero effort and have someone do the work for you like vanillaos, to cinammon, or you want a bit more control with stuff like arch, or want to do everything yourself and even build your stuff from source like gentoo, and even that is just the beginning of choices you can have if you want to make them.

It's just preference. I don't think an avid Tesla driver is going to appreciate your reasons for driving a 90s Toyota Corolla that you can work on by yourself in your garage, so evangelism is useless.

Installling software on windows was a bitch until 10 since you had to pop internet explorer and download it from a remote website. Linux mostly eliminates this problem like mac/android, but if you can't find the software in jammy, flatpak, launchpad or snap, you'll have no choice, but to add it as a ppa, which is worse because the normie has to open the terminal which is very scary to them and on the off-chance they don't have to the website for the software will tell them to do it anyway because it assumes the user knows how to use linux.

I think you're overselling how hard it was to install software on Windows. Before Microsoft's official program repositories you had Chocolatey and others, before that you had curated forum threads of best software in different categories. I assume you still read reviews and opinions on a program before installing it anywhere, so nothing's really changed.

Instlling the package on windows is usually just click accept repeatedly until the end, also brain dead simple, but I said nothing about that, if youre stupid enough to instal packages on linux directly instead of using apt or somthing like "discover" I worry for you, it ain't any more difficult than windows, but you shouldnt do that.

The recent xz backdoor was caught by random chance, I'd say your trust in official Linux repositories is way too high. Maintainers only look for breakages and run a test suite most of the time. If the original author goes insane or something malicious gets added by a contributor/hijacker, it's a 50/50 whether it'll get spotted by the distro you're using. Trusting well-established authors and old, mostly done software has a better track record.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

Running modern Linux on a CPU older than a Pentium 4 sounds like torture enough as is

It was a Barton core Athlon XP, they released nearly 3 years after the P4 and had no SSE2 support. The few programs I was able to get working actually ran pretty smooth